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Message 737489 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 22:35:36 UTC

By the way, I found that speakeasy gives me better test results: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

My results are larger by 20 mbits : http://abrau.durso.googlepages.com/untitled5387.jpg
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Message 737493 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 22:41:42 UTC - in response to Message 737483.  

This is what I get at the University Dorms:









This is taken within 5 minutes of each other from different servers...

Oh yeah, I am currently @ UCLA...

I just wish that at home I would get these speeds...

4ms, I'm almost jealous, But I can dream. :)
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Message 737501 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 23:04:10 UTC



advertised internet speed : 1600/500 kbit/s | € 19,95 p/mnd (+$25)



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Message 737511 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 23:20:34 UTC - in response to Message 737187.  

What is your guy's advertised internet speed vs your actual one and how much are you paying for it?
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Advertised: 53 kbps
Actual: typically 38 to 45 kbps
Paying: $16.95 U.S. / month

... Just thought I'd remind you that not everybody lives where broadband is available, and what a bargain it is if you need to transfer a lot of data.
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My Brother got satellite internet and I guess it works about everywhere. Not sure what he pays but I bet it is more than my DSL. Have a T1 in my Los Angeles store. My DSL is supposed to be 6MB but am lucky to see 3.5MB
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Message 737524 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 23:32:16 UTC - in response to Message 737512.  
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What is your guy's advertised internet speed vs your actual one and how much are you paying for it?
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Advertised: 53 kbps
Actual: typically 38 to 45 kbps
Paying: $16.95 U.S. / month

... Just thought I'd remind you that not everybody lives where broadband is available, and what a bargain it is if you need to transfer a lot of data.
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My Brother got satellite internet and I guess it works about everywhere. Not sure what he pays but I bet it is more than my DSL. Have a T1 in my Los Angeles store. My DSL is supposed to be 6MB but am lucky to see 3.5MB I believe I pay $39.95 month

I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......
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Message 737527 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 23:39:06 UTC
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~7 mbits down and ~.7 mbits up paying $50 US dollars a month. I have DSL in a very old house with basic old phone lines. Advertised rate was between 6 and 10 mbit, so I'm cool with my true speed.
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Message 737604 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 1:15:07 UTC - in response to Message 737524.  

What is your guy's advertised internet speed vs your actual one and how much are you paying for it?
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Advertised: 53 kbps
Actual: typically 38 to 45 kbps
Paying: $16.95 U.S. / month

... Just thought I'd remind you that not everybody lives where broadband is available, and what a bargain it is if you need to transfer a lot of data.
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My Brother got satellite internet and I guess it works about everywhere. Not sure what he pays but I bet it is more than my DSL. Have a T1 in my Los Angeles store. My DSL is supposed to be 6MB but am lucky to see 3.5MB I believe I pay $39.95 month

I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!
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Message 737612 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 1:19:37 UTC - in response to Message 737350.  

Hmmm, just a bit disappointed here. Must be kinda busy on the network at the moment...


So, this is what I get from home. RR just recently added tiered service, and where I used to get 4200 Down, 768 Up, I now only get this. Still, for $45 a month I'm not going to complain too much. Considering that the government made sure we don't have options in this part of the state. (And I'm too far from a CO to go DSL...)



Now that it's off hours, I get this from the office:

From recommended site:


From Ozz's Chicago site:


So, considering I spend about 13 hours a day at the office, and most of the time I spend at home I'm asleep, I'll take the "no expense to me" bandwith anytime. IIRC though, the last time I heard, it was roughly $10,000 a month for the pipe at work. 100 mbit burstable (synchronous) to the internet.
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Message 737674 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 4:37:20 UTC

This is night, i guess people are uploading BitTorrent here at the dorms...
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Message 737690 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 6:00:57 UTC - in response to Message 737222.  

Residing in Wellington, New Zealand...
Dial Up :P $17.95 (US$14.00~) Advertised as 56kb/s down...

