http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4

How will this affect our crunchers??

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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4

How will this affect our crunchers??

Unknown, It's supposed to be just for New customers, But I don't trust them to do that as their in need of money as their being cut loose from their AOL TimeWarners shackles I've heard. I'm currently a Verizon DSL customer, Although I have been a TWC customer in the past as I live in TWC territory.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4

How will this affect our crunchers??

Just another example of corporate greed. Back to the days of Dialup and so many minutes...Seems they are going backwards, of course our government doesn't allow for competition in the cable industry so they will do as they like and the people in their area are screwed.

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Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons...
And no good credit hound!

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4

How will this affect our crunchers??

Just another example of corporate greed. Back to the days of Dial up and so many minutes...Seems they are going backwards, of course our government doesn't allow for competition in the cable industry so they will do as they like and the people in their area are screwed.

Unless You are of course one of the lucky few to be in range of DSL or FiOS, Otherwise yep, You're screwed, glued and tattooed. :D As Dial up is dying there maybe a long distance charge for the call, Of course there is always Satellite Broadband, If You have the income for Satellite that is and they have caps of their own.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4

How will this affect our crunchers??

Just another example of corporate greed. Back to the days of Dial up and so many minutes...Seems they are going backwards, of course our government doesn't allow for competition in the cable industry so they will do as they like and the people in their area are screwed.

Unless You are of course one of the lucky few to be in range of DSL or FiOS, Otherwise yep, You're screwed, glued and tattooed. :D As Dial up is dying there maybe a long distance charge for the call, Of course there is always Satellite Broadband, If You have the income for Satellite that is and they have caps of their own.

I have DSL also with price guarentee for life...like that means anything.

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Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons...
And no good credit hound!

I have DSL also with price guarentee for life...like that means anything.

To bad most companies consider a "lifetime guarantee" as one that only applies until they decide to kill it. So many contracts are written with the business being able to change the terms on a whim. Too bad the customer is so often shafted by the business greed of the corporation.

I can understand having to cover infrastructure costs associated with abusers of the systems. Heck, I used to download 10-15 Gig per night. But it seems to me that the arbtrary limits that TW has supposedly chosen are horribly low. Especially with the technology just burgeoning to support Video on demand after consumers started to embrace doing their Telephone service over IP... So, it seems to me this could imply that "Free Long Distance" included with their phone service may only be free until you talk for too many minutes as well... ;-)

I have DSL also with price guarantee for life...like that means anything.

To bad most companies consider a "lifetime guarantee" as one that only applies until they decide to kill it. So many contracts are written with the business being able to change the terms on a whim. Too bad the customer is so often shafted by the business greed of the corporation.

I can understand having to cover infrastructure costs associated with abusers of the systems. Heck, I used to download 10-15 Gig per night. But it seems to me that the arbitrary limits that TW has supposedly chosen are horribly low. Especially with the technology just burgeoning to support Video on demand after consumers started to embrace doing their Telephone service over IP... So, it seems to me this could imply that "Free Long Distance" included with their phone service may only be free until you talk for too many minutes as well... ;-)

Me I have Verizon for Phone and DSL and I have Dish Network for TV(HDTV too), And I'm happy with their service, Besides dealing w/substandard TW phone service(It worked, But It had interference problems and that's why I went back to Verizon), If they didn't act like this with their billing changes(TV and Now Internet) then I'd just have TWC and have only one bill, But like I said I like what I like, So I'll stick with the ones I have now as they work pretty good and their not interested in alienating their customer base, Unlike TWC which seems to like doing so in the name of more money.

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If limits are imposed, then there must be a way to turn off unwanted content such as advertising. When I visit local weather sites and they automagically start up streaming ad videos that I do not want, why should I be forced to pay for the bandwidth they consume?

Regulation on website content will become mandatory. This enforcement is not aimed at casual web surfing, but at those who abuse bandwith by DLing major porn from newsgroups and other multimedia content. Make the streamers pay, but do not penalize the rest of us.

I'm part of a group of many whose service was switched between Comcast and TimeWarner last year as part of the Adelphia settlement. I'm saddened to now be a Comcast customer as my rates have increased and service has decreased. When my cable goes out it is typically a 5 day wait for a service call.

Does this affect SETI usage? Only Hiamps with his BOINC Button abuse ;-)

Regards,
JDWhale

I got fed up with Comcast several months ago. I had DirecTV installed and enjoy better quality and more HD channels for the same price. Would you believe that Comcast had the gall to charge me a "one time" fee ($30.00) to remove the tv service from my account? Now the only service I get from Comcast is internet. If they start messing with the internet service, I will be gone!

If limits are imposed, then there must be a way to turn off unwanted content such as advertising. When I visit local weather sites and they automagically start up streaming ad videos that I do not want, why should I be forced to pay for the bandwidth they consume?

Regulation on website content will become mandatory. This enforcement is not aimed at casual web surfing, but at those who abuse bandwith by DLing major porn from newsgroups and other multimedia content. Make the streamers pay, but do not penalize the rest of us.

I'm part of a group of many whose service was switched between Comcast and TimeWarner last year as part of the Adelphia settlement. I'm saddened to now be a Comcast customer as my rates have increased and service has decreased. When my cable goes out it is typically a 5 day wait for a service call.

