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Message 925053 - Posted: 10 Aug 2009, 0:46:50 UTC - in response to Message 925039.  

I am running Boinc on Win 7 RC. It runs fine except it rarely sends the completed tasks in. Usually have to send them manually. Also it doesn't quit when I tell it to. Have to shut down Win 7.

Tasks should be sent automatically at the first of:

1) 24 hours before report deadline.
2) Connect every X before report deadline.
3) On completion of the upload if later than 1 or 2.
4) 24 hours after completion.
5) On a work request.
6) On a trickle up. (CPDN only as far as I know).
7) On a trickle down request. (do not believe this is used by any project).
8) On a server specified maximum duration between connections. (used by at least one project, but don't know which).
9) Requested by an Account Manager (only if you are using an account manager for management, and then only if you make a change).
10) When the user pushes the update button.

None of these should be OS dependent.


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Message 942502 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 7:02:47 UTC

I installed Windows 7 (MS version, not torrent) in a dual boot configuration with WinXP Pro. I have all of my program data on a separate data drive, including BOINC data. When I installed BOINC in win7 and pointed it to my Data drive, it ran fine but lost all of my CUDA workunits. When I restarted and went back into WinXP, BOINC would not log into the local client. Access was denied to client_state.xml, among other files. I had to reinstall BOINC to get it to work again in XP. Now it will not connect in Win7.

Anybody have any ideas on how t have access to the BOINC data in both OS's?


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Message 942505 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 7:44:52 UTC - in response to Message 942502.  

Anybody have any ideas on how t have access to the BOINC data in both OS's?

Am I reading you correctly, are you trying to switch back and forth between XP and W7? Have a dual boot system and run BOINC on both Windows, pointing to one data directory?

If you are trying to do that, it's permissions. Make sure your user account name, level of permissions and machine's network name are absolutely the same between the two OSes. If you are just trying to switch from XP to W7, it's the machine's network name and hardware (CPU mostly) that has to be the same.
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Message 942537 - Posted: 24 Oct 2009, 13:11:53 UTC - in response to Message 942505.  

Anybody have any ideas on how t have access to the BOINC data in both OS's?


Am I reading you correctly, are you trying to switch back and forth between XP and W7? Have a dual boot system and run BOINC on both Windows, pointing to one data directory?

If you are trying to do that, it's permissions. Make sure your user account name, level of permissions and machine's network name are absolutely the same between the two OSes. If you are just trying to switch from XP to W7, it's the machine's network name and hardware (CPU mostly) that has to be the same.


Yes, that is wxactly what I am trying to do, switch back and forth between Win7 and XP. I have some drivers that do not have Win compatible drivers yet so I am primarily running XP7 I have the network name the same on both OSes and naturally the CPU is the same. I'll double check the settings.

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Message 943482 - Posted: 29 Oct 2009, 0:08:19 UTC - in response to Message 942537.  

Anybody have any ideas on how t have access to the BOINC data in both OS's?


Am I reading you correctly, are you trying to switch back and forth between XP and W7? Have a dual boot system and run BOINC on both Windows, pointing to one data directory?

If you are trying to do that, it's permissions. Make sure your user account name, level of permissions and machine's network name are absolutely the same between the two OSes. If you are just trying to switch from XP to W7, it's the machine's network name and hardware (CPU mostly) that has to be the same.


Yes, that is wxactly what I am trying to do, switch back and forth between Win7 and XP. I have some drivers that do not have Win compatible drivers yet so I am primarily running XP7 I have the network name the same on both OSes and naturally the CPU is the same. I'll double check the settings.

Thanks.


Well, I'm running it as a non-privileged user, it is using the same user name, "boinc_admin" in both OSes, the Workgroup name is the same in both OSes, the privileges appear the same, but I still cannot get it to run in either OS unless I reinstall when I switch OSes. I would like to run it this way until I get everything I use running in Windows 7. Any assistance appreciated.

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Message 943485 - Posted: 29 Oct 2009, 0:33:05 UTC - in response to Message 943482.  

Hold on.. Do you by chance have a 64bit Windows 7? if so, are you then installing the 64bit BOINC on that OS?

I ask, as the version for Windows XP pro will be 32bit, so that's one hostID.
If Windows 7 is a 64bit OS, it will make a new hostID as the platform operating system has changed. Work is registered against the hostID.

