wars only start out of either greed, or false pride (or both). So let false pride and greed get out of the heads of all humans, and there will be no more war anymore :P

I think it would be safe to assume that by 'greed' you do not mean those anti capitalist ideas of socialism, fascism, raw tribalism, communism, etc that advocate using force to seize what belongs rightfully to others in order to 'fairly' redistribute it for the 'common or higher' good?

I suspect, and fairly so, that when you use the word 'greed' it is an aspersion against those that refuse to cooperate with collectivist schemes and live in freedom instead. (as evidence: any of your past posts praising the aims and general system practiced by EAST Germany).

Here's a free word of advice for any rational men out there: When you hear anyone claiming their only goal is the mere pursuit of any 'public or higher' good and morality RUN like hell.

---

Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

wars only start out of either greed, or false pride (or both). So let false pride and greed get out of the heads of all humans, and there will be no more war anymore :P

I think it would be safe to assume that by 'greed' you do not mean those anti capitalist ideas of socialism, fascism, raw tribalism, communism, etc that advocate using force to seize what belongs rightfully to others in order to 'fairly' redistribute it for the 'common or higher' good?

I suspect, and fairly so, that when you use the word 'greed' it is an aspersion against those that refuse to cooperate with collectivist schemes and live in freedom instead. (as evidence: any of your past posts praising the aims and general system practiced by EAST Germany).

Here's a free word of advice for any rational men out there: When you hear anyone claiming their only goal is the mere pursuit of any 'public or higher' good and morality RUN like hell.

Well, you can suspect what you want, but I know what greed is, and I know what pride is - as being 2 of the 7 cardinal sins.

Greed:
Greed is the selfish desire for or pursuit of money, wealth, food, or other possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others.

Pride:
Pride is the name of an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with. To think of self higher than anyone and everyone else.

Accentuations by me

---

Account frozen...

wars only start out of either greed, or false pride (or both). So let false pride and greed get out of the heads of all humans, and there will be no more war anymore :P

I think it would be safe to assume that by 'greed' you do not mean those anti capitalist ideas of socialism, fascism, raw tribalism, communism, etc that advocate using force to seize what belongs rightfully to others in order to 'fairly' redistribute it for the 'common or higher' good?

I suspect, and fairly so, that when you use the word 'greed' it is an aspersion against those that refuse to cooperate with collectivist schemes and live in freedom instead. (as evidence: any of your past posts praising the aims and general system practiced by EAST Germany).

Here's a free word of advice for any rational men out there: When you hear anyone claiming their only goal is the mere pursuit of any 'public or higher' good and morality RUN like hell.

Well, you can suspect what you want, but I know what greed is, and I know what pride is - as being 2 of the 7 cardinal sins.

Greed:
Greed is the selfish desire for or pursuit of money, wealth, food, or other possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others.

Pride:
Pride is the name of an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with. To think of self higher than anyone and everyone else.

Accentuations by me

You STILL won't address the point will you? I chooose, and rational men like Rush do as well, to place ourselves above others in a certain moral context. You are the one that refuses to allow 'peace'. You cite 'god' and bible verses. You cite 'society' and 'community'...and continue to preach that WE are the 'eeeeeeeeeeeeevil' ones.

Aristotle called 'Pride' the 'crown of all virtues'...Rand summed it as the 'sum of all virtues'. You decry it as a SIN.

Guess what? You and your altruism needthe egoist. You neeeed us. Yet you deride every virtue as evil that produces for you and your collectivists slime molds that which you demand as a right. So much for your altruism. Because when we refuse to cooperate out comes your Berlin Wall (which, sir, I still remind you that you praise as a 'necessary evil') in order to make your sick murderous state of terror operate.

Answer just ONE question. I will dare you to do so.

Does man have the right to exist for his own sake? Does he have the right to exist for his own happiness and purposes, to pursue his own goals and achievements, to find his own values free of your force and able to prosper without your thugs and police batons?

Does man have a right to his own BODY!? Or is it subject to your collectivist 'voting rights' and especially, Thorin, your Christian God? Regardless of your answer you should get out of the good moral egoists people's way.

Yes, or no.

---

Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Aristotle called 'Pride' the 'crown of all virtues'...Rand summed it as the 'sum of all virtues'. You decry it as a SIN.

Actually, God decried 'pride' as a sin... My God offers eternal life, what does Aristotle offer? ;)

(BTW-My God says that you are free to do as you wish, and that He will deal with you later.)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Aristotle called 'Pride' the 'crown of all virtues'...Rand summed it as the 'sum of all virtues'. You decry it as a SIN.

