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Message 862077 - Posted: 4 Feb 2009, 23:39:30 UTC
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Message 862099 - Posted: 5 Feb 2009, 0:24:40 UTC

Actually, Their not so much being canceled as refunded, For typical Congressional study and such.

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Interior Secretary Ken Salazar told reporters. "“We need to responsibly develop our oil and gas supplies to help us reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but we must do so in a thoughtful and balanced way that allows us to protect our signature landscapes and cultural resources."

"We will take time and a fresh look at these 77 parcels to see if they are appropriate for oil and gas development," he said, adding that the Bureau of Land Management will return the $6 million in bids from an auction last December.

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Message 862548 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 1:56:49 UTC - in response to Message 862099.  

Bush tended to give the oil companies whatever they asked for. After all, the oil industry wrote all the rules that Bush promulgated on energy...


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Message 862572 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 2:45:53 UTC - in response to Message 862548.  

Bush tended to give the oil companies whatever they asked for. After all, the oil industry wrote all the rules that Bush promulgated on energy...

Plus Nimbys don't want drilling anywhere, I can see being too near a NP as they could be farther away out of sight and slant drill instead.
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Message 862749 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 15:53:58 UTC - in response to Message 862077.  

Bush-era energy drilling leases in Utah canceled


Is more drilling as necessary with $40 barrel oil?
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Message 862781 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 18:25:42 UTC - in response to Message 862749.  
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Is more drilling as necessary with $40 barrel oil?

Yes, Why? As It never stays at or even near $40 a barrel for long, Or did You just come out of a cave where Dinos still exist?
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Message 862796 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 18:59:07 UTC - in response to Message 862781.  

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Is more drilling as necessary with $40 barrel oil?

Yes, Why? As It never stays at or even near $40 a barrel for long, Or did You just come out of a cave where Dinos still exist?


One, I doubt there is enough oil in this small parcel of land to influence the world oil price.

Two, wouldn't it make more sense to drill the oil when it is more economical to do so? Like when oil prices are back above $100 a barrel?
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Message 862810 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 19:17:42 UTC - in response to Message 862796.  

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Is more drilling as necessary with $40 barrel oil?

Yes, Why? As It never stays at or even near $40 a barrel for long, Or did You just come out of a cave where Dinos still exist?


One, I doubt there is enough oil in this small parcel of land to influence the world oil price.

Two, wouldn't it make more sense to drill the oil when it is more economical to do so? Like when oil prices are back above $100 a barrel?

1. Like why would Oil from the USA even be concerned with the world market price? They can get their own oil.

1a. When It comes to Oil Shale We have more than Saudi Arabia does, All It needs to flow is elevate the oils temperature to 650F and the oil flows.

2. Drill now or It will not help when oil is at $100.00 a barrel as oil in the ground doesn't do most people any good at all while It's just laying there, Only when It's being refined and bought as gasoline, diesel, kerosene(Jet fuel), oil(various), etc. is oil of any use at all.
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Message 862878 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 22:24:58 UTC

Instead of investing in more drilling while the prices are good, why not invest into alternative renewable resources before it gets bad again?
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Message 862890 - Posted: 6 Feb 2009, 22:50:08 UTC - in response to Message 862878.  

Instead of investing in more drilling while the prices are good, why not invest into alternative renewable resources before it gets bad again?

Alternatives are good, But It won't fit inside the tank of Your car Ozz and not everybody is rich.
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Message 862953 - Posted: 7 Feb 2009, 1:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 862890.  

Instead of investing in more drilling while the prices are good, why not invest into alternative renewable resources before it gets bad again?

Alternatives are good, But It won't fit inside the tank of Your car Ozz and not everybody is rich.


Which is why we need to begin R&D now. Not everything stays expensive Joker. Remember that computers used to cost $10,000 or more? Now you can get one for $400 at some local discount retailer (granted, its junk, but you can still get one for your basic needs).

Obviously as demand goes up, supply will to, and prices usually come tumbling down. ...and obviously it won't work with my car, but I'm thinking long term investments here. Start now so that it won't be expensive the next time we have [insert whatever you want to blame high gas prices on here].
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Message 862962 - Posted: 7 Feb 2009, 1:58:56 UTC - in response to Message 862953.  

Instead of investing in more drilling while the prices are good, why not invest into alternative renewable resources before it gets bad again?

Alternatives are good, But It won't fit inside the tank of Your car Ozz and not everybody is rich.


Which is why we need to begin R&D now. Not everything stays expensive Joker. Remember that computers used to cost $10,000 or more? Now you can get one for $400 at some local discount retailer (granted, its junk, but you can still get one for your basic needs).

Obviously as demand goes up, supply will to, and prices usually come tumbling down. ...and obviously it won't work with my car, but I'm thinking long term investments here. Start now so that it won't be expensive the next time we have [insert whatever you want to blame high gas prices on here].


We need tp do both.


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Message 862967 - Posted: 7 Feb 2009, 2:05:50 UTC - in response to Message 862953.  

Instead of investing in more drilling while the prices are good, why not invest into alternative renewable resources before it gets bad again?

Alternatives are good, But It won't fit inside the tank of Your car Ozz and not everybody is rich.


Which is why we need to begin R&D now. Not everything stays expensive Joker. Remember that computers used to cost $10,000 or more? Now you can get one for $400 at some local discount retailer (granted, its junk, but you can still get one for your basic needs).

Obviously as demand goes up, supply will to, and prices usually come tumbling down. ...and obviously it won't work with my car, but I'm thinking long term investments here. Start now so that it won't be expensive the next time we have [insert whatever you want to blame high gas prices on here].

