Ok WHY have I got loads of AP tasks when I specifically changed BOINC prefs to NOT have these via Comp Pref > SETI Enhanced "Yes" & both APs "no"?!?!?!??! Got a BUCKETload of the things & I'm trying to get my RAC up!!!

Personally, I wouldn't call 8 tasks a bucketload...

Maybe you have 'If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?' set to yes?

Besides, if you don't want to run AP why did you install the app?
After you've done those AP tasks just rerun the installer and leave AP unticked (or delete the AP section from app_info.xml).

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Carola
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I'm multilingual - I can misunderstand people in several languages!

At some point, maybe we ought to check for definite which takes precedence - the web site preferences, or the apps you install in app_info.xml

And if it doesn't work the way people expect, decide whether that's a bug or a feature.

That'll be the reason. This should be made clear as therefore that combination of account preferences is contradictory. Interesting what you learn. The reason for no AP is that at the minute I just prefer to have the shorter-time units to see a quicker rise in RAC as I'm on a bit of an RAC-fest ATM. Partly impatience you could say. Got a feeling APs give a higher credit per unit of time though, or is that difficult to measure?

Have calmed down now I've finished wrecking the kitchen & had my Ben + Jerry's.

Last time I tested - if you don't have it in app_info, it can't work (boinc recently complained that I had no usable AP section).
It then uses preferences from the web, so you need to tick the boxes if you want AP work as well.
I was ticking/unticking the AP box, depending on whether I wanted tasks for testing or not.

There have been reports, that AP seems to pay higher, yes.

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Carola
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I'm multilingual - I can misunderstand people in several languages!

There have been reports, that AP seems to pay higher, yes.

AP used to pay higher, when almost all AP units got the infamous 1234.94 (or whatever it was) credits. With the new system, I think that has been reversed, or so it seems to me....most of my APs now get in the range of 5-800.

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There have been reports, that AP seems to pay higher, yes.

AP used to pay higher, when almost all AP units got the infamous 1234.94 (or whatever it was) credits. With the new system, I think that has been reversed, or so it seems to me....most of my APs now get in the range of 5-800.

Sorry, yes those reports were before we got the random credit generator.

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Carola
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I'm multilingual - I can misunderstand people in several languages!

If you don't have it in app_info, sure as heck you can't crunch it...

For definite, the Use CPU and Use GPU options (the v10+ versions) take precedence over app_info - I have both CPU and GPU versions of MB in my app_infos, and switch CPU crunching on and off according to mood, via the website. Maybe the application preferences should work the same way, for consistency, but we need to be sure before reporting this as a bug.

Besides running stock apps and Task Display shows Astropulse V5 and
V505.

(I ran the V 0.37 installer to get my SSSE3x back, but didn't think about it would
change my app_info.xml file, so I've to install the r521 or r516 ATI app,
manually, also for ATI GPU MB processing r177, or later{?})

Some settings, like which kind of WU, MB or AstroPulse, have to be done, in your
account setting on the webpage.

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If you don't have it in app_info, sure as heck you can't crunch it...

For definite, the Use CPU and Use GPU options (the v10+ versions) take precedence over app_info - I have both CPU and GPU versions of MB in my app_infos, and switch CPU crunching on and off according to mood, via the website. Maybe the application preferences should work the same way, for consistency, but we need to be sure before reporting this as a bug.

I use both the Use CPU, Use NVIDIA GPU and the Run only the selected applications switches to manage what type of Wu goes to what device,
i have no problems there, when i set AP_v505 only, i only ger AP_v505, same with setiathome enhanced switch, just wish there was a Use ATI switch,
and that you could have a set of preferences per device,

Claggy

At some point, maybe we ought to check for definite which takes precedence - the web site preferences, or the apps you install in app_info.xml

And if it doesn't work the way people expect, decide whether that's a bug or a feature.

I like the way they (almost) work together now. Changing the "accept work from other apps" to respect the user's AP option settings is one thing I would change now. If either/both AP work options are set to "No", that should be "NO!" irregardless of what the "other work" option is.

Editing out the AP section in my app_info file is not an option because I have ap's to crunch, but I don't want to download any more of them until these are done.

Having set web options to "No" to accomplish that will block any work other than MB_Enhanced ("Yes") and maybe that's not a good thing if GBT/Kepler work becomes available in the near future.

Martin

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Thank you Martin, exactly my situation.

Can't believe we've found this bug...

I like the way they (almost) work together now. Changing the "accept work from other apps" to respect the user's AP option settings is one thing I would change now. If either/both AP work options are set to "No", that should be "NO!" irregardless of what the "other work" option is.

