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Message 1161271 - Posted: 11 Oct 2011, 22:21:33 UTC

Even after the weekly outage ap_validate3 didn't come online again.

What's going on with Astropulse?
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Message 1161272 - Posted: 11 Oct 2011, 22:23:54 UTC

Would be nice if someone would say something, it has been off for weeks.

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Message 1161273 - Posted: 11 Oct 2011, 22:24:31 UTC


I imagine they want to clear the pipes first.
One of the reasons i dont crunch APs atm.



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Message 1161289 - Posted: 11 Oct 2011, 23:14:48 UTC

IMO, it's analysis that's worthwhile to be done on the data in addition to S@h Enhanced. Whether they stockpile the results for awhile or not doesn't bother me. I do understand that credits are psychologically important to many participants, though. I just hope that anything which isn't working as smoothly as participants would prefer becomes a motivation to donate.

If the total number of AP WUs which cannot be deleted because the validator isn't running gets large it may become a problem for the project, but they know what would be problematic and I don't have enough information to guess.
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Message 1161310 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 1:31:53 UTC

I don't think that it isn't coming online. Maybe that it is running in spurts. Out of my AP tasks that have validated 3 of there were today.

11 Oct 2011 | 20:39:52 UTC
11 Oct 2011 | 9:27:34 UTC
11 Oct 2011 | 3:05:04 UTC

The most recent looks like it was after maintenance as well.

Most of my 96 pending are waiting on wing men. :/
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Message 1161375 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 5:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 1161289.  
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IMO, it's analysis that's worthwhile to be done on the data in addition to S@h Enhanced.


Actually, I am an Astropulse-only Cruncher.

That's why I am especially concerned (that my returned results may be for the dump).
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Message 1161388 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 7:28:09 UTC

for science reasons it always makes sense to crunch AP's. For credit at the moment not ofcourse, but all we can do is sit it out...

For the crunchers that only do it for the credit it's a painfull time, but remember : somewhere, somehow it will be fine again and all the credit will come your way !

Be patient, the guys in the lab are doing all they can with the resources they have !
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Message 1161400 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 8:13:50 UTC - in response to Message 1161388.  

For the crunchers that only do it for the credit it's a painfull time, but remember : somewhere, somehow it will be fine again and all the credit will come your way !


I give a damn about credits. When units are not (never?) validated it's just a waste to energy to crunch them ...
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Message 1161432 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 10:33:43 UTC

Well, either they don't know that one validator isn't running and that the other ones can't keep up enough, or it's off on purpose (i.e. something broken with it, that hasn't been properly diagnosed/fixed yet).

At some point it will get noticed/fixed.
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Message 1161455 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 11:30:55 UTC - in response to Message 1161432.  

Well, either they don't know that one validator isn't running and that the other ones can't keep up enough, or it's off on purpose (i.e. something broken with it, that hasn't been properly diagnosed/fixed yet).

At some point it will get noticed/fixed.

Matt commented some time ago in Ricochet (Jun 02 2011) that:

There are some broken astropulse results clogging one of the validators (which is why it shows up on red on the status page). We'll have to figure out an automated way to detect these results and push them through (it's a real pain to do by hand).

I haven't seen either any report of an automated process for dealing with these, or any systematic search for the source of these "broken results" so that they could be prevented from entering the system.
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Message 1161463 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 12:06:37 UTC - in response to Message 1161455.  

Apologies - but sometimes I don't understand the Seti gods!

What I would do after a scheduled downtime: Check at least if everything on the Status Page is green.

Why ap_validate3 is red now for at least 3 weeks is beyond my comprehension.
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Message 1161472 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 12:53:25 UTC - in response to Message 1161463.  
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Apologies - but sometimes I don't understand the Seti gods!

What I would do after a scheduled downtime: Check at least if everything on the Status Page is green.

Why ap_validate3 is red now for at least 3 weeks is beyond my comprehension.


