please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430

checked out newegg for PCI slot video cards. Hmmm the best they have is an Nvidia 9500.

you'll fare worse at Tigerdirect. So it seems that you've either purchased the only PCI Nvidia 430 that was ever made or you are mistaking a PCIe card for a PCI card.

Skildude if you check the web pages in my post and Claggy`s you can see that the connector is a PCI slot,
it does have a bridge chip, it`s in the board and crunching.

zotac GT 430 pci

I got mine from here

Claggy found this one but the info dose not fit the photo

And, yes it may be a europe only product for now.

There is also a ZOTAC GeForce GT 430 in PCI, i haven't tried looking to see if it's freely available,

Claggy

Claggy`s link is the best photo of it.
hold your mouse over the fifth small photo then click on it and it expands to a full size photo.

WHERE TO BUY ... You'll see several places you can purchase that particular card. Not one site labels that card as a PCI. all of them do call it a PCI express 2.0 card

Don't expect correct info from sellers - they just copy "something" from "somewhere" to present some "info".
They are not engineers - they only want to earn money (economists).

They don't know exactly what they sell - everything is just "part-number" - you want it, they sell it.

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I am pleased to see the discussion raging around the adverts interpretation of whether the GPU offered is PCI (wanted) or PCI-E (want to avoid as a waste).

Clearly the Zotac GT 430 is the most powerful PCI based GPU available (96 shaders). I went down the 9500GT route (32 shaders) and over a couple of years purchased 4 of them for 2 PCI bus servers (in hardware). All of these GPUs were purchased by web orders from the USA.

I was PMed a link by Highlander (sorry buddy) that showed European sources for the PCI bus Zotac GT430 are there, and this is confirmed by several posters.

I know the time and research it took me to find the (expensive due to legacy) of the GPUs I eventually hit on. I saw this as an opportunity for the community to shorten the period of research I took. Moreover, it could trigger other lines of investigation.

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4zotac GT 430 PCI web page.

please click on that link then click on the link at the bottom of the page labeled WHERE TO BUY. You'll see several places you can purchase that particular card. Not one site labels that card as a PCI. all of them do call it a PCI express 2.0 card

http://www.dabs.com/products/zotac-geforce-gts-430-700mhz-1gb-pci-express-hdmi-zone-76FP.html?refs=50634-55040000

Wrong part number.

Claggy

please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430

checked out newegg for PCI slot video cards. Hmmm the best they have is an Nvidia 9500.

you'll fare worse at Tigerdirect. So it seems that you've either purchased the only PCI Nvidia 430 that was ever made or you are mistaking a PCIe card for a PCI card.

Nvidia is more the designer than the manufacturer, they might design/make the chips, and then produce a reference design of a Card,
But it is the Card manufacturers that make the Cards, they may use the reference design, or they may redesign the card and totally change almost everything on it,
So if a Card manufacturer says they make a PCI card, then they do, wether you can get hold of one is another matter.

Claggy

please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430

checked out newegg for PCI slot video cards. Hmmm the best they have is an Nvidia 9500.

you'll fare worse at Tigerdirect. So it seems that you've either purchased the only PCI Nvidia 430 that was ever made or you are mistaking a PCIe card for a PCI card.

Nvidia is more the designer than the manufacturer, they might design/make the chips, and then produce a reference design of a Card,
But it is the Card manufacturers that make the Cards, they may use the reference design, or they may redesign the card and totally change almost everything on it,
So if a Card manufacturer says they make a PCI card, then they do, wether you can get hold of one is another matter.

Claggy

I did just find a company that is importing them from the UK.
http://www.langtoninfo.com/showitem.aspx?isbn=4897022327118

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I did just find a company that is importing them from the UK.
http://www.langtoninfo.com/showitem.aspx?isbn=4897022327118

The US dollar price asked then corrected for the US dollar to UK£ exchange ($1.61=£1) then translated to EURO value (at £1=EURO1.14) makes the price very comparable with the link I was given in Germany.

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Nice to see that these cards are being found in other parts of the world now.

Ebay
Item number: 300594988853

i think is the cheapest one

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I did just find a company that is importing them from the UK.
http://www.langtoninfo.com/showitem.aspx?isbn=4897022327118

Nice. I just wish they had 1G of memory, 512MB is kinda low these days.

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Do you think there would be any MB bottlenecks running a PCI and PCI-E CUDA? It's a cheap Gateway MB running AMD 6 core (2.9) with 8 gigs.