You may be able to spoof it by installing and running the 32bit BOINC in Windows XP compatibility mode on Windows 7.
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Message 943539 - Posted: 29 Oct 2009, 4:09:41 UTC - in response to Message 943485.  

Hold on.. Do you by chance have a 64bit Windows 7? if so, are you then installing the 64bit BOINC on that OS?

I ask, as the version for Windows XP pro will be 32bit, so that's one hostID.
If Windows 7 is a 64bit OS, it will make a new hostID as the platform operating system has changed. Work is registered against the hostID.

You may be able to spoof it by installing and running the 32bit BOINC in Windows XP compatibility mode on Windows 7.


Is it possible to install 32 bit BOINC on 32 bit OS and 64 bit BOINC on 64 bit OS but pointing both to the same BOINC Data directory (e.g. C:\BOINC_Data)?



 


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Message 943684 - Posted: 29 Oct 2009, 21:05:01 UTC - in response to Message 943539.  

I am using 32-bit for both OSes.
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Message 943730 - Posted: 29 Oct 2009, 23:48:09 UTC - in response to Message 943684.  

According to your list of computers you still don't have Windows 7, so have you ever run BOINC on it there? Or run anything to completion so you upload & reported to Seti?
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Message 943769 - Posted: 30 Oct 2009, 1:50:30 UTC - in response to Message 943730.  

At this point, I have just been testing back and forth. I may let it run some to completion tonight as I have been having problems completing CUDA files in XP. Most do not finish with good validation, and most end with errors. I am running 4 computers with XP. 2 have Quad cores, 2 have dual cores. Only one is not CUDA capable, and 1 of 3 has problems running CUDA files. I'm hoping that running in Windows 7 will eliminate my CUDA errors.
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Message 943777 - Posted: 30 Oct 2009, 2:03:37 UTC - in response to Message 943769.  

and 1 of 3 has problems running CUDA files. I'm hoping that running in Windows 7 will eliminate my CUDA errors.

Is that this machine?

I see you have loads of "Can't write init file: -108" errors with exit code -185s.

Exit code -185 means:
This is an error that will occur when:
- if BOINC couldn't start the application
- if files are missing
- catch other error returns
- on nonzero exit or signal
- if exceeded resource limit
- catch-all for resume/start errors


Exit code -108 means:
1. BOINC has a problem opening or writing one or more files. One of the ways to get this error is by hiding the BOINC directory and its sub directories. Then BOINC can't find where it is running from.

Solution: Do not hide your BOINC directory.

2. BOINC finds that the file is open and in use by another process, or BOINC cannot write to the file.

Solution: Exit BOINC completely and restart it or reboot the computer.

3. It may happen, that when an application hangs while opening/writing to a file and then terminates abnormally (e.g. via Task Manager or even BOINC), this (formerly opened) file may stay locked even if the application is terminated (due to file locks are handled by the OS - e.g. file locks on network shares are handled by the OS for the network PC/Server - the OS needs a definite "remove this lock!" from the calling application to remove it).

Solution: Restart your computer.

4. You installed BOINC as an administrator but run it as another user and didn't give that user rights to write to the BOINC directory/subdirectories. The directories their read-only attributes are set.

Solution: Either run BOINC as administrator, or give the user you want to run under rights to write to the BOINC directory and subdirectories.



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Message 943783 - Posted: 30 Oct 2009, 2:26:58 UTC - in response to Message 943777.  
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Yep! That's the machine. I have tried shutting down and restarting multiple times, uninstalling BOINC and reinstalling it multiple times with no success in correcting the errors, and that's why I decided to try it in Windows 7. I don't appear to have the problem with Non-CUDA work units, but the past few days all I seem to have are CUDA work units. I even upgraded my CUDA card from a GeForce 9500 to a GeForce 275 thinking there may have been a problem with the video board.
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Message 943786 - Posted: 30 Oct 2009, 2:42:35 UTC - in response to Message 943783.  
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Yep! That's the machine. I have tried shutting down and restarting multiple times, uninstalling BOINC and reinstalling it multiple times with no success in correcting the errors, and that's why I decided to try it in Windows 7. I don't appear to have the problem with Non-CUDA work units, but the past few days all I seem to have are CUDA work units. I even upgraded my CUDA card from a GeForce 9500 to a GeForce 275 thinking there may have been a problem with the video board.