The problem with ignoring the "other work" option to default to No is that there are some users that don't mind running AP when there's no MB or vice versa. The "other work" option is there for good reason, it gives people a chance at flexibility in choosing how they wish to donate their resources.

We can't, as a group, demand more options and flexibility, then complain when we don't pay attention to the flexibility given and it causes confusion.

The staff will have to re-do that preference set when v7 has finished testing and is ready to go live. Perhaps we could - should - prevail on them to remove the two-year-old and totally redundant AP v5 option - I think that causes more confusion than anything else, and we don't need it now the active v5.05 switch is there.

The problem with ignoring the "other work" option to default to No is that there are some users that don't mind running AP when there's no MB or vice versa. The "other work" option is there for good reason, it gives people a chance at flexibility in choosing how they wish to donate their resources.

We can't, as a group, demand more options and flexibility, then complain when we don't pay attention to the flexibility given and it causes confusion.

I'm not saying ignore "other work". "Other work" should refer to an item or items not currently listed. Listed items should behave as marked, yes or no. Wasn't "Other work" added after AP v5 went extinct and before AP 505 was added to the list?

"Other work" should be unnecessary at this moment, but as I mentioned before it could have a play in the not-to-distant future if another crunching option becomes available and if there is no specific option for it.

Martin

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The staff will have to re-do that preference set when v7 has finished testing and is ready to go live. Perhaps we could - should - prevail on them to remove the two-year-old and totally redundant AP v5 option - I think that causes more confusion than anything else, and we don't need it now the active v5.05 switch is there.

The confusion comes from the options not behaving as marked. Yes or no should mean just that. "Other" should have no impact on a listed crunching option.

We (Dave, myself and maybe others) can only hope that someone will take the time and make the effort to try to correct this bug.

Martin

I'm not saying ignore "other work". "Other work" should refer to an item or items not currently listed. Listed items should behave as marked, yes or no. Wasn't "Other work" added after AP v5 went extinct and before AP 505 was added to the list?

No. "Other work" came because some people felt that AstroPulse was a different project at the beginning, and many didn't want to do it.

Then when AP started paying more than MB work, people wanted to focus on doing AP, but since AP isn't as readily available as MB, people wanted an option to do MB only if AP wasn't available.

That's where "Other work" came from. It was never for options not listed.

[Edit] The confusion seems to stem from the fact that before there was an APv505 option, people were told to check this box to get v505 work, but that's not what this option was originally included for.

We (Dave, myself and maybe others) can only hope that someone will take the time and make the effort to try to correct this bug.

This truly isn't a bug. It really was a feature for the reason mentioned above.

The confusion comes from the options not behaving as marked. Yes or no should mean just that. "Other" should have no impact on a listed crunching option.

We (Dave, myself and maybe others) can only hope that someone will take the time and make the effort to try to correct this bug.

Stop calling this option a bug - this is NOT a bug, it works as it should.

I want:
SETI@home Enhanced: yes
Astropulse v5.05: no

but if server responds with "I don't have SETI@home Enhanced tasks"
still get some "other" work to fill my cache (and you know that Astropulse v5.05 is the only "other" work that SETI produces for now)
so I select "... accept work from other applications?" yes


You may want:
SETI@home Enhanced: yes
Astropulse v5.05: no

and never get anything different than SETI@home Enhanced
so you select "... accept work from other applications?" no


So where is the problem - I see this as just an useful option (and I'm not confused).


Maybe you have to read this:
"... accept work from other applications?"
as:
"... accept work from the other applications?"


(- Go buy me cigarettes, I prefer the ABCD brand, I don't like XYZ brand.
- OK, I'll buy you ABCD but what if they don't have them?

Possible answers:
1 (= "yes") - I need cigarettes, even if they don't have my favorite buy me any other brand, even those XYZ I dislike!
2 (= "no" ) - I'm not a strong smoker, if they don't have ABCD don't get me any other brand.
)

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That's where "Other work" came from. It was never for options not listed.

Hence the everlasting confusion.

In any event, listed options should work as marked and 'other' should have no impact on them. If all available crunching options are listed, as they are today, then 'other''s setting should have no impact on anyone's ability to get the work they want (or don't want).

Martin

I have to agree with BilBG, I'm not sure why this would be considered a bug. It seems pretty clear. If you don't want anything but MB even if it means you get no work then set the option to no. If you want to do AP work when there is no MB available then set it to yes. It's actually pretty simple and useful way for the project to allow people to do what they want, but to keep working if that's not possible.

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