We are all equal here, as I hope one day we all can be everywhere, and expect to be treated as such.

I think you're asking a bit much... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

I missed Mark's first post, so cannot comment as to why it was hidden. Mark will know, and he could repost with the message edited to remove the part or parts considered the reason why it was removed.

Mark has posted repeatedly for the first post in his thread to be reinstated at the original position. Clearly, for what ever reason it has not, and his reposting would take the reason for the thread out of context.

I will ask the mods to reinstate the first post, as a back up to Mark's request. This request is not commenting on moderator action, but I am fully expecting to see this one hidden as well (for that reason).

Mark

I think Esme's suggestion is probably the simplest answer for you - post a modified post to start a new thread and get this one closed.

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

You all should know that Mark can re-post an edited version of his initial post. Moderators are not able to edit posts other than their own.

You all should know that Mark can re-post an edited version of his initial post. Moderators are not able to edit posts other than their own.

Yes..but the problem is that the beginning of the thread is missing..even if he reposts the thread as a whole doesn't make sense.

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Gee......might this have something to do with the fact that this country was founded by straight white Christian males???

If it were that reason OR any other, would that make it any less a part of my heritage?

But.....we digress..........

I would really like this thread to get back to my original post about energy...........my energy theory for this country.....if the mods would kindly relight that post.....

I'll address that post when/if it is returned.

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Gee......might this have something to do with the fact that this country was founded by straight white Christian males???

If it were that reason OR any other, would that make it any less a part of my heritage?

I remember a brilliant programme they showed here about people like you who hated other races and were proud of their white heritage. They did DNA test to trace their ancestry and discovered that none of them were actually of strictly white heritage (whatever that means)..and that there were made up of all sorts of races that they despised.

I have to admit I laughed my head off at the looks on their faces when they found out they weren't strictly white British.

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Reality Internet Personality

You all should know that Mark can re-post an edited version of his initial post. Moderators are not able to edit posts other than their own.

Yes..but the problem is that the beginning of the thread is missing..even if he reposts the thread as a whole doesn't make sense.

Your suggestion that he start a new thread is a good one; or he could re-post the initial post here with a header explaining that it is the (edited) first post.

[Edit]: Also, at Mark's request, I will remove all off-topic posts in this thread if he wants this one to continue.

You all should know that Mark can re-post an edited version of his initial post. Moderators are not able to edit posts other than their own.

Yes..but the problem is that the beginning of the thread is missing..even if he reposts the thread as a whole doesn't make sense.

Your suggestion that he start a new thread is a good one; or he could re-post the initial post here with a header explaining that it is the (edited) first post.

[Edit]: Also, at Mark's request, I will remove all off-topic posts in this thread if he wants this one to continue.

I will start a new thread with my original post....less the reference that YOU seem to find objectionable.....I still do not feel it was offensive...but the point I was trying to make about oil will stand without it...
Take care, Qui-Gon. No hard feelings, just disagree with you on that point.

EDIT...You may let this thread stand as is, and the others may continue along their path as they wish....

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Gee......might this have something to do with the fact that this country was founded by straight white Christian males???

If it were that reason OR any other, would that make it any less a part of my heritage?

I remember a brilliant programme they showed here about people like you who hated other races and were proud of their white heritage. They did DNA test to trace their ancestry and discovered that none of them were actually of strictly white heritage (whatever that means)..and that there were made up of all sorts of races that they despised.

I have to admit I laughed my head off at the looks on their faces when they found out they weren't strictly white British.

I laugh when I hear propaganda like that.

This msnbc article, dated May 2008, puts the number of multiracial Americans at less than 5 million.

With interracial marriage illegal in 16 states until 1967 and racist sentiments against it remaining to this day in some places, the number of biracial and multiracial Americans is relatively small at less than 5 million. Although it includes a number of high-profile celebrities and athletes like Tiger Woods, Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter, Vin Diesel and Halle Berry, it’s well under 2 percent of the nation’s current 302 million residents.

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Gee......might this have something to do with the fact that this country was founded by straight white Christian males???

If it were that reason OR any other, would that make it any less a part of my heritage?

I remember a brilliant programme they showed here about people like you who hated other races and were proud of their white heritage. They did DNA test to trace their ancestry and discovered that none of them were actually of strictly white heritage (whatever that means)..and that there were made up of all sorts of races that they despised.

I have to admit I laughed my head off at the looks on their faces when they found out they weren't strictly white British.

I laugh when I hear propaganda like that.

This msnbc article, dated May 2008, puts the number of multiracial Americans at less than 5 million.

With interracial marriage illegal in 16 states until 1967 and racist sentiments against it remaining to this day in some places, the number of biracial and multiracial Americans is relatively small at less than 5 million. Although it includes a number of high-profile celebrities and athletes like Tiger Woods, Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter, Vin Diesel and Halle Berry, it’s well under 2 percent of the nation’s current 302 million residents.

LOL..it's not propaganda, it's science. Even those that had so called pure bred Anglo-Saxon heritage discovered that they had DNA from all over the world. Sorry to burst your bubble...but the racial stuff is totally superficial and meaningless. If you are thinking that there is something special about you because of the colour of your skin or the shape of your eyes you are sadly mistaken. This scientific analysis was taken of people who thought they were 100% Anglo-Saxon..not even just white. No mixing..nothing. Remember..your DNA goes further back from just your relatives who were born in America...and from the look of you I would say your ancestry would have some Arab and Mediterranean in it. ;)

Here's a famous example of someone who was blacker than they thought: DNA pioneer James Watson is blacker than he thought

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Reality Internet Personality

Very true Esme.

