Both sides, Israel and Palestinian arabs, are right, and both sides also are not right. Let they fight if they want. It's only a little episode in the World history.

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A cease-fire has been signed--Israel was pulling out and now Hamas is continually firing rockets into Israel. I have NO pity for Hamas now.

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how many deads in israel and how many in gaza, and you don´t have any pity?

how many deads in israel and how many in gaza, and you don´t have any pity?

Aristo-you are misperceiving my statement. I have no pity for Hamas when THEY are violating a cease-fire THEY agreed to.

I always have sadness for the dead

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i get always angry when innocent people get killed, if soldiers want to kill each other, fine, but don´t take innocent people to your stupid games.

Hamas did not originally agree to Israel's goodnight unilateral cease fire yesterday.

As I understand it, they have now agreed a unilateral ceasefire for their rocket attacks.

Blurf - you are wrong in assuming Hamas agreed to a cease fire yesterday. Israel declared a unilateral cease fire, with the threat that is rocket attacks went on they would go back in to Gaza.

Aristo is correct in his assertions, but it does not mean Israel should tolerate rocket attack provocations.

I must say the response was clearly out of proportion and in a heavily civilian populated enclave.

The USA should have condemned this on the second or third day.

Israel not only has a right, but an obligation, to defend itself. They have also tried, many times, to give the Palestinians a chance. I just don't think the Palestinians want it. I forget who said, "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

...but, Israel isn't exactly guilt free either. Videos have clearly shown Israel using cluster bombs in heavily (civilian) populated areas. This seems to suggest that they are getting frustrated by not being able to "surgically" take out Hama's rockets.

What is sad is that the Israelis and the Palestinians, other than their religions, really shouldn't shouldn't be all that different from one another.

... I forget who said, "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

Another quote that I've seen is along the lines that the Arabs must move away from festering in feeling millennia of "victimisation" and striving for an eternity of vengeance to instead letting the past be past and moving towards a future of peace and prosperity.

I think there are enough examples to show that continued war is never prosperous.

What is sad is that the Israelis and the Palestinians, other than their religions, really shouldn't shouldn't be all that different from one another.

Their religions should be striving for peace. What is sad is the over-powerful influences of the extremists mis-interpreting their assumed religions...


All very silly as war always is.

Regards,
Martin

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Obama surmons the eyptian president, isreal prime minister ,jordans king Hussein and palestinian prime minister but no hamas.I guess he feels that no one can talk to those guys.

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This would be My solution to the problem:

the One-state solution

Merge Israel and the West Bank and Gaza altogether, Give Everyone who lives there the Right to live there in Peace no matter what their Religion is and give those who are in exile the right of Return and New Housing of the Same Quality as the Settlements for Free and open the Israeli roads up while having some stops for checking for Bombs which could be phased out as conditions warrant It.

Basically Equality for all and Justice for those that take the law into their own hands instead of going to the Government for Help.


The Current split, Whether right or wrong this is how Israel has It divvied up, Our Navy even has to be careful as the Israelis once tried to sink a US Navy ship in international waters, I guess the Israeli Government doesn't like to be watched.

This is the 1947 UN Resolution 181:

Dark Green YES,
Lime Green Switched to YES,
Dark Yellow Abstained,
Dark Pink Absent,
Dark Red NO,
Gray No Data.

Then there's this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isratine_proposal

I can say one thing about this Irastine idea, I like the name. :)

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I don't think there is going to be any solution whether there is one state, two state or any other kind of state while there is still the problem of settlers illegally occupying the West Bank.

I expect many of you have already watched this video from CBS but for those who haven't, it gives a graphic idea of the difficulties involved.

Is Peace Out of Reach

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Rockets fired into isreal from lebanon one woman killed, Isreal retaliates .

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy

Sending reward cash to the terrorists

What's that definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Such is the case with Middle Eastern diplomacy. In another example of Obama rewarding bad behavior -- in this case terrorism -- the Obama regime said it intends to send some $900 million to the homicidal, Israel-hating lunatics of the Gaza strip known as Hamas. Of course, Obama promises that the money will go to Gaza via non-governmental organizations rather than to Hamas itself.

