The Owl in Daylight (Aug 24 2011)

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Author	Message
KB7RZF Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 Aug 99 Posts: 9427 Credit: 2,069,897 RAC: 4,935	Message 1145525 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 20:37:44 UTC
	Hmm, I've been at it 11 years, and only got 650K credits. I don't have fast machines, money for GPU's, and I'm guessing neither does Chris. What does the amount of credit have to do with anything? People contribute what they can. Lets stop bashing people about how much they contribute by their credits, and focus our help on trying to help out the Berkley crew figure things out and keep this project running. ____________
	ID: 1145525 ·

JohnDK Send message Joined: 28 May 00 Posts: 756 Credit: 20,310,284 RAC: 36,377	Message 1145551 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 21:22:43 UTC - in response to Message 1145516.
	When I saw the message on the site that there were issues making WU's I thought "Oh well, my machine has other stuff to do" but it was getting lonely for SETI. Late yesterday, started getting more WU's, so machine is no longer lonely. I do have one question-why are the downloads and uploads so slow? I have a cable modem connection, and all my other projects are giving me transmission speeds at least 80 kbps, while SETI is lucky to go at 5. Something in the connection between there and here? No complaint-just wondering.(This has been happening for a few weeks) Simply Seti has the most users and all is trying to download work, so speed isn't always great.
	ID: 1145551 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34106 Credit: 341,741,453 RAC: 534,352	Message 1145613 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 0:12:55 UTC - in response to Message 1145480.
	Seti might be the biggest project, but it's also one of the most underfunded projects, So how about you donate some money to it?, $10 per user would increase their budget hugely. Claggy I would hazard a bet that if a number could be placed on it, Seti is absolutely THE most underfunded and understaffed project in Boinc, based on the funds available/donated versus the number of users supported. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1145613 ·

Lois Petrolito Send message Joined: 15 May 11 Posts: 4 Credit: 67,343 RAC: 26	Message 1145619 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 0:34:36 UTC - in response to Message 1145613. Last modified: 27 Aug 2011, 0:34:47 UTC
	Makes sense....just like rush hour! ____________
	ID: 1145619 ·

Alex Storey Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 448 Credit: 1,349,799 RAC: 1,272	Message 1145633 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 1:24:03 UTC
	I "red-xed" a few posts telling fellow crunchers to "take a hike". And I just may make a habit out of it.
	ID: 1145633 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34106 Credit: 341,741,453 RAC: 534,352	Message 1145636 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 1:35:24 UTC - in response to Message 1145633. Last modified: 27 Aug 2011, 1:36:18 UTC
	I "red-xed" a few posts telling fellow crunchers to "take a hike". And I just may make a habit out of it. It depends on the attitude expressed on either side of the discussion. Frankly, anybody that has been a part of this project for any length of time should know by now several things. 1. Those that run the project do not like downtime. 2. Those that run the project are few. 3. Those that run the project must make do with a finite and very limited budget. 4. Those who support the project are getting a bit sick and tired of those who have to drop a post like a turd expressing their total disgust for the fact that it does not have uptime like Amazon. I do not encourage anybody to leave this project. But frankly, I get tired of those kinds of posts too. If you read Tech News, you might understand that those few guys that man the ropes are untangling them at every chance they get in the face of gale force winds. Namely, the tens of thousands of us users who want to contribute everything we can to the search. Yes, things are not always running the way we want them to. And if I were the holder of tomorrow night's winning lottery ticket, you would see some big changes here. Don't hold yer breath. Those who make derisive posts are expressing their frustration. And those who deride those posters are expressing their frustration. Let's just do what we can when we can. Constructive criticism can sometimes open a new door to a solution. Destructive comments cannot. Can both parties just chill a bit? And hey, buy a lottery ticket....it couldn't hurt. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1145636 ·