The lesson is to be careful of what you say, and the context it might come back and bite you!

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

I laugh when I hear propaganda like that.

Your quoted article refers to the number of Americans who claim a multiracial heritage. Widespread DNA testing reveals a different picture, as described in this article.

"Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes."

What one claims to be and what one is may be quite different. You may laugh as much as you like at what you perceive to be propaganda, but modern science is showing that humans across the globe are genetically considerably more mixed than you and many others may like to believe.

Less than 50 km from where I live is a site known as the Cradle of Humankind. This World Heritage Site is home to some of the earliest hominid fossils yet discovered. This is where all of humankind evolved from, in Africa south of the Sahara. The earliest humans lived in and roamed the very area where I now sit and type this - isn't that a facinating thought? :)

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[quote]I laugh when I hear propaganda like that.

Your quoted article refers to the number of Americans who claim a multiracial heritage. Widespread DNA testing reveals a different picture, as described in this article.

"Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes."

What one claims to be and what one is may be quite different. You may laugh as much as you like at what you perceive to be propaganda, but modern science is showing that humans across the globe are genetically considerably more mixed than you and many others may like to believe.

true, and that´s why you should not skip lessons in school so you can read and be able to do some skeptic thinking and, surprise, logical thinking lead you to same conclusion, but it has to be that the schooling system is little bit on bad tracks cause people can finish their school without learning to think. by the way what was the topic in a first place, oil in politics is always goos to start a debate

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

This msnbc article, dated May 2008, puts the number of multiracial Americans at less than 5 million.

yes. that was great example of scientific proof, or something... or not

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

the schooling system is little bit on bad tracks cause people can finish their school without learning to think.

Say it isn't so... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Gee......might this have something to do with the fact that this country was founded by straight white Christian males???

If it were that reason OR any other, would that make it any less a part of my heritage?

I remember a brilliant programme they showed here about people like you who hated other races and were proud of their white heritage. They did DNA test to trace their ancestry and discovered that none of them were actually of strictly white heritage (whatever that means)..and that there were made up of all sorts of races that they despised.

I have to admit I laughed my head off at the looks on their faces when they found out they weren't strictly white British.

I laugh when I hear propaganda like that.

This msnbc article, dated May 2008, puts the number of multiracial Americans at less than 5 million.

With interracial marriage illegal in 16 states until 1967 and racist sentiments against it remaining to this day in some places, the number of biracial and multiracial Americans is relatively small at less than 5 million. Although it includes a number of high-profile celebrities and athletes like Tiger Woods, Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter, Vin Diesel and Halle Berry, it’s well under 2 percent of the nation’s current 302 million residents.

LOL..it's not propaganda, it's science. Even those that had so called pure bred Anglo-Saxon heritage discovered that they had DNA from all over the world. Sorry to burst your bubble...but the racial stuff is totally superficial and meaningless. If you are thinking that there is something special about you because of the colour of your skin or the shape of your eyes you are sadly mistaken. This scientific analysis was taken of people who thought they were 100% Anglo-Saxon..not even just white. No mixing..nothing. Remember..your DNA goes further back from just your relatives who were born in America...and from the look of you I would say your ancestry would have some Arab and Mediterranean in it. ;)

Here's a famous example of someone who was blacker than they thought: DNA pioneer James Watson is blacker than he thought

Well seeing as how it is believed that all life began in Africa, it stands to reason that all human beings have African DNA....the problem you seem to be over looking is the several millions of years of evolution that has taken place between then and now.

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[quote]I laugh when I hear propaganda like that.

Your quoted article refers to the number of Americans who claim a multiracial heritage. Widespread DNA testing reveals a different picture, as described in this article.

"Yet, as millions of Americans take DNA tests, they are discovering a surprising truth: America's strict racial lines are, in fact, blurred. One-third of white Americans, according to some tests, will possess between two and 20 per cent African genes."

So what you're saying here is at least 2/3rds, or well over half of white America, doesn't have any trace of African genes.

Imagine my surprise.

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You know, this brings up an interesting topic....for me anyway.

How is it that you're utilizing DNA to identify the racial make-up of people, when according to you liberals, we are all human and biologically no different from any other human being.

What a tangled web we weave...

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You know, this brings up an interesting topic....for me anyway.

How is it that you're utilizing DNA to identify the racial make-up of people, when according to you liberals, we are all human and biologically no different from any other human being.

What a tangled web we weave...

We often use the term "Human race" but since we (homosapiens) are the only form of humanoids the term "race" has no real value.

Racists tend to divide us humans up into "races" so that they can suggest that one group (colour) is better than another.

For me the use of DNA does not divide humans into different races.

For me we are a single form of being.

But we do have a long path through history and have slightly different forms and a vast range of ethnic and cultural expressions.

DNA has helped us understand that we have all come from the same family.

Am I liberal for knowing regardless of colour, shape, size that we all have the same potential?

Being able to decode and use DNA evidence is an excellent tool.

We no longer have to accept fascists who believe they are born of a pure 'race'.. We can DNA test them.. All purists will fail...



You and I may well be related within the past 10 or 20 generations or earlier :o)~.

Scary hey.


(PS: BrainSmashR: From your Avatars and a photo I saw of you I wondered if you had French ancestors? Am I wrong?)

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From your Avatars and a photo I saw of you I wondered if [snip]

Looks can be deceiving... ;)

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