Following in the clueless footsteps of every recent U.S. administration, Barack Obama believes that he is now The One that can bring peace to a people that do not want peace with Israel, but rather want Jewish Israelis in pieces. The money is supposed to be used to help reconstruct Gaza after Israel's recent Hamas hunting party in Gaza, but since Hamas controls Gaza, there is very little doubt where the money will end up. Obama's monetary aid would first have to be approved by Congress, and fortunately many there are leery about helping Hamas in any form until it renounces violence and finally recognizes Israel's right to exist. But since violence and the destruction of Israel are Hamas' raison d'etre, any sane person knows that will not happen. Obama's seemingly naive view of Hamas, combined with his chilly reception of the new right-wing coalition government in Israel led by Benjamin Netanyahu, means the outlook for the Middle East is just more of the same.

there are children suffering in gaza, they need help, ie food etc.
(and it has something to do with the fact that when UN safety council is making sanctions of israel´s doing , usa veto them)

Hi,

Isreal will never agree to a "One-State-Solution", they don't have the numbers to win a democratic election (even if they start to ban condoms and birth controll pills - interesting thougt "Hey babe, do you want us to win the next elections ...").

And as long as the US und Europe don't speak with one voice Isreals goverment won't listen. As long as they can count on american/european weapons, money (also for the palastine people) and support you won't get both sides on one table. If USA and Europe would stop to trade with these two groups (Israel AND Palatine) and puts pressure on the "arab-world" to do the same, within 2 years they would start talking seriously. If not - they can start to remember the times when Jesus and his gang wandered around in this ugly part of the world and what life in this time was - I believe things would realy speed up.

But as long as there is money to make and religious groups - both in USA and Europe - whit more influence than they deserve, nothing will happen.

A big fence, a lot of sticks and TV-Stations would realy have a good Live-Event --- sorry I don't believe in wonders. But of course I forgot the "US-Made" A-Bombs Isreal build some decades ago. Interesting politics Bush and his gang should have invaded Israel - there they could have found "weapons of massdestruction".



Greetings from Germany

JRK Beyer

thank you , finally some one speak truth

peace to a people that do not want peace with Israel, but rather want Jewish Israelis in pieces.

I'd just seen these figures in a copy of UK's Private Eye from Jan 23rd:

Number Crunching
13 Israelis killed in recent Gaza conflict
1,300 Palestinians killed in recent Gaza conflict
1,300,000 Palestinians in the whole of Gaza

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.1% of the population! Clearly if the Palestinians do want the Israelis in pieces they are doing a very bad job of it.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

peace to a people that do not want peace with Israel, but rather want Jewish Israelis in pieces.

I'd just seen these figures in a copy of UK's Private Eye from Jan 23rd:

Number Crunching
13 Israelis killed in recent Gaza conflict
1,300 Palestinians killed in recent Gaza conflict
1,300,000 Palestinians in the whole of Gaza

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.1% of the population! Clearly if the Palestinians do want the Israelis in pieces they are doing a very bad job of it.

gaza strip 141 sq miles. 1.3 million thats over 9200 civilians per sq mile. I'd say that the israelis used quite a bit of restraint

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peace to a people that do not want peace with Israel, but rather want Jewish Israelis in pieces.

I'd just seen these figures in a copy of UK's Private Eye from Jan 23rd:

Number Crunching
13 Israelis killed in recent Gaza conflict
1,300 Palestinians killed in recent Gaza conflict
1,300,000 Palestinians in the whole of Gaza

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.1% of the population! Clearly if the Palestinians do want the Israelis in pieces they are doing a very bad job of it.

gaza strip 141 sq miles. 1.3 million thats over 9200 civilians per sq mile. I'd say that the israelis used quite a bit of restraint

100 Palestinian lives for each Israeli life, that's my definition of restraint too. But it's the Palestinians fault casualties were .1% of the population, after all being so densely populated high collateral losses are to be expected. Makes perfect sense to me.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I assume your post was an attempt at Irony. Perhaps if we had Mexican nationals sending rockets into San Diego. Or El Paso. This would be a similar situation. We have nightly reports from the cities where they were constantly forced to seek cover from the rockets... you get the point. Is it right for one socalled nation to lob rockets at another without any retaliation expected. THe fact that Hamas intentionally hides behind civilians including women and children tells me how honorable a fighting force they are.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
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