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cliff Send message Joined: 16 Dec 07 Posts: 625 Credit: 3,590,440 RAC: 0 |
Children and knives: I carried a knife damm nearly all the time from the age of about seven[ish] AFAIKR never threatened anyone with it, never saw the need to. In my day kids carried 'pen' knives as a matter of course, used for whittling wood, making catapults etc. Whats changed isnt so much the carrying of knives, its the willingness to use them to harm others. And that the carrying of a knife now they are illegal is seen as some sort of street credibility gaining endevour. Add to that the plain and simple fact that the law is an ass [regarding knives] its virtually impossible to police.Much like enforcing cycle regulations when cyclists arent required to have number plates on their bikes.. Jump a red light, cut across lanes, cycle on the pavement.. Even when caught on CCTV its too difficult to ID the culprits.. Especially wearing helmets and smog/dust masks etc.. Like the wearing of hoodies by those carrying and using knives in an antisocial manner. I've had my share of dust up's:-) Have holes in my hide from blade, bullet and blast fragments, and have used guns, knives and other deadly weapons on a daily basis.. But never saw the need to threaten anyone or use a knife to harm anyone as a kid.. That came later as an adult.. In the Armed Forces. Cheers, Cliff, Been there, Done that, Still no damm T shirt! |
cliff Send message Joined: 16 Dec 07 Posts: 625 Credit: 3,590,440 RAC: 0 |
Cant say for sure as to the cause, but I suspect the decline in moral standards in the general populace may have some bearing[?sp]. People tend to forget that for many millenia the ordinary populace of what is now the United Kingdom carried weapons of some sort, mainly bladed as a matter of course. Its only since we became 'civilised' or more likely over civilised that those weapons have become taboo. As I recall another 'civilised' society had similar problems, when it was in decline, although it tended to be the 'upper' crust that roamed about with gangs of thugs terrorising others.. Rome in decline had more than slavery and corruption dragging it down. Regards, Cliff, Been there, Done that, Still no damm T shirt! |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
U.S. Math Education reform is trying to fight the "inch deep, mile wide" curricula. Kids from Asian countries score higher on international comparison tests because they obtain this deep knowledge beginning in elementary school. A Mile Wide, an Inch deep. TIMSS-Third International Mathematics and science study. Cross-Cultural comparisons of Mathematics Achievement |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
U.S. Math Education reform is trying to fight the "inch deep, mile wide" curricula. Kids from Asian countries score higher on international comparison tests because they obtain this deep knowledge beginning in elementary school. Some interesting reading there. Thanks. Reality Internet Personality |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
U.S. Math Education reform is trying to fight the "inch deep, mile wide" curricula. Kids from Asian countries score higher on international comparison tests because they obtain this deep knowledge beginning in elementary school. Your thoughts? |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
they can't teach in depth because slower students are forced into classes that they are ill equipped for. These students tend to gum up the works while adding to the classes roll call so they can justify a class. I recall being in advanced classes in High school that a couple of kids were just out of their league. They asked questions about the most simple topics and slowed the learning process down to a crawl. In effect forcing teachers to dumb down the class so that they can say at the end of the year they met all their goals and taught every aspect of their topic when in fact the had to glaze over many thing because of the slower kids. I am by no means calling slower kids mentally retarded. I am saying that classes could more easily be divided to provide better learning for all. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
I agree with the "mile wide an inch deep" analogy. Subjects just don't seem to be taught to the same depth as they were decades ago. Mainly because modern day students cant hack that level of education. You wouldn't, by any chance, be descended from Yorkshiremen, would you? ;-) Is using the latest available technology really so evil? What use is the ability to navigate log tables when most have a calculator on their phone? Or have access to a spreadsheet? I remember from my school days, going to an RAF base to transcribe meteorological data for a geography project, then plotting the data onto a graph. A time consuming and mind boggingly dull task. Today, in the time I spent doing that, I could download raw data from multiple sources into a spreadsheet and be able to slice and dice that data over a hundred ways. Leading to, in all likelihood, a deeper understanding of the subject matter. I think I learned one valuable lesson from that project. The value of good data. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I agree with the "mile wide an inch deep" analogy. Subjects just don't seem to be taught to the same depth as they were decades ago. Mainly because modern day students cant hack that level of education. I think there is a basic problem with your argument, you were taught and understand the ground rules, the present day generation for the most part do not. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