Actually, God decried it a sin... My God offers eternal life, what does Aristotle offer? ;)

(BTW-My God says that you are free to do as you wish, He will deal with you later.)

Whatever it is it's not imaginary. Thanks for your threats of 'allah dealing with me later' though, Jeffrey.

---

Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Thanks for your threats of 'allah dealing with me later' though, Jeffrey.

Aww, whatsamatter, scared of an imaginary God? That's not very rational... ;)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

wars only start out of either greed, or false pride (or both). So let false pride and greed get out of the heads of all humans, and there will be no more war anymore :P

I think it would be safe to assume that by 'greed' you do not mean those anti capitalist ideas of socialism, fascism, raw tribalism, communism, etc that advocate using force to seize what belongs rightfully to others in order to 'fairly' redistribute it for the 'common or higher' good?

I suspect, and fairly so, that when you use the word 'greed' it is an aspersion against those that refuse to cooperate with collectivist schemes and live in freedom instead. (as evidence: any of your past posts praising the aims and general system practiced by EAST Germany).

Here's a free word of advice for any rational men out there: When you hear anyone claiming their only goal is the mere pursuit of any 'public or higher' good and morality RUN like hell.

Well, you can suspect what you want, but I know what greed is, and I know what pride is - as being 2 of the 7 cardinal sins.

Greed:
Greed is the selfish desire for or pursuit of money, wealth, food, or other possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others.

Pride:
Pride is the name of an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with. To think of self higher than anyone and everyone else.

Accentuations by me

You STILL won't address the point will you? I chooose, and rational men like Rush do as well, to place ourselves above others in a certain moral context. You are the one that refuses to allow 'peace'. You cite 'god' and bible verses. You cite 'society' and 'community'...and continue to preach that WE are the 'eeeeeeeeeeeeevil' ones.

Aristotle called 'Pride' the 'crown of all virtues'...Rand summed it as the 'sum of all virtues'. You decry it as a SIN.

Guess what? You and your altruism needthe egoist. You neeeed us. Yet you deride every virtue as evil that produces for you and your collectivists slime molds that which you demand as a right. So much for your altruism. Because when we refuse to cooperate out comes your Berlin Wall (which, sir, I still remind you that you praise as a 'necessary evil') in order to make your sick murderous state of terror operate.

Answer just ONE question. I will dare you to do so.

Does man have the right to exist for his own sake? Does he have the right to exist for his own happiness and purposes, to pursue his own goals and achievements, to find his own values free of your force and able to prosper without your thugs and police batons?

Does man have a right to his own BODY!? Or is it subject to your collectivist 'voting rights' and especially, Thorin, your Christian God? Regardless of your answer you should get out of the good moral egoists people's way.

Yes, or no.

Here is my answer: Everyone has the right to live for their own happiness or purposes, even to do or refuse to do whatever they want - as long as their deeds or refusals harm no-one else.
To me the "Golden Rule" is the most important rule, independent from all economic systems: "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
Well - I advocate nothing less than that.

---

Account frozen...

wars only start out of either greed, or false pride (or both). So let false pride and greed get out of the heads of all humans, and there will be no more war anymore :P

I think it would be safe to assume that by 'greed' you do not mean those anti capitalist ideas of socialism, fascism, raw tribalism, communism, etc that advocate using force to seize what belongs rightfully to others in order to 'fairly' redistribute it for the 'common or higher' good?

I suspect, and fairly so, that when you use the word 'greed' it is an aspersion against those that refuse to cooperate with collectivist schemes and live in freedom instead. (as evidence: any of your past posts praising the aims and general system practiced by EAST Germany).

Here's a free word of advice for any rational men out there: When you hear anyone claiming their only goal is the mere pursuit of any 'public or higher' good and morality RUN like hell.

Well, you can suspect what you want, but I know what greed is, and I know what pride is - as being 2 of the 7 cardinal sins.

Greed:
Greed is the selfish desire for or pursuit of money, wealth, food, or other possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others.

Pride:
Pride is the name of an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with. To think of self higher than anyone and everyone else.

Accentuations by me

You STILL won't address the point will you? I chooose, and rational men like Rush do as well, to place ourselves above others in a certain moral context. You are the one that refuses to allow 'peace'. You cite 'god' and bible verses. You cite 'society' and 'community'...and continue to preach that WE are the 'eeeeeeeeeeeeevil' ones.

Aristotle called 'Pride' the 'crown of all virtues'...Rand summed it as the 'sum of all virtues'. You decry it as a SIN.