Blurf Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 6329 Credit: 5,669,392 RAC: 8,345	Message 1145640 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 1:39:10 UTC
	My belief is a cruncher is a cruncher. Give $5000---give 0. Crunch a little/crunch a lot...we're all the same. Live on :) ____________
	ID: 1145640 ·

soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6231 Credit: 27,489,643 RAC: 11,520	Message 1145671 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 3:02:37 UTC
	Folks, this section is intended for Technical news, and comments directly related to it. Please feel free to moan/complain/gripe in number crunching. There is a thread on problems with Hurricaine Electric(one of the causes of people being unable to connect) and even a request for people to provide more information to help trouble shoot that, and a Panic thread to panic when you do not get connected or assigned work units in what you perceive as a timely fashion. Lots of people check this thread to stay up on news. Please preserve that to some extent. ____________ Janice
	ID: 1145671 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34106 Credit: 341,741,453 RAC: 534,352	Message 1145672 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 3:04:40 UTC - in response to Message 1145671.
	Folks, this section is intended for Technical news, and comments directly related to it. Please feel free to moan/complain/gripe in number crunching. There is a thread on problems with Hurricaine Electric(one of the causes of people being unable to connect) and even a request for people to provide more information to help trouble shoot that, and a Panic thread to panic when you do not get connected or assigned work units in what you perceive as a timely fashion. Lots of people check this thread to stay up on news. Please preserve that to some extent. I wish it could be so......... Frankly, I wish the mods would enforce the concept a little bit more. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1145672 ·

Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5057 Credit: 40,632,184 RAC: 52,664	Message 1145695 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 5:23:41 UTC - in response to Message 1145672.
	Folks, this section is intended for Technical news, and comments directly related to it. I wish it could be so......... Frankly, I wish the mods would enforce the concept a little bit more. Motion seconded & carried. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
	ID: 1145695 ·

Slavac Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 27 Apr 11 Posts: 1932 Credit: 17,952,120 RAC: 15	Message 1145697 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 5:43:31 UTC - in response to Message 1145695.
	Focus guys. ____________ Executive Director GPU Users Group Inc. - brad@gpuug.org
	ID: 1145697 ·

Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22595 Credit: 4,494,211 RAC: 6,073	Message 1145791 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 12:56:24 UTC Last modified: 27 Aug 2011, 12:59:23 UTC
	That poster Chris, gets this Chris, quite hot under the collar with his negative comments. I note he apparently comes from East Timor, if only I could speak Tetum I might have a few strong words to say in his direction! In the meantime as Soft has pointed out, this is not the right place to have a bash at Seti performance. The un-supportive people that sadly wish to do so have other more appropriate forums. I agree with Mark, in that we don't like to see crunchers leaving, but in his case I don't think we would miss him if he chose to go elsewhere ....... ____________ Damsel Rescuer, Kitty Patron, Raccoon Friend, Uli Fan, Julie Supporter, ES99 Admirer, PETA member, Diet coke hater
	ID: 1145791 ·

Jeff Mercer Send message Joined: 14 Aug 08 Posts: 89 Credit: 60,291 RAC: 0	Message 1145837 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 15:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 1145791.
	That poster Chris, gets this Chris, quite hot under the collar with his negative comments. I note he apparently comes from East Timor, if only I could speak Tetum I might have a few strong words to say in his direction! In the meantime as Soft has pointed out, this is not the right place to have a bash at Seti performance. The un-supportive people that sadly wish to do so have other more appropriate forums. I agree with Mark, in that we don't like to see crunchers leaving, but in his case I don't think we would miss him if he chose to go elsewhere ....... Although I am not crunching at the moment, I must agree with your comment. We AGREE to do this work for SETI. We are not FORCED to do it. Also, way to much importance is placed on credits and things like that. This is SCIENCE, not a game. Points and credit mean nothing here. Just to prove the point, look at my points and rac. Not real good is it ? Well, it's not important to me. As to the problems with the computers, routers, etc... Well, we have to live with that. These things are machines.... not people. They are going to break down or cause problems because they are old and worn out. We all know that the project is not funded very well, and it takes time for the Seti Crew to get enough money to fix things. I'm sick and tired of hearing people gripe about this project because it isn't working the way THEY want it to. Here's how I look at it. If you don't like the way this project is running, then LEAVE. So, although I'm in a position right now, where I really don't have time to do the number crunching, I am going to try to grab some workunits and crunch again. I SUPPORT this project.
	ID: 1145837 ·