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These specifications represent the most common version of PCI used in normal PCs.

33.33 MHz clock with synchronous transfers
Peak transfer rate of 133 MB/s (133 megabytes per second) for 32-bit bus width (33.33 MHz × 32 bits ÷ 8 bits/byte = 133 MB/s)
32-bit bus width
32- or 64-bit memory address space (4 gigabytes or 16 exabytes)
32-bit I/O port space
256-byte (per device) configuration space
5-volt signaling
Reflected-wave switching


Year created 2004
Created by Intel · Dell · IBM · HP
Supersedes AGP · PCI · PCI-X
Width in bits 1–32
Number of devices

One device each on each endpoint of each connection.
PCI Express switches can create multiple endpoints out of one endpoint to allow sharing one endpoint with multiple devices.
Capacity

Per lane (each direction):

v1.x: 250 MB/s (2.5 GT/s)
v2.x: 500 MB/s (5 GT/s)
v3.0: 1 GB/s (8 GT/s)

16 lane slot (each direction):

v1.x: 4 GB/s (40 GT/s)
v2.x: 8 GB/s (80 GT/s)
v3.0: 16 GB/s (128 GT/s)



To answer your question, in simple terms, yes, there would be a huge bottle neck.

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http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx

What does that mean in layman's terms... don't install a used PCI cuda card?

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It means that it may work but it will be at a much slower rate vs pci-e. Hence it's like a bottleneck compared to the rest of your system.

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http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx

It looks like there are a few members which crunch over the PCI slot.

The currently max is a GT430 or HD5450.
(Message 1120861)

So not high end grafic cards.
So if there would be a loss, then not much.

If there would be a GTX590 with PCI connector/slot, I guess the loss would be higher. ;-)


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What does that mean in layman's terms... don't install a used PCI cuda card?

It means don't expect a PCI CUDA card to perform well for games which transfer huge amounts of data through the interface. For SETI crunching there will also be some impact, but a PCI GT 430 for instance should be a very capable cruncher. It's a matter of balance. PCI would be a serious limitation for a GTX 590 or any of the other top GPU configurations, but the 430, 9500, 8400 and such are lower speed so can be fed through a slower interface. They won't be able to achieve as near 100% GPU usage as would be possible with a x16 PCIe 2.0 interface, so the power usage will be somewhat lower too.

There are posts earlier in the thread by users doing PCI CUDA crunching. Check some of their task details to see what can be done, all the CDA apps put enough information in the stderr section to be sure which card actually did the task.

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Slashdot has reported that Zotac are doing a PCI GT 520 now (there's also a PCI Express x1 version):

ZOTAC GeForce® GT 520 PCI ZT-50610-10L

Claggy

Slashdot has reported that Zotac are doing a PCI GT 520 now (there's also a PCI Express x1 version):

ZOTAC GeForce® GT 520 PCI ZT-50610-10L

Claggy

That link really interesting and encouraging for CUDA crunching on PCI machines.

Looking at the GeForce GT520 PCI card I see it has 48 shaders, where as the GeForce GT430 PCI (also ZOTAC) here has 96 shaders and should, technically, crunch faster.

That link you gave, Claggy, lead me to a UK technical support telephone number that BT recognises. I hope they can supply me leads to UK retail suppliers as well, or other methods of reaching ZOTAC GeForce PCI CUDA GPUs.

My dual P3 server, when I find out the problem (been busy for months now), which I think is down to a dead PSU, I will up this to a 550W. I am very tempted to replace the ATI 7000 series card (handling graphics only) with a GT430 and let this CUDA crunch in parallel to the 2 x Sparkle GeForce PCI 9500GTs I have already crunching in PrimeGrid.

I have also acquired 2 more PCI based JATON GeForce 9500GT cards from Pinnaclemicro in the US. These will go in my dual Xeon server, which currently has an ATI HD3850 crunching in the AGP slot. Some work needs to be done on this PC as well, with a bigger PSU (650W).

If these 9500GTs work OK in parallel to the HD3850 (on different projects), then I am very tempted to purchase another GT430 (or two) for the other two PCI-X expansion slots. But I am not in a hurry.

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You can not buy the Zotec GT 430 PCI card directly from Zotac in the US now.
The Zotac store has it for $78.99 which is a lot better than the $130 I saw from a company importing them from the UK.

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