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Message 1167212 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011, 17:57:31 UTC - in response to Message 1166760.

Targeting Wall Street but hurting small vendors instead
Targeting Wall Street but hurting small vendors instead
About 40 vendors who sell on the City Hall lawn every Thursday were forced off the property after Occupy L.A. protesters refused to remove their encampment. The irony of the mini-businesses being hurt isn't lost on the demonstrators.
By Esmeralda Bermudez, Los Angeles Times

October 30, 2011, 8:14 p.m.
The Occupy movement came to Los Angeles aiming for Wall Street titans, but farmers market vendors are the first to take a real hit.

Two weeks ago, about 40 vendors who sell on the City Hall lawn every Thursday were forced off the property after protesters refused to remove their city of tents.

The mini-businesses — produce farmers, popcorn poppers, flower sellers — were abruptly moved by city officials to a new and less visible location across Main Street. Since that relocation, profits have plummeted, vendors have pulled out and shoppers have become scarce.
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The decision was made through a vote Oct. 19, she said. Close to a hundred demonstrators cast votes. Nearly everyone agreed to move, but a handful did not. Because decisions required unanimous approval, the handful won, Fennelly said.

Gosh 100%?! In the US Senate it is 60%. So one person can block anything. Someone told me democracy was 50% plus one vote. Must be the new math.


They are not practising democracy. It is a form of Anarchism that is based on reaching a consensus through debate. It is a slow but very effective process because it means that once a decision has been made everyone will stick to it. I suspect the debate is still ongoing.
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Message 1167214 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011, 18:02:25 UTC

I'm pleased to see that St Paul's finally remembered that they are Christians.

St Paul's seeks new direction and suspends legal action
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Message 1167303 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011, 22:48:46 UTC - in response to Message 1167181.

Cafe Owner Says He Was Forced to Cut Staff by Nearly a Fourth Because of 'Occupy' Protests
A New York City cafe cut its staff by nearly 25 percent last week because of lost business due to the ongoing Occupy Wall Street protests, the cafe's owner told FoxNews.com.

Marc Epstein, owner of the Milk Street Cafe at 40 Wall Street in lower Manhattan, said he had to cut 21 of the 97 members of his staff on Thursday and Friday after seeing sales plummet by 30 percent in the six weeks since the protests began. He's also been forced to slash the restaurant operating hours, moving up his closing time from 9 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays.

The incessant noise and police activity aside, Epstein said the biggest obstacle to his business has been the ubiquitous New York police barricades surrounding Zuccotti Park in lower Manhattan.

"It's not only a physical impediment, it's a psychological impediment," Epstein told FoxNews.com. "You look down Wall Street now, and it looks like it's under siege. So, people who have to walk down Wall Street don't walk down Wall Street. It used to be a beautiful pedestrian mall, and now it's not -- it's ugly."

More jobs lost to Occupy. How soon before the only job is state police officer?


Will you swallow it,
hook, line and sinker?
Prime-time, boob tube ...
you're a Marble Thinker.

What they're tryin' to sell ya,
could it be,
they have an agenda?

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Message 1167322 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011, 23:56:40 UTC - in response to Message 1159442.

Dear 99% who sleep.

One of us 1%'s just passed. He stayed awake. Started in his parent's garage with a hobby. Turned it into the biggest corporation, beat out all the banks and oil companies.

99% if you continue to sit on your rear and expect someone else to make you rich you will continue exactly where you are now. The only person who can make you rich is the one you see in the mirror every morning.

Now deal with the facts of life.

Sincerely,
1%



Dear Gary Charpentier,

Von Braun and JFK are long dead. One had the scientific knowledge and inspiration, the other the political will and wherwwithall, to get us to Luna. Now, when a government agency is out of big inspiring ideas, and the "little private corporation guys" trying to get space tourism and exploration going in a different way, you would rather gripe about Obama and the Democratic Party for reducing NASAs role and worry that they will scrap it altogether.
I could go on and on, but, are you saying you do not trust a Werner Von Braun or Steve Jobs to appear on the private side of space tourism and exploration, who might keep the technological innovation?
If not, I see contradictions in your overall thinking. Do you?

