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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Editor’s Note: Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department analyst who leaked the secret Pentagon Papers history of the Vietnam War, offered insights into the looming war with Iran and the loss of liberty in the United States at an American University symposium on Sept. 20. And, if you think "looming war with Iran" is overstating things: WASHINGTON, Sept. 26  The Senate approved a resolution today urging the Bush administration to designate Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a foreign terrorist organization So, the US and its allies at war with Iran, a sensible foreign policy? |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
War with Iran? Do they have oil? ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Our troops are overcommitted and underarmed as is in Iraq...going to Iran opens up a second theater and will not work... |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
Our troops are overcommitted and underarmed as is in Iraq...going to Iran opens up a second theater and will not work... Even if your troops were "properly" armed, Iraq is already a disaster like Vietnam has been for the States - both militarily and politically, and invading Iran would be even a greater disaster. But I think the big boss warlord GWB wouldn't mind and offer even more lives to the MIC. Account frozen... |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
the big boss warlord GWB Hey, don't talk that way about my fearless leader... He's a man of 'faith' ya know... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
the big boss warlord GWB Um, so was Torquemada. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
MAC Send message Joined: 12 Feb 01 Posts: 203 Credit: 58,346 RAC: 0 |
Even though there are worries about Iran I doubt that after the disaster in Iraq there will be a large coalition of the willing. Still the US might win the battle / invasion, but there is no way to keep up public order. You will also probably loose your last allies in the region - no regime will be able to afford standing at the side of the US under this conditions. That leaves strikes on installations as only real option. Halliburton probably won't profit from this - but maybe GWB hopes to create a war effect to influence the vote 2008. |
burnz Send message Joined: 14 Apr 04 Posts: 26 Credit: 178,564 RAC: 0 |
Do they have oil? ;) you bet they got oil |
MAC Send message Joined: 12 Feb 01 Posts: 203 Credit: 58,346 RAC: 0 |
Proved reserves 2006 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872964.html |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
Proved reserves 2006 Rank Country Proved reserves (billion barrels) Wow Canada has even more oil... Maybe next time the US will invade their neighbor for some excuse of a reason? Or is Canada a to mighty opponent if it came to a war? Account frozen... |
MAC Send message Joined: 12 Feb 01 Posts: 203 Credit: 58,346 RAC: 0 |
Hehe, it gets even worse take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_sands Oil sands may represent as much as 2/3 of the world's total petroleum resource, with at least 1.7 trillion barrels (270 km³) in the Canadian Athabasca Oil Sands and perhaps 1.8 trillion barrels (280 km³) in the Venezuelan Orinoco tar sands, compared to 1.75 trillion barrels (278 km³) of conventional oil worldwide, most of it in Saudi Arabia and other Middle-Eastern countries. Between them, the Canadian and Venezuelan deposits contain about 3.6 trillion barrels (422 km³) of oil in place. Invasion of Venezuela and Canada imminent, hrhr :) |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Wow Canada has even more oil... Maybe next time the US will invade their neighbor for some excuse of a reason? Or is Canada a to mighty opponent if it came to a war? Oh Jeebus no, America Junior or the 51st State would roll over in horror. They couldn't defend themselves if they had to, not for very long anyway. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
peanut Send message Joined: 1 Feb 07 Posts: 372 Credit: 1,951,576 RAC: 0 |
Bobby posted this link in the History of Oil thread that I think is very relevant here as well. Iran wants the Euro for Oil not Dollars The article says the "Nuke" that Iran has is that it wants payment for oil with Euros not Dollars. If other countries follow suit, the U.S. dollar could collapse and that would be very bad for the U.S. and those of us who live here. Our whole way of life could be in great danger. It is very believeable that the reason for war with Iran is that our currency could collapse if they pursue the Oil for the Euro path. Iraq also wanted Euros for Oil and look what happened to them. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
If Bush does this I hope he doesn't expect the British to back him! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
'war with iran?--yes please!' and a glass of wine to go with............. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Wow Canada has even more oil... Maybe next time the US will invade their neighbor for some excuse of a reason? Or is Canada a to mighty opponent if it came to a war? They've had to in the past and did reasonably well, back in 1812. If the US were to start a war now it would be an attack on a NATO member and it wouldn't be difficult for Canada to ask for support from the other members. Who knows, maybe this time the UK would be able to succeed in re-integrating it's lost colony, and burn down not just the White House, but the Capitol and Supreme Court as well! I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Maybe next time the US will invade their neighbor for some excuse of a reason? Naw, neighbors are a little too close to home to be making up such dramatic stories about them... People would see through the lies too quickly... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
They've had to in the past and did reasonably well, back in 1812. If the US were to start a war now it would be an attack on a NATO member and it wouldn't be difficult for Canada to ask for support from the other members. Who knows, maybe this time the UK would be able to succeed in re-integrating it's lost colony, and burn down not just the White House, but the Capitol and Supreme Court as well! I didn't say there wouldn't be issues, but other than pure numbers, the armies in 1812 were of roughly equal ability and power. That simply is not the case anymore. Frankly, I'm not sure how ANY of the NATO countries in Europe could ever hope to deliver to Canada (or anywhere else that involves oceans) the type of military force they would need to prevent the U.S. from sweeping through Canada in a matter of a few weeks. They simply have no way to do it, let alone to resupply them. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
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