ISP: Telecom New Zealand....

Recent Test with speedtest.net returned these results:

42kb/s down
127kb/s up



I'm in blenheim new zealand we r on orcon broard band, 3mbit/s d 128k/sup i've seen donwloads at 1.1mbit/s. we pay %9.95/mo for 20gb cap
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Message 737869 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 15:04:25 UTC - in response to Message 737604.  
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I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!


Sure, that'll be no problem for cable. Heard of DOCSIS 3.0? Will be able to scale up to 160Mbp/s downstream. They are currently testing DOCSIS 3.0 in the Twin Cities, but its only at 50Mbp/s downstream and uploads are capped at 5Mbp/s @ 150/mo.

Too pricey for me, but once it gets mainstream, I'm sure the price will come down and the speeds will go up.
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Message 737870 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 15:09:21 UTC - in response to Message 737612.  

So, considering I spend about 13 hours a day at the office, and most of the time I spend at home I'm asleep, I'll take the "no expense to me" bandwith anytime. IIRC though, the last time I heard, it was roughly $10,000 a month for the pipe at work. 100 mbit burstable (synchronous) to the internet.


Hmmm... that's not exactly fair either. The original question seemed to imply what our 'personal' internet connection is and how much we pay for it. Dorms, government pipes and business class internet are all being paid for by someone else (even if in some indirect way you're paying for a fraction of it).

Seems a few of us let the competitive side try to show 'how fast our internet was' instead of the internet we actually owned and paid for ourselves.
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Message 737871 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 15:09:40 UTC - in response to Message 737869.  
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I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!


Sure, that'll be no problem for cable. Heard of DOCSIS 3.0? Will be able to scale up to 160Mbp/s downstream. They are currently testing DOCSIS 3.0 in the Twin Cities, but its only at 50Mbp/s downstream and uploads are capped at 5Mbp/s @ 150/mo.

Too pricey for me, but once it gets mainstream, I'm sure the price will come down and the speeds will go up.

This is quite fast enough for me........I don't do any major file downloading of music or vids......a few youtube clips here and there.....
I find in my cruising the net that I am usually waiting on the response of the servers....some are faster than others, so when I hit a slow one, I know it's not my bandwidth that is taking it's time.....
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Message 737875 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 15:13:03 UTC - in response to Message 737871.  

This is quite fast enough for me........I don't do any major file downloading of music or vids......a few youtube clips here and there.....
I find in my cruising the net that I am usually waiting on the response of the servers....some are faster than others, so when I hit a slow one, I know it's not my bandwidth that is taking it's time.....


Quite true. A lot of high speed internet connections (assuming you can actually get them in your area) are faster than some business class solutions that the servers are attached to. Then there are the servers that limit each connection's ability to download so as to not have a single user dominate all their bandwidth.

However, I do a lot of legal downloading of large files (software/video), so the faster I can go, the better it is for me.
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Message 737893 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 15:43:19 UTC - in response to Message 737869.  
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I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!


Sure, that'll be no problem for cable. Heard of DOCSIS 3.0? Will be able to scale up to 160Mbp/s downstream. They are currently testing DOCSIS 3.0 in the Twin Cities, but its only at 50Mbp/s downstream and uploads are capped at 5Mbp/s @ 150/mo.

Too pricey for me, but once it gets mainstream, I'm sure the price will come down and the speeds will go up.

Actually GPON is capable of much faster speeds than a mere 160Mbp/s, Try 2,289Mbp/s, Now do ya have enough fiber? ;)
Here's a link to where I found the 2,289 number at.
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Message 737904 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 15:53:08 UTC - in response to Message 737870.  

Hmmm... that's not exactly fair either. The original question seemed to imply what our 'personal' internet connection is and how much we pay for it. Dorms, government pipes and business class internet are all being paid for by someone else (even if in some indirect way you're paying for a fraction of it).