The 1 in 7 billion = 0.1428571429 * 10^(-7) %.

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Message 1167325 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 0:00:32 UTC - in response to Message 1167212.

Certainly one way to look at it -- perhaps taking a bit of a lesson from the TeaParty partisans. Those folks have been very effective, and have taken over the TeaPublican party (with no small amount of financial assistance). They too (at least from what has gone on in Congress) have anarchistic leanings.

They are not practising democracy. It is a form of Anarchism that is based on reaching a consensus through debate. It is a slow but very effective process because it means that once a decision has been made everyone will stick to it. I suspect the debate is still ongoing.

Message 1167361 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 2:57:01 UTC

This Author advises on what Occupiers should do to be more effective.

Naomi Wolf: The people versus the police

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Message 1167376 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 3:56:42 UTC

thugs ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19246904

at Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a group wearing all-black and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window ...

A man who witnessed the attack on Whole Foods, but declined to give his name, said he was buying an organic orange when the vandalism started.
"I heard a thud as I walked out, and I looked and saw this whole parade of people walking toward the store," the man said. "Most of them were holding signs, walking peacefully, but about three people ran out and kicked down the gate, so I turned to run away."
Joan Bechtel, of Pittsburg, said she and her friend were inside when the vandalism started and were held inside the store for 45 minutes.
"People were scared at first, and there was a lot of tension there for quite a while," Bechtel said. "We heard they were coming back and the employees said they had to close the store, and they let us out."
Oakland City Council President Larry Reid took was not pleased with the destruction.
"Look at Whole Foods. Look at Bank of America and the Kaiser Center. Look at Chase Bank. It's not even dark yet." Asked if he thinks the city can control the vandalism, Reid sighed, and said simply, "No."
Occupy Oakland demonstrators turned their ire on big banks, the Port of Oakland and corporations Wednesday by marching, blocking traffic and chanting -- and in some cases, defacing ATMs and breaking windows -- at Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Chase Bank branches around downtown Oakland.
At Bank of America, some protesters pounded on the locked doors, defaced ATMs and broke a window before moving down the street to Wells Fargo.
Several windows were also broken at the Wells Fargo at 12th and Broadway ...

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Message 1167411 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 7:44:56 UTC - in response to Message 1167376.

Agreed - I'm glad there are no 'bad apples' amongst the Tea Party partisans. And no, that's not an excuse for this, or for that matter the violence seen in places like Athens (I was there 18 months ago).

thugs ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19246904
[quote]at Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a group wearing all-black and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window ...


Message 1167484 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 15:04:50 UTC

Hey Occupiers: Do we need to get our Domestic Help to shine up The Silver Platters or are you Okay with Giving US want We Want on The Tarnished Silver Platters?

Definately Class Warfare when The Occupiers are Preventing The 53% from Doing Their Jobs/Opening Their Businesses/Stopping Shopping and The 53% are Not Happy About It.

Support For The Occupiers? Say Good-Bye to it.

Join The 53% Movement. Soon to be The 60%-70%.

Get Rid of The Thugs.

Sweet.

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Message 1167530 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 17:55:58 UTC - in response to Message 1167484.

Ah yes, the 53% Faux number -- the screwed folks must be getting on your nerves. I thought you had none. <smile>.




Definately Class Warfare when The Occupiers are Preventing The 53% from Doing Their Jobs/Opening Their Businesses/Stopping Shopping and The 53% are Not Happy About It.



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Message 1167531 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 17:56:55 UTC - in response to Message 1167522.

I agree, oh wait, you are not talking about the mega rich corporations and bankers.....