Guess what? You and your altruism needthe egoist. You neeeed us. Yet you deride every virtue as evil that produces for you and your collectivists slime molds that which you demand as a right. So much for your altruism. Because when we refuse to cooperate out comes your Berlin Wall (which, sir, I still remind you that you praise as a 'necessary evil') in order to make your sick murderous state of terror operate.

Answer just ONE question. I will dare you to do so.

Does man have the right to exist for his own sake? Does he have the right to exist for his own happiness and purposes, to pursue his own goals and achievements, to find his own values free of your force and able to prosper without your thugs and police batons?

Does man have a right to his own BODY!? Or is it subject to your collectivist 'voting rights' and especially, Thorin, your Christian God? Regardless of your answer you should get out of the good moral egoists people's way.

Yes, or no.

Here is my answer: Everyone has the right to live for their own happiness or purposes, even to do or refuse to do whatever they want - as long as their deeds or refusals harm no-one else.
To me the "Golden Rule" is the most important rule, independent from all economic systems: "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
Well - I advocate nothing less than that.

Now you're just lying to us. I'm sorry. But it's not possible to believe that after perhaps hundreds of your postings all of a sudden after you became a moderator you have changed your entire ethical system to agree with the peaceful one that repudiates violence and coercions? You've done a full 180 degree turn around and renounced forced socialism and internment camps for homosexuals and political dissidents?

You've done all of this and agreed that it's wrong for those that publish dissenting opinions to be jailed or have their newspapers seized? Really?

Even with all of Jeffrey's proselytizing I don't think you'd ever be converted to peaceful purposes so easily. :-) <----that's a Jeffrey winky.

You still are invited to answer my other questions regarding whether or not it's 'OK by you' to live for my own sake and happiness without consulting with others as a moral privelege but as a right. I eagerly await your reply, sir.

---

Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Here is my answer: Everyone has the right to live for their own happiness or purposes, even to do or refuse to do whatever they want - as long as their deeds or refusals harm no-one else.
To me the "Golden Rule" is the most important rule, independent from all economic systems: "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
Well - I advocate nothing less than that.

If that's what you believe that you advocate, then whatever vestiges of credibility that you might have had have evaporated--you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about.

None.

---

Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Even with all of Jeffrey's proselytizing

I don't proselytize, I educate... ;)

(And during the slow season, I heckle.)

---

It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

@R/B:

wars only start out of either greed, or false pride (or both). So let false pride and greed get out of the heads of all humans, and there will be no more war anymore :P

I think it would be safe to assume that by 'greed' you do not mean those anti capitalist ideas of socialism, fascism, raw tribalism, communism, etc that advocate using force to seize what belongs rightfully to others in order to 'fairly' redistribute it for the 'common or higher' good?

I suspect, and fairly so, that when you use the word 'greed' it is an aspersion against those that refuse to cooperate with collectivist schemes and live in freedom instead. (as evidence: any of your past posts praising the aims and general system practiced by EAST Germany).

Here's a free word of advice for any rational men out there: When you hear anyone claiming their only goal is the mere pursuit of any 'public or higher' good and morality RUN like hell.

Well, you can suspect what you want, but I know what greed is, and I know what pride is - as being 2 of the 7 cardinal sins.

Greed:
Greed is the selfish desire for or pursuit of money, wealth, food, or other possessions, especially when this denies the same goods to others.

Pride:
Pride is the name of an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self-respect, a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with. To think of self higher than anyone and everyone else.

Accentuations by me

You STILL won't address the point will you? I chooose, and rational men like Rush do as well, to place ourselves above others in a certain moral context. You are the one that refuses to allow 'peace'. You cite 'god' and bible verses. You cite 'society' and 'community'...and continue to preach that WE are the 'eeeeeeeeeeeeevil' ones.

Aristotle called 'Pride' the 'crown of all virtues'...Rand summed it as the 'sum of all virtues'. You decry it as a SIN.

Guess what? You and your altruism needthe egoist. You neeeed us. Yet you deride every virtue as evil that produces for you and your collectivists slime molds that which you demand as a right. So much for your altruism. Because when we refuse to cooperate out comes your Berlin Wall (which, sir, I still remind you that you praise as a 'necessary evil') in order to make your sick murderous state of terror operate.

Answer just ONE question. I will dare you to do so.

Does man have the right to exist for his own sake? Does he have the right to exist for his own happiness and purposes, to pursue his own goals and achievements, to find his own values free of your force and able to prosper without your thugs and police batons?

Does man have a right to his own BODY!? Or is it subject to your collectivist 'voting rights' and especially, Thorin, your Christian God? Regardless of your answer you should get out of the good moral egoists people's way.

Yes, or no.