The problems you're having aren't a problem with BOINC, so no further need to uninstall/reinstall or update at this time. You have trouble with the Seti CUDA application. BOINC just manages things, it doesn't do any of the actual calculations.

I also see a lot of messages alike this:
- exit code -1 (0xffffffff)

<stderr_txt>
SETI@home error -1 Can't create file -- disk full?
in seti_init_state()
File: ../seti.cpp
Line: 329


You also have a couple which fall back to the CPU, then run out of steam due to maximum elapsed time exceeded errors. The Seti CUDA application will automatically fall back to the CPU when there is a problem of sorts with the GPU, usually (again) when there's a task stuck, or when there isn't enough memory left to store tasks in.

Going to the front of where these errors started, checking this task it says that you got way more triplets than allowed. This continued until you ran into memory problems (this task) and from there on in it only got worse.

Ok, so you changed videocards. That's one way of checking faulty hardware. Have you tried to put the videocard in a different PCIe slot, to make sure the PCIe slot it is in isn't having problems?

Tried different videocard drivers (as far as that was possible)?
Is your PSU still OK?
Updated motherboard chipset drivers?

I don't think updating to Windows 7 will solve your problems, as it's not OS related or software related, but more hardware or drivers.
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Message 943918 - Posted: 30 Oct 2009, 19:54:41 UTC - in response to Message 943786.  

Ok, now I am really confused. This process of CUDA failures I am having started 2 motherboards ago. I have updated all drivers to the latest I can find. Each of my computers uses a different motherboard manufacturer. On the one in question, I am even on my 3rd PSU. I have changed out memory, added a UPS. If things do not stabilize by switching to Windows 7, the only thing left to change out is the boot OS drive which is an older IDE, or the data drive which is a SATA drive. Could it be one of the drives having problems? Even though the data is on a different drive?

Yesterday when I went home, the computer in question had unsuccessfully finished over 400 CUDA work units in about a 14 hour period.

What are your thoughts?
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Message 943927 - Posted: 30 Oct 2009, 20:26:59 UTC - in response to Message 943918.  

...the only thing left to change out is the boot OS drive which is an older IDE, or the data drive which is a SATA drive. Could it be one of the drives having problems? Even though the data is on a different drive?

When you changed previous hardware, did that include changing of cables as well? Well, of course when you change the PSU, all power cables will change.

Tried a different IDE cable?
Tried a different SATA cable?

You could check the hard drives themselves, the hard drive manufacturers usually have a drive checking program available for download from their site. If you need help in finding those, let me know what drives they are, manufacturer name and model, please.
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Message 943943 - Posted: 30 Oct 2009, 22:03:27 UTC - in response to Message 943918.  

Ok, now I am really confused. This process of CUDA failures I am having started 2 motherboards ago. I have updated all drivers to the latest I can find. Each of my computers uses a different motherboard manufacturer. On the one in question, I am even on my 3rd PSU. I have changed out memory, added a UPS. If things do not stabilize by switching to Windows 7, the only thing left to change out is the boot OS drive which is an older IDE, or the data drive which is a SATA drive...

...and the graphics boards. Did you test the GeForce 9500 and the GeForce 275 in another computer? (And a CUDA card that works in another one in the computer with the problems?)
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Message 944120 - Posted: 31 Oct 2009, 4:40:43 UTC - in response to Message 943943.  

Try this.. Go to the boinc data folder and right click it,select properties and there find permissions tab, there add user "everyone" and allow him to all options (write,read etc),save it. Made the same at both os'es. This will enable full access to both operating systems. Good luck.
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Message 944637 - Posted: 2 Nov 2009, 17:27:33 UTC - in response to Message 944120.  

I have been running in just Windows 7 for the past 4 days. All cables are new. Unfortunately, Seti has been out of work units, or so this workstation says. I finally got 4 new workunits yesterday that ran to completion successfully, but they were not CUDA workunits. Still waiting for more workunits. Overall, this workstation is more stable running Windows 7.
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Message 944638 - Posted: 2 Nov 2009, 17:33:02 UTC - in response to Message 944637.  
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I see you ran CUDA tasks nonetheless, on 6.6.38, and they all ran in half a minute resulting in a -9 overflow error, with either high spikes or high pulses. This indicates a problem with either the videocard or the drivers. It's very well possible you will not get credit for those tasks.

I also see you ran one other CUDA task which ended normally.

So stay on 6.10.17, it seems to have cured your problem.
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