If they are disrupting other people's livelihoods and damaging property, they are no more than common rabble rousers, no matter how noble their supposed cause.


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Message 1167537 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 18:04:10 UTC - in response to Message 1167376.

thugs ...
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_19246904
at Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a group wearing all-black and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window ...

A man who witnessed the attack on Whole Foods, but declined to give his name, said he was buying an organic orange when the vandalism started.
"I heard a thud as I walked out, and I looked and saw this whole parade of people walking toward the store," the man said. "Most of them were holding signs, walking peacefully, but about three people ran out and kicked down the gate, so I turned to run away."
Joan Bechtel, of Pittsburg, said she and her friend were inside when the vandalism started and were held inside the store for 45 minutes.
"People were scared at first, and there was a lot of tension there for quite a while," Bechtel said. "We heard they were coming back and the employees said they had to close the store, and they let us out."
Oakland City Council President Larry Reid took was not pleased with the destruction.
"Look at Whole Foods. Look at Bank of America and the Kaiser Center. Look at Chase Bank. It's not even dark yet." Asked if he thinks the city can control the vandalism, Reid sighed, and said simply, "No."
Occupy Oakland demonstrators turned their ire on big banks, the Port of Oakland and corporations Wednesday by marching, blocking traffic and chanting -- and in some cases, defacing ATMs and breaking windows -- at Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Chase Bank branches around downtown Oakland.
At Bank of America, some protesters pounded on the locked doors, defaced ATMs and broke a window before moving down the street to Wells Fargo.
Several windows were also broken at the Wells Fargo at 12th and Broadway ...


Dear 99%er Gary Charpentier, I like how you and 99% of the conservative corporation controlled media outlets are "working" hard to discredit. Enjoy your new role as a news media outlet. :)

Signed, non-dull, 1 in 7 billion.

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Message 1167602 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011, 22:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 1167536.

Right, because disrupting small businesses and damaging property is what the big guys DO for profit. So they won't be bothered by hooligans doing on a VERY small scale what they do big time.


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No, I was not. Although their mischief is reprehensible indeed, disrupting small businesses and damaging property is not going to bother them much. And disrupting operations at one seaport is only going to last a short while until officials are bound by duty to put an end to it.[/quote]

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Message 1168204 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 13:43:38 UTC

..... How soon before the only job is state police officer?

They won't be police officers Gary, they will be private "Security Guards" employed by the 1% to protect their interests. The government will be too broke to afford to employ "real" police officers.

It would be interesting to know if those responsible for the destruction in Oakland were really part of the "Occupy" movement or agent provocateurs sent in to create trouble in order to discredit the movement and justify the harsh police action against it.

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Message 1168239 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 15:13:28 UTC - in response to Message 1168204.

It would be interesting to know if those responsible for the destruction in Oakland were really part of the "Occupy" movement or agent provocateurs sent in to create trouble in order to discredit the movement and justify the harsh police action against it.

Occupy Oakland is not the same as Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Oakland has at it core a bunch of anarchists. Destruction is their game, banks, government and any organization are their targets. I don't know if they intend on discrediting Occupy or if they see Occupy as a way to advance their goal. I can assure you the anarchists are not working for the 1%.

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Message 1168282 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 18:04:01 UTC

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Message 1168290 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 18:21:37 UTC - in response to Message 1168239.

Interesting, I didn't realize you were an Oakland local.



Occupy Oakland is not the same as Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Oakland has at it core a bunch of anarchists. Destruction is their game, banks, government and any organization are their targets. I don't know if they intend on discrediting Occupy or if they see Occupy as a way to advance their goal. I can assure you the anarchists are not working for the 1%.

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Message 1168387 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011, 21:40:21 UTC

Handful of Violent Rioters Don't Represent "Occupy" Protests

The Occupy movement is a non violent protest. As regards the Oakland incident, there is some question as to whether the violent rioters were agent provocateurs as have been used in other demonstrations.

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