Seems a few of us let the competitive side try to show 'how fast our internet was' instead of the internet we actually owned and paid for ourselves.


LOL. So I'll agree with the foul call. But I did include what I am actally paying for once I got where I could verify it. And the math is easy to see that even the poor connection I get at home is much more cost effective per byte than what I have ready access to under normal circumstances.
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Message 737913 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 16:04:10 UTC - in response to Message 737893.  

I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!


Sure, that'll be no problem for cable. Heard of DOCSIS 3.0? Will be able to scale up to 160Mbp/s downstream. They are currently testing DOCSIS 3.0 in the Twin Cities, but its only at 50Mbp/s downstream and uploads are capped at 5Mbp/s @ 150/mo.

Too pricey for me, but once it gets mainstream, I'm sure the price will come down and the speeds will go up.

Actually GPON is capable of much faster speeds than a mere 160Mbp/s, Try 2,289Mbp/s, Now do ya have enough fiber? ;)
Here's a link to where I found the 2,289 number at.


Fair enough, but which one do you think will get rolled out first? GPON or DOCSIS 3.0? My bet is on DOCSIS since most of their servers just need a little upgrading as opposed to trying to run Fiber to the premises of each and every home like FiOS.

See this article by ArsTechnica's Nate Anderson on why fiber will be the clear winner over other technologies.
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Message 737933 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 16:24:21 UTC - in response to Message 737913.  
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I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!


Sure, that'll be no problem for cable. Heard of DOCSIS 3.0? Will be able to scale up to 160Mbp/s downstream. They are currently testing DOCSIS 3.0 in the Twin Cities, but its only at 50Mbp/s downstream and uploads are capped at 5Mbp/s @ 150/mo.

Too pricey for me, but once it gets mainstream, I'm sure the price will come down and the speeds will go up.

Actually GPON is capable of much faster speeds than a mere 160Mbp/s, Try 2,289Mbp/s, Now do ya have enough fiber? ;)
Here's a link to where I found the 2,289 number at.


Fair enough, but which one do you think will get rolled out first? GPON or DOCSIS 3.0? My bet is on DOCSIS since most of their servers just need a little upgrading as opposed to trying to run Fiber to the premises of each and every home like FiOS.

See this article by ArsTechnica's Nate Anderson on why fiber will be the clear winner over other technologies.

That's easy, GPON, As Verizon is rolling It out now and their going to upgrade their existing network from BPON to GPON. I found this last week and had to hunt for It again, I found the link to It here. The best part of this is the Fiber that's already laid doesn't need an upgrade, Just the electronics that transmit and receive do. :)
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Message 737941 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 16:36:29 UTC - in response to Message 737933.  

I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!


Sure, that'll be no problem for cable. Heard of DOCSIS 3.0? Will be able to scale up to 160Mbp/s downstream. They are currently testing DOCSIS 3.0 in the Twin Cities, but its only at 50Mbp/s downstream and uploads are capped at 5Mbp/s @ 150/mo.

Too pricey for me, but once it gets mainstream, I'm sure the price will come down and the speeds will go up.

Actually GPON is capable of much faster speeds than a mere 160Mbp/s, Try 2,289Mbp/s, Now do ya have enough fiber? ;)
Here's a link to where I found the 2,289 number at.


Fair enough, but which one do you think will get rolled out first? GPON or DOCSIS 3.0? My bet is on DOCSIS since most of their servers just need a little upgrading as opposed to trying to run Fiber to the premises of each and every home like FiOS.

See this article by ArsTechnica's Nate Anderson on why fiber will be the clear winner over other technologies.

That's easy, GPON, As Verizon is rolling It out now and their going to upgrade their existing network from BPON to GPON. I found this last week and had to hunt for It again, I found the link to It here. The best part of this is the Fiber that's already laid doesn't need an upgrade, Just the electronics that transmit and receive do. :)


The problem is, their existing network isn't very big, and expanding it is going to cost billions of USD$. Unless they can get some ROI, I don't see how their existing business model is going to hold out.