I agree with the "mile wide an inch deep" analogy. Subjects just don't seem to be taught to the same depth as they were decades ago. Mainly because modern day students cant hack that level of education. The basic problem with my previous post, and one I typically note, is that it's an anecdote. As for the "present day generation", I'm sure that, as your point is one supported by a few other posters here, there must be plenty of evidence to support it. Sadly, I don't think any links to said data have been posted. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Not necessarily proof that education standards in the UK are falling, but pretty damned certain when the politicians manage to recognise the fact and order exams to be made tougher. GCSE's are nominally taken by 16 year olds, the official school leaving age in UK. GCSEs in four key subjects to be made tougher |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Another group call for better maths skills. Poor numeracy 'blights the economy and ruins lives' Poor numeracy is blighting Britain's economic performance and ruining lives, says a new charity launched to champion better maths skills. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
IMO the low standards highlighted by the news stories is that most students today are taught to pass the exam, not the subject. And that because most courses are modular the students in a lot of cases do not need to commit the module to long term memory because they will not get a question on it in a final exam several years down the track. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Will this be the shake-up that A-level's need to get students ready for university. University dons take charge in exams shake-up edit] also Michael Gove calls on watchdog to let universities set A-level examinations My 1960's A levels where set by Oxford and Cambridge boards. English, Applied Maths and Physics from the Cambridge board and Pure Maths by the Oxford board. The reason, I was told by maths teacher, was because both boards would only allow you to do either pure or applied not both. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Shouldn't there be a class for parents: Quite agree & here's a case in point as to why that is needed.... Students trash ferry AND both universities say "no comment?" What a disgrace! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I know this link is not strickly education but just had to post it. Especially as most years in my experience GCSE History is about the first half of the 20th century. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/titanic-anniversary/9199970/Twitter-users-thought-Titanic-disaster-was-just-a-film-plot.html |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I know this link is not strickly education but just had to post it. Especially as most years in my experience GCSE History is about the first half of the 20th century. Yes it is education! It's educating us to the "horrors" of today's youth. Not interested in reading/writing, much prefer SMS education... Aw wight, got tat chum? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
It is still partly relevant here though because it just goes to underline how moronic some teenagers are these days. The 100 year anniversary has been mentioned across the press for weeks, but of course most of them would struggle to read more than the second paragraph on page 1. I'm not at all surprised by this report, just confirms yet again my view that mainstream education is failing and that parents are next to useless at bringing up kids. population explosion Because with Child Tax Credits, or if they work part time, Working Tax Credits, they have a guarenteed income higher than they could possibly earn if they worked full time. Plus they get council housing, so they can invite anyone they like in without parental control. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Hi WK. There is certainly a section of female society that view having kids as a meal ticket. The Council house them, and the Social put money in their pocket. If the errant father gives a few bob here and there that is a bonus. OK it's a grade C life with a screaming kid, but it's better that working for a living stacking shelves in a supermarket. "There is certainly" does not sound to me like opinion. Chris, do you have any evidence to support this view of "a section of female society"? As for the "teenagers" and Titanic, did the Telegraph researchers establish the ages of the tweeters? Did they establish their location? [ETA] One of them appears to be US based, and I don't believe we've had quite the media saturation that you mention. [/ETA] As for education failing them, what is the historical significance of the Titanic to anybody other than cruise ship designers and friends and relatives of those directly involved in the accident? While the sinking of this ship may have been one of the largest peacetime accidents at sea, imho that does not make it required learning at school. I will concede one thing appears to be in evidence from the tweets, and that is a lack of ability to judge the merits of movies, the tweets say "just a movie" and "just a film", no mention of how bad it was ;-), and lack comparisons with the, to my mind, superior "A Night to Remember". Perhaps film studies has some merit after all ... I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Hee! Hee! Over to you Chris!!! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
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