On the SERVER-Status Page, there is a understandeble explanation
of the SETI(@home) SERVER/Scheduler/Validator/UP-- & Down-Load, etc. of which you
can make a "Block-Diagram" and (hope to) 'see through' it.

When you've set your Preferences in your Account settings and have an
AstroPulse app. installed for CPU or ATI / NVIDIA GPU, OpenCL app.
rev.521, you could expect AstroPulse work.

And AstroPulse work done in the near past, will help, if there is work, getting it!

Also try to do some usefull Bêta-testing and app. tweaking, through command-line
settings on revision 521 for OpenCL on ATI and NVIDIA GPUs.(WorkGroupSize=>256)
And rev.365 for MB work, also OpenCL on ATI & NVIDIA GPUs.(WorkGroupSize=>256)
{Have a look in the Bêta for WorkGroupSize 128, (ATI)-GPUs}
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Message 1161490 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 13:53:00 UTC - in response to Message 1161463.  

Apologies - but sometimes I don't understand the Seti gods!

What I would do after a scheduled downtime: Check at least if everything on the Status Page is green.

Why ap_validate3 is red now for at least 3 weeks is beyond my comprehension.

Because ap_validate1 and ap_validate2 are working so they don't want ap_validate3 to run?
Each ap_validate is identical and only one of them needs to run. They have more that one only to process results faster.

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Message 1161494 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 14:01:42 UTC - in response to Message 1161490.  

Apologies - but sometimes I don't understand the Seti gods!

What I would do after a scheduled downtime: Check at least if everything on the Status Page is green.

Why ap_validate3 is red now for at least 3 weeks is beyond my comprehension.

Because ap_validate1 and ap_validate2 are working so they don't want ap_validate3 to run?
Each ap_validate is identical and only one of them needs to run. They have more that one only to process results faster.

Joe had mentioned before:
ap_validate1 checks "astropulse" if any unexpectedly appear.
ap_validate2 checks "astropulse_v5" if any unexpectedly appear.
ap_validate3 checks "astropulse_v505".

So ap_validate3 is highly important to the current work going out.
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Message 1161495 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 14:06:30 UTC - in response to Message 1161494.  

Apologies - but sometimes I don't understand the Seti gods!

What I would do after a scheduled downtime: Check at least if everything on the Status Page is green.

Why ap_validate3 is red now for at least 3 weeks is beyond my comprehension.

Because ap_validate1 and ap_validate2 are working so they don't want ap_validate3 to run?
Each ap_validate is identical and only one of them needs to run. They have more that one only to process results faster.

Joe had mentioned before:
ap_validate1 checks "astropulse" if any unexpectedly appear.
ap_validate2 checks "astropulse_v5" if any unexpectedly appear.
ap_validate3 checks "astropulse_v505".

So ap_validate3 is highly important to the current work going out.

Yes, and Richard posted a bit ago what I mentioned in another thread....
I am not sure the validation stalling AP WU bug has been completely worked around yet.

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Message 1161502 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 14:16:41 UTC - in response to Message 1161495.  


Yes, and Richard posted a bit ago what I mentioned in another thread....
I am not sure the validation stalling AP WU bug has been completely worked around yet.


I seems to be working, I just had 811841716 WU validated by the THIRD person...it had been waiting validation after being validated twice for some time. Now it is offically validadated.

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Message 1161505 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 14:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 1161502.  

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Message 1161506 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 14:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 1161505.  

Hmmm, but on the oher side...
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=828992536
It's really seems like waiting for AP_validate_3
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Message 1161511 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 14:56:59 UTC

The oldest pending AP task I have with a 2nd result waiting to go through the validation process is from the 8th. Being a few days behind doesn't seem to be to bad to me.
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Message 1161524 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 15:45:42 UTC

I have 3 Ap in pending from 8Sept, 18 Sept, and 28 Sept. Lucked out and have 6 running on the I7 and 1 on the Old P4.

I like running AP, Wish I could get more. Theres been more than one occaision where running AP tasks has kept me crunching for Seti.
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