Sure, the BPON to GPON won't require much, but its going to be trying to expand that network which is going to be costly. FiOS might be good in smaller areas that can get it, but cable is going to be the best option for most people.

And if Comcast switches their entire TV service to TV over IP, their existing infrastructure can handle up to 3.2Tbps (yes, Terabits!). Moving to TV over IP will allow them to use more bonded channels for internet technologies, i.e. offering faster speeds to their customers. Let's see GPON beat that.
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Message 737953 - Posted: 12 Apr 2008, 16:54:29 UTC - in response to Message 737941.  

I paid almost $80.00/ month for ISDN service until they got enough fibre dragged into my neighborhood to support DSL......
ISDN was kinda a step in between dial up and true DSL.....still required a special modem that didn't look much different than a dial up US Robotics.....but it was the fastest service I could get at the time......
Now I get 6016/768 DSL on the same silly-**s copper pair that has been feeding my home since '54 when it was built....for about $36.00/month......go figger.......

Yeah, go figure, In any case 6-7.1 are at the max that DSL will do without being bonded together, Just what You need two lines, If You were in Verizon territory I'd say get FiOS If It was available as their putting in GPON equipment and testing out 100M down(I have no idea what the upload speed would be, maybe 5M or 10M maybe?), Let's see cable keep up with that!


Sure, that'll be no problem for cable. Heard of DOCSIS 3.0? Will be able to scale up to 160Mbp/s downstream. They are currently testing DOCSIS 3.0 in the Twin Cities, but its only at 50Mbp/s downstream and uploads are capped at 5Mbp/s @ 150/mo.

Too pricey for me, but once it gets mainstream, I'm sure the price will come down and the speeds will go up.

Actually GPON is capable of much faster speeds than a mere 160Mbp/s, Try 2,289Mbp/s, Now do ya have enough fiber? ;)
Here's a link to where I found the 2,289 number at.


Fair enough, but which one do you think will get rolled out first? GPON or DOCSIS 3.0? My bet is on DOCSIS since most of their servers just need a little upgrading as opposed to trying to run Fiber to the premises of each and every home like FiOS.

See this article by ArsTechnica's Nate Anderson on why fiber will be the clear winner over other technologies.

That's easy, GPON, As Verizon is rolling It out now and their going to upgrade their existing network from BPON to GPON. I found this last week and had to hunt for It again, I found the link to It here. The best part of this is the Fiber that's already laid doesn't need an upgrade, Just the electronics that transmit and receive do. :)


The problem is, their existing network isn't very big, and expanding it is going to cost billions of USD$. Unless they can get some ROI, I don't see how their existing business model is going to hold out.

Sure, the BPON to GPON won't require much, but its going to be trying to expand that network which is going to be costly. FiOS might be good in smaller areas that can get it, but cable is going to be the best option for most people.

And if Comcast switches their entire TV service to TV over IP, their existing infrastructure can handle up to 3.2Tbps (yes, Terabits!). Moving to TV over IP will allow them to use more bonded channels for internet technologies, i.e. offering faster speeds to their customers. Let's see GPON beat that.

Verizons FiOS covers several states and NewYork is being outfitted as I speak. FiOS doesn't have any of the old distance limits of the old copper based technology, So I'm not really worried. Verizon has said they plan to have all their territory upgraded to FiOS in 10 years and that was between 1 and 2 years ago and FiOS is able to add in multi unit places thanks to the tightly bendable fiber optic cable that was mentioned a while back on dslreports.com(Sorry I'd have to do a Google search for that, Which I've tried already). but by 2010 Verizon should have passed 23 million homes according to this place here and Verizon is even making a profit too, Sure It's only 10% right now, But that is to be expected as It's costin Verizon a bundle to deploy FiOS. :D Of course once It's in place.... It'll be time to play Ketchup. ;)
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