James Sotherden Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 6043 Credit: 14,610,615 RAC: 23,770	Message 1145862 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 16:13:07 UTC
	Please, Lets not beat the dead horse any more. ____________
	ID: 1145862 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34106 Credit: 341,741,453 RAC: 534,352	Message 1145875 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 16:22:30 UTC - in response to Message 1145862.
	Please, Lets not beat the dead horse any more. Giddyup.....whack, whack, whack..... LOL. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1145875 ·

Jeff Mercer Send message Joined: 14 Aug 08 Posts: 89 Credit: 60,291 RAC: 0	Message 1145931 - Posted: 27 Aug 2011, 18:03:03 UTC - in response to Message 1145875.
	Agreed. Sorry for my ranting and raving.
	ID: 1145931 ·

Xen Send message Joined: 22 Jul 00 Posts: 86 Credit: 1,580,279 RAC: 759	Message 1146236 - Posted: 28 Aug 2011, 7:04:07 UTC - in response to Message 1145837. Last modified: 28 Aug 2011, 7:06:23 UTC
	apologies... =) ____________ Nobody is nobody. Everyone has something to offer
	ID: 1146236 ·

Xen Send message Joined: 22 Jul 00 Posts: 86 Credit: 1,580,279 RAC: 759	Message 1146237 - Posted: 28 Aug 2011, 7:05:42 UTC - in response to Message 1145837.
	That poster Chris, gets this Chris, quite hot under the collar with his negative comments. I note he apparently comes from East Timor, if only I could speak Tetum I might have a few strong words to say in his direction! In the meantime as Soft has pointed out, this is not the right place to have a bash at Seti performance. The un-supportive people that sadly wish to do so have other more appropriate forums. I agree with Mark, in that we don't like to see crunchers leaving, but in his case I don't think we would miss him if he chose to go elsewhere ....... Although I am not crunching at the moment, I must agree with your comment. We AGREE to do this work for SETI. We are not FORCED to do it. Also, way to much importance is placed on credits and things like that. This is SCIENCE, not a game. Points and credit mean nothing here. Just to prove the point, look at my points and rac. Not real good is it ? Well, it's not important to me. As to the problems with the computers, routers, etc... Well, we have to live with that. These things are machines.... not people. They are going to break down or cause problems because they are old and worn out. We all know that the project is not funded very well, and it takes time for the Seti Crew to get enough money to fix things. I'm sick and tired of hearing people gripe about this project because it isn't working the way THEY want it to. Here's how I look at it. If you don't like the way this project is running, then LEAVE. So, although I'm in a position right now, where I really don't have time to do the number crunching, I am going to try to grab some workunits and crunch again. I SUPPORT this project. I second this! My thanks to Matt and everyone else who helps keep this going ____________ Nobody is nobody. Everyone has something to offer
	ID: 1146237 ·

Shake Shifter Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 Oct 02 Posts: 9 Credit: 2,716,328 RAC: 82	Message 1146407 - Posted: 28 Aug 2011, 19:01:30 UTC
	Anyone still having trouble uploading? I haven't been able to upload for near two weeks and I've got about 180-200 wu's waiting to upload. Also for some reason my client won't ask for new work units even though I have 0 Cuda WU's. Not sure why when it does an auto scheduler update it always says not requesting new WU's... ____________
	ID: 1146407 ·

Gundolf Jahn Send message Joined: 19 Sep 00 Posts: 3075 Credit: 341,137 RAC: 93	Message 1146409 - Posted: 28 Aug 2011, 19:08:08 UTC - in response to Message 1146407.
	Please ask your questions in Number Crunching! Gruß, Gundolf
	ID: 1146409 ·

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