Does this affect SETI usage? Only Hiamps with his BOINC Button abuse ;-)

Regards,
JDWhale

I agree with the point about disabling unwanted content. It should be treated no differently than the federal regulations that make it illegal to make telemarketing calls to Cell-Phones (because most Cell-Phone Subscribers pay for incoming calls, so the TM is not allowed to cost unwilling targets financial burden.) And the similar regulation making blind-box faxing illegal due to the financial burden of the receipt of the call being placed, without permission, on the recipient.

As far as how this impacts SETI usage... How many 366K WU's in a Gig? Roughly 3000, so a month full bore at the 100 WU/day limit per CORE. You better be careful there JD, you'll find folks dropping their participation because of the increased cost of connectivity rather than power. :-)

It'll probably affect other projects with much larger WU sizes before SETI though.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4

How will this affect our crunchers??

This is the direct result of BitTorrent and the rampant P2P file sharing that some users (per the article, 5%) do.

If 5% of your user base accounts for 50% of your bandwidth, then you either have to charge the other 95% more, or you have to do something to bring the high-bandwidth users in line with your pricing.

They're talking $1/gigabyte.

As far as disabling advertising, the whole BitTorrent mess said that providers must not filter -- that means it is up to the end user to do any filtering you might need.

Remember that this is targeted at that upper 5%. I would expect the average user will not have to pay for extra bandwidth.

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Well, thankfully I have DSL now, had cable for a few years, but then something they did started causing dropped packets and killing my ssh connections to work. I tend to listen to the radio via the 'net all day while working, so this would be a possible issue for me if I still had cable.

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Well, thankfully I have DSL now, had cable for a few years, but then something they did started causing dropped packets and killing my ssh connections to work. I tend to listen to the radio via the 'net all day while working, so this would be a possible issue for me if I still had cable.

DSL providers have the same issue, the only difference is the peak (burst) speed.

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Well, thankfully I have DSL now, had cable for a few years, but then something they did started causing dropped packets and killing my ssh connections to work. I tend to listen to the radio via the 'net all day while working, so this would be a possible issue for me if I still had cable.

DSL providers have the same issue, the only difference is the peak (burst) speed.

Not sure what you're referring to, the issue I was referring to is the "metered service", which is said to be unlikely for DSL providers. My issue would be that I stream radio 6 - 8 hours a day, plus I've started watching stuff on Netflix, so it seems like I could easily hit a "meter" barrier and get charged more - if I still had cable and they implemented one.
The problem I was having with ssh disappeared when I switched from cable to DSL, the cable company worked on it for about 10 months and was never able to explain or fix it, if that's what you're referring to.

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Well, thankfully I have DSL now, had cable for a few years, but then something they did started causing dropped packets and killing my ssh connections to work. I tend to listen to the radio via the 'net all day while working, so this would be a possible issue for me if I still had cable.

DSL providers have the same issue, the only difference is the peak (burst) speed.

Not sure what you're referring to, the issue I was referring to is the "metered service", which is said to be unlikely for DSL providers. My issue would be that I stream radio 6 - 8 hours a day, plus I've started watching stuff on Netflix, so it seems like I could easily hit a "meter" barrier and get charged more - if I still had cable and they implemented one.
The problem I was having with ssh disappeared when I switched from cable to DSL, the cable company worked on it for about 10 months and was never able to explain or fix it, if that's what you're referring to.

The issue: 5% of users taking up 50% of the available bandwidth. Since the EFF doesn't want ISPs to block (or shape bandwidth), the only alternative is to allow file sharing and servers, and charge for overages.

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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_time_warner_cable_internet.html?.v=4

How will this affect our crunchers??

In Australia we already have quotas. Some ISP's throttle the speed when you exceed your monthly quota and others charge an excess fee per Mb over your allowance (as proposed by Time Warner). There are very few ISP's that offer plans without quotas.

An ISP called TPG has a concept of peak and off-peak hours (off peak being like 1am to 6am) with different allowances for peak and off-peak. Exceed the limits and they charge an excess fee per Mb.

I am currently on a plan that gives 25Gb per month and throttles the speed back to 28k if you exceed it. It costs $69.95 (AUD) a month and speed is 1.5Mbit/sec.

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Looks like the enforcement of monthly limits is an international thing.

In the UK the ISPs are moaning that they have not the capacity to cope with the BBC iPlayer or other TV channel downloads. They think the TV channels should pay for the excess.

What this boils down to is the ISPs have cut their user charges so low they cannot afford, or will not, to upgrade bandwidth, unlike other European countries.

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Sounds like restraint of trade, to me. Why aren't those boneheads in DC railing against curtailing our right to information? There is no reason to follow Europe with this type of policy. We US "cowboys" should demand more of DC and the cable monopolists-- where are the petitions to sign? Has bamaOBama a position on this? (Not that it would matter- the guy will say anything to give the brain-dead smiley faces.) Jeez, I'd be P_ssed if this charge went into place; a precedent is a precedent and in the future we will all use more internet. Jumping off a building now...
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The issue: 5% of users taking up 50% of the available bandwidth. Since the EFF doesn't want ISPs to block (or shape bandwidth), the only alternative is to allow file sharing and servers, and charge for overages.

Ah, gotcha...

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WOW, take a look around People ..... companies in the US are jumping on the OIL Bandwagon and nobody could care .... look at the WORDS they use .... They all start with the same thing ... "they pay more than that overseas" & "they meter bandwidth overseas" .... Why do I as an American give a rats Azz what the prices and policies are in another country????? I DON'T .... not to be insensitive or anything but the more we just accept and not do anthing about then the more they are going to push the lines and limits.

just my .02

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