R&D is a good idea and should be done and not everything stays expensive, For Me almost any car can be expensive and usually cash only or with a loan from a relative, As I get too little for a regular car loan.
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Message 862997 - Posted: 7 Feb 2009, 4:05:15 UTC

More oil was wasted in the rollback of CAFE that occurred about a decade ago than exists in ANWR.

We are currently funding both sides of the fight against terrorism.

There are some sites that we should never drill in. (right next to a national park comes to mind as one of them).

However, we do need to stop importing oil from the mid east.

We need to be doing "all of the above" for any energy technology that holds real promise, including (but not limited to): Hybrid gas/electric cars, Plug in hybrid gas/electric cars, pure electric cars, wind energy, solar energy, geo thermal, nuclear.

We do, however, need to stop burning carbon (coal and oil) to get energy to avoid making the climate so bad that it is not survivable.


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Message 863006 - Posted: 7 Feb 2009, 4:38:42 UTC - in response to Message 862997.  

More oil was wasted in the rollback of CAFE that occurred about a decade ago than exists in ANWR.

We are currently funding both sides of the fight against terrorism.

There are some sites that we should never drill in. (right next to a national park comes to mind as one of them).

However, we do need to stop importing oil from the mid east.

We need to be doing "all of the above" for any energy technology that holds real promise, including (but not limited to): Hybrid gas/electric cars, Plug in hybrid gas/electric cars, pure electric cars, wind energy, solar energy, geo thermal, nuclear.

We do, however, need to stop burning carbon (coal and oil) to get energy to avoid making the climate so bad that it is not survivable.

In any case stopping the Burning of Oil, Coal and Natural Gas(all produce CO2 as a by product) isn't something that can be simply done overnight, This will take a long time. Hydrogen fuel cells ready for Mass production are at least 20 years off as It's a matter of finding materials that will do the job and can be massed produced, Currently Hydrogen comes from (what else) Natural Gas as It's easier to crack than water and Hydrogen powered cars are not very fuel efficient right now and being Hydrogen is smaller than the smallest molecule(Helium), It tends to be able to be able to escape as It were as It's really, unbelievably small stuff, What one thinks is solid, Is actually pretty full of holes or hollow spaces from what I've read and looks more like a net or even a lattice structure.
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Message 863511 - Posted: 8 Feb 2009, 16:02:55 UTC

We need to drill because oil will go back up as soon as more Americans get back to work and can afford to buy gas.

I would rather have an electric car or even an electric golf cart. I live close enough to work either would work for me. If I was in better health a bike would work. North Carolina could legalize electric golf carts.

If car prices and technology had improved as much as computers have well.. We all know about frogs and wings.

Think how much money could be diverted to R&D is all CEO's and executives were limited to $500,000 a year.
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Message 863515 - Posted: 8 Feb 2009, 16:21:53 UTC - in response to Message 863511.  

We need to drill because oil will go back up as soon as more Americans get back to work and can afford to buy gas.

I would rather have an electric car or even an electric golf cart. I live close enough to work either would work for me. If I was in better health a bike would work. North Carolina could legalize electric golf carts.

If car prices and technology had improved as much as computers have well.. We all know about frogs and wings.

Think how much money could be diverted to R&D is all CEO's and executives were limited to $500,000 a year.

Electric cars do exist right now, But the catch is their not mass produced and so their expensive and their range is still varies, Some have a range of 50 miles others may or may not do more. :D
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Message 863519 - Posted: 8 Feb 2009, 16:49:16 UTC - in response to Message 863511.  

We need to drill because oil will go back up as soon as more Americans get back to work and can afford to buy gas.

I would rather have an electric car or even an electric golf cart. I live close enough to work either would work for me. If I was in better health a bike would work. North Carolina could legalize electric golf carts.

If car prices and technology had improved as much as computers have well.. We all know about frogs and wings.

Think how much money could be diverted to R&D is all CEO's and executives were limited to $500,000 a year.


...but if we keep putting off the R&D because it isn't good enough for us right now, then we'll never get to the point where we'll be able to ween ourselves off oil.

I would rather pay more for gas right now if it were to mean that sometime in the future, even if its my kid's future, that we could be running a much cleaner fuel source than we are now. That might just be me. I think too many people only worry about the here and now (which is important) but forget to plan ahead.
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Message 863528 - Posted: 8 Feb 2009, 17:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 863511.  

Sometimes it's really hard not to just laugh like hell at the stuff posted here.

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Message 865438 - Posted: 14 Feb 2009, 19:04:03 UTC - in response to Message 863519.  

We need to drill because oil will go back up as soon as more Americans get back to work and can afford to buy gas.

I would rather have an electric car or even an electric golf cart. I live close enough to work either would work for me. If I was in better health a bike would work. North Carolina could legalize electric golf carts.

If car prices and technology had improved as much as computers have well.. We all know about frogs and wings.

Think how much money could be diverted to R&D is all CEO's and executives were limited to $500,000 a year.


...but if we keep putting off the R&D because it isn't good enough for us right now, then we'll never get to the point where we'll be able to ween ourselves off oil.

I would rather pay more for gas right now if it were to mean that sometime in the future, even if its my kid's future, that we could be running a much cleaner fuel source than we are now. That might just be me. I think too many people only worry about the here and now (which is important) but forget to plan ahead.

People respond to prices. If we want to start weaning ourselves from foriegn oil as we are funding both sides of the war on terror, we probably need to artificially inflate the price of gasoline - set a floor price of $4.00 / gallon at the pump, and you would see people buying smaller cars, hybrids, and electric cars as well as seeing much more money spent on research on how to build more efficient cars. The idea is that we need to incorporate the true cost of oil into the price at the pump. This includes fighting to keep the oil supply going as well as the environmental damage done by burning the stuff.


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