Here is my answer: Everyone has the right to live for their own happiness or purposes, even to do or refuse to do whatever they want - as long as their deeds or refusals harm no-one else.
To me the "Golden Rule" is the most important rule, independent from all economic systems: "Treat others as you would like to be treated."
Well - I advocate nothing less than that.

Now you're just lying to us. I'm sorry. But it's not possible to believe that after perhaps hundreds of your postings all of a sudden after you became a moderator you have changed your entire ethical system to agree with the peaceful one that repudiates violence and coercions? You've done a full 180 degree turn around and renounced forced socialism and internment camps for homosexuals and political dissidents?

You've done all of this and agreed that it's wrong for those that publish dissenting opinions to be jailed or have their newspapers seized? Really?

Even with all of Jeffrey's proselytizing I don't think you'd ever be converted to peaceful purposes so easily. :-) <----that's a Jeffrey winky.

You still are invited to answer my other questions regarding whether or not it's 'OK by you' to live for my own sake and happiness without consulting with others as a moral privelege but as a right. I eagerly await your reply, sir.

No. Now you are in error.

I always repudiated coercion and violence. Show me in all my post history that I advocated any violence. Quite the contrary. Man have you ever really read my posts? Have I ever said that people have to be forced or driven by any force except their own moral standards? Nonetheless, you, and your fellow objectivists always have accused me to be for a Wall and for guns pointed at people (which I always posted against), because I am for a REAL communism - a system which has never really existed in the world throughout the entire written history (except in some short-time experiments in a few rather small areas). Have I ever stated that there have to be secret services spying on people? Nope. Have I advocated a violent revolution? No. Though I admitted that a revolution was and still is needed to get rid of the capitalistic injustice (which is per se in the system), I have said (and still say) that this revolution must happen in the heads of the people, not by weapons.
Have I ever said that there have to be internment camps? Man I am against Guantanamo, then I won't be for other camps like it! Have I ever advocated to prosecute homosexuals or dissidents? I never had.
Just read my posts if you don't believe me. I always advocated tolerance, fair treatment and a peaceful co-existence. The only thing I don't tolerate is injustice and inhuman behavior. And intentionally false accusations.

Have I ever said that the politics as being performed in the GDR and Soviet Union has been good? I have posted some imho good things which have been there (like the free health-care, and the free education, and no unemployment) but I have never stated that the system as it has been was super.
Man, I have seen the good things and the bad things and injustice of two different systems - and though I must admit it was better in GDR than in West Germany in some few subjects I wouldn't want to go back there. They had their chance to throw the good things of both systems together to merge a new one after the re-union, didn't take this chance, Ok I survived it.

And I tried to show up the difference between real communism (which I advocate), the socialistic system as it has been (which I don't advocate), and the Nazi system (which I am against) - 3 systems you don't quit to try to merge together despite they are entirely different ethical and political systems - which, btw, in my opinion only shows your political ignorance.


So, who is the liar here? Just READ my POSTS first and read them well before accusing me such stupid things.

Have I ever said otherwise that where there is a right there is a duty, and that with powers there comes responsibility?
Do what you want - as long as you don't harm anyone else. And treat others as you want to be treated by them. These simple rules are the foundation of all principles I am living, not he principles themselves...

---

Account frozen...

My opinion is that it is more like that chaos and war will rule in our time. The USA seems determined to create high tension in the world. Reminds me of Matt Damon's saying in Syriana that the USA allows political chaos to thrive in the Middle East because it benefits U.S. petroleum companies,"

The World's insatiable thirst for oil nearly assures tensions over that resource will only worsen.

My opinion is that it is more like that chaos and war will rule in our time. The USA seems determined to create high tension in the world. Reminds me of Matt Damon's saying in Syriana that the USA allows political chaos to thrive in the Middle East because it benefits U.S. petroleum companies,"

The World's insatiable thirst for oil nearly assures tensions over that resource will only worsen.

Has anyone ever noticed that when the administration make a major sabre rattle towards Iran the world spot market for crude oil shoots up...?

---

Account frozen...

My opinion is that it is more like that chaos and war will rule in our time. The USA seems determined to create high tension in the world. Reminds me of Matt Damon's saying in Syriana that the USA allows political chaos to thrive in the Middle East because it benefits U.S. petroleum companies,"

The World's insatiable thirst for oil nearly assures tensions over that resource will only worsen.

Has anyone ever noticed that when the administration make a major sabre rattle towards Iran the world spot market for crude oil shoots up...?

Duh...
Why do you suppose that is........
If we tick off Iran, we have gone a bit too far, I think. The political forces in that region would not tolerate or support the same attitude toward Iran that we have had toward Iraq. And if that support goes bye bye.........
You can guess where it could go from there.

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster