Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects, Environment, etc part III

I just hope the politicians really are not gambling our planet...

Oh well, global warming has reared it's head again. Which countries government
agency is promoting this all over again? One suspects it's all been bought
back on the agender again because someone wants to use global warming as
a source for more green tax's. Extra Tax's required to prop up falling revenues
throughout the whole of the civilised world at the moment. Strange thing is that
fuel consumption has been going down due to the current depression, down 7% in the
UK, yet global CO2 emissions is still rising so where has this increase come from?
If this rise in Co2 it attributable to both China's and India's increased growth
hence increased emissions then extra green tax's applied by the western nations
will just prejudice any chance of growth in their own economies. Another oddity
is that global warming was supposed to give the southern parts of the UK
continental summers, so we were told back around 2001. Yet to date we have
experienced about two respectable summers this past 12 years, both prior to
2007. 2007 and onward's we have experienced wet summers of which three have
been very wet including this current one. Clearly in the science of global
warming we have yet to discover any scientist who can be classed, yet, as an expert
in this field. For those who fear that our planet is going to be destroyed
by man-made global warming then don't expect your government to support your
cause to protect the planet...they are doing next to nothing to stop it.
You have to ask your selves why? Is it that they genuinely don't believe in
it all?

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

the government is being tied in knots by the high dollar interests in maintaining our fossil fuel addictions, rather than moving forward.. where it might not be their pockets that make some money.

So the lobbyists and the teapublican sabotage do their work to sidetrack, PR wars, and general poo pooing by the uninformed.

Global warming has not gone away, it was briefly shouted down and distracted from for a bit.

It does not come and go at your convenience.. people simply ignore it because they do not like it.


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Janice

So I say again : What would you specifically propose that we do ?

While you are at it:

What will your proposal cost
How would you convince others that your climate science is correct and that human activity is the culprit.
Which countries would have to execute your plan
Where are the resources to carry out your proposal
How long will it take to carry out your plan
What will be the effect on the economies of those countries that do what you say.


Railing against politicians or worrying that the sky is falling will not stop CO-2 increases nor global warming if it is in fact occurring.



Let me get you started.

to replace 100 million cars in the United states with pure electrics would cost 4 trillion dollars.
To stop burning fossil fuels just for electricity production in the United Stats would require 1000 nuclear reactors in the US at a cost of another two trillion dollars and take 10-20 years. To replace oil and gas fired home and industrial heating systems in the US would cost at a minimum of another half trillion dollars.

My electric bill during the hottest and coldest months of the year would top $2000 per month if nuclear were to replace coal entirely. Almost as much as my fellow Tennessean, Al Gore, is paying now !!

My numbers are rough estimates but you cannot deny that the cost of a change of this magnitude is out of the question in today's or any other day's economy.



Another good rant by Daddio

We have been through specifics many times in many threads. The cheapest energy source to add to the grid by FAR is wind. Stop paying the military to defend international fossil fuel reserves that when we get done with we still have no right to. Allow oil to ascend in price to 2-3 times todays prices and ta da,
all of the alternative energy sources become cost competitive. If we have government incentives to build the infrastructure, we have millions of additional jobs to the economy, and suddenly we could be once again become a leading nation economically as well as environmentally.

The cradle to grave philosophy we applied to asbestos could be extended to all the hydrocarbons. Put the cost back on the producers of these vial products until they are economically unviable, which they would be today if it was not for government subsidies, let alone the global damage that is being done by spillage.

Keep the windmills and solar panels going up. Tidal and wave energy can also be harnessed.

Once again, 100 miles square (think old nuke test sites in nevada as great candidates) of solar can produce more energy per year than the entire electric needs currently.

How do you start a 1,000 mile walk? Put one foot in front of the other. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.


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Janice

Allow oil to ascend in price to 2-3 times todays prices and ta da,
all of the alternative energy sources become cost competitive

Allow oil to ascend in price to 2-3 times todays prices and ta da,
all of the alternative energy sources become cost competitive

Keep the windmills and solar panels going up. Tidal and wave energy can also be harnessed.

There is a backlash in the UK to onshore and offshore wind farms. The NIMBYS are in full cry.

The only real answer is to reduce the population of the earth. Single payer health care using the QALY model for distribution of services is a step in the right direction. If we *really* want to save the planet... well, I don't think some of you are ready for the real answer... (Hint: Mao Ze-Dong, Hitler, Leopold II, Stalin, Hideki Tojo, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung (just to name a few...))