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jay_e Send message Joined: 6 Apr 03 Posts: 62 Credit: 1,072,112 RAC: 0	Message 625691 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:20:33 UTC - in response to Message 625658. Last modified: 24 Aug 2007, 16:26:42 UTC How do you tell a server problem from a network problem?? You may describe yourself as a newbie, but it's a very pertinent and relevant question - and I bet it's a question the guys in Berkeley are asking themselves right now, over their morning 'get me started' coffee. -- snip, snip -- Richard, Greetings, I missed your reply while having my 'start-up' coffee. Thank you for the insight. Jay ID: 625691 ·

Jim-R. Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 7 Feb 06 Posts: 1494 Credit: 194,148 RAC: 0	Message 625703 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 16:26:32 UTC - in response to Message 625681. I was leaning towards an "Its the net" problem. But, if a server down the line is having a bad hair day, then the I/O can get backed up as well. SETI uses many different servers that rely on each other, so yes just one server acting up can cause backups in the entire works. Actually right now it's possibly because of a couple of servers that are not tied in directly with the other servers but instead have to go through another network link, and a flood of short running work units has overloaded that link. So. Can the problem be diagnosed by looking at the server status? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html No. All of the status pages are simply snapshots that show the status when they were taken. The actual status may not show up until they are updated again, and it could change immediately afterwards. Jim Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had. Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had. ID: 625703 ·

Juha Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 7 Mar 04 Posts: 388 Credit: 1,857,738 RAC: 0	Message 625744 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 17:12:49 UTC Richard, Regarding your observations of SG images downloading but not other files. If you take a look at scheduler's reply you notice that SG images are downloaded from setiathome.[...], but workunits and stock app are downloaded from boinc2.ssl.[...]. Of course there are non-local filesystems involved, but I think it would be safe to assume that SAH website and WUs sit in different servers. As for trying different BOINC versions 5.2.13 worked for me about half a year ago. YMMV of course. -Juha ID: 625744 ·

Alinator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0	Message 625759 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 17:23:18 UTC Last modified: 24 Aug 2007, 17:32:10 UTC DUHHHHH...... Alinator!! I am a fool. I just reread Matt's 'Thor's Day' Tech News Post and they're trying to replicate and sync up 15 TB of new disk storage in the backend. Even under the best of conditions this represents a titanic temporary extra load on everything to accomplish, and he came right and said it would most likely take until sometime during the weekend to complete. So I wouldn't be expecting snappy service from the Scheduler/WU DL'er, regardless of what all the status indicators say, until that's over. Alinator ID: 625759 ·

n7rfa Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 13 Apr 04 Posts: 370 Credit: 9,058,599 RAC: 0	Message 625912 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 20:30:12 UTC - in response to Message 625759. DUHHHHH...... Alinator!! I am a fool. I just reread Matt's 'Thor's Day' Tech News Post and they're trying to replicate and sync up 15 TB of new disk storage in the backend. Even under the best of conditions this represents a titanic temporary extra load on everything to accomplish, and he came right and said it would most likely take until sometime during the weekend to complete. So I wouldn't be expecting snappy service from the Scheduler/WU DL'er, regardless of what all the status indicators say, until that's over. Alinator Uhhhh, I thought he said that it was RAID Sync that would be going on over the weekend and then he would have to do some LVM work next week. After he does the LVM work THEN the database work begins. ID: 625912 ·

Alinator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0	Message 625918 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 20:35:16 UTC Last modified: 24 Aug 2007, 20:36:03 UTC Hmmm... Well, if your analysis is correct, then you've gone and gotten me all depressed again because that most likely means we have another reservation on the 'snail trail' next week! ;-) Nutz!! :-) Alinator ID: 625918 ·

rassm Send message Joined: 23 Jul 00 Posts: 14 Credit: 2,244,969 RAC: 0	Message 625923 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 20:39:19 UTC - in response to Message 625912. Summerizing a couple of threads. they're trying to replicate and sync up 15 TB of new disk storage in the backend. Even under the best of conditions this represents a titanic temporary extra load on everything to accomplish, So I wouldn't be expecting snappy service from the Scheduler/WU DL'er, regardless of what all the status indicators say, until that's over. RAID Sync that would be going on over the weekend and then he would have to do some LVM work next week. After he does the LVM work THEN the database work begins. The data unit download issue has been going on for a while. As a former system admin, it was always a general principle that you do not add on to the current problems until the old problems are resolved if not understood. The problem does not appear to be understood or resolved. Is it really wise to do this. ID: 625923 ·

Alinator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0	Message 625927 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 20:48:15 UTC - in response to Message 625923. Last modified: 24 Aug 2007, 20:50:47 UTC <snip> The data unit download issue has been going on for a while. As a former system admin, it was always a general principle that you do not add on to the current problems until the old problems are resolved if not understood. The problem does not appear to be understood or resolved. Is it really wise to do this. LOL... You would think so. Personally I think they like to live in the 'danger zone' just so we can have things to yammer on about here in the fora. :-D Actually I think they have a pretty good handle on the reasons, but as usual the real trouble is figuring out the best strategy to beat them into submission. Alinator ID: 625927 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 625929 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 20:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 625923. The data unit download issue has been going on for a while. As a former system admin, it was always a general principle that you do not add on to the current problems until the old problems are resolved if not understood. The problem does not appear to be understood or resolved. Is it really wise to do this. At the risk of hurting my 'yes man' status, I can state that as of late, it seems that Seti has had a history of applying one change over the wreckage of another. Maybe it's just been bad karma, but it seems to have happened more than I am sure the admins would like. I do not mean to belittle their great efforts. On the other hand, I don't think the server/network problems have ever been fully understood or fixed, and if the admins had waited on those issues, we might still be crunching Seti classic. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 625929 ·

John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0	Message 625966 - Posted: 24 Aug 2007, 21:44:56 UTC Last modified: 24 Aug 2007, 21:45:18 UTC I've got absolutely oodles of WUs waiting to download. The problem is getting them to download, which probably explains the traffic. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues ID: 625966 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 626072 - Posted: 25 Aug 2007, 0:47:53 UTC - in response to Message 625966. I've got absolutely oodles of WUs waiting to download. The problem is getting them to download, which probably explains the traffic. I dunno what the problem is, but ready to send is really looking good. Now if only the feeder/servers could parse them out........... "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 626072 ·

jay_e Send message Joined: 6 Apr 03 Posts: 62 Credit: 1,072,112 RAC: 0	Message 626172 - Posted: 25 Aug 2007, 3:47:19 UTC Last modified: 25 Aug 2007, 3:48:43 UTC Greetings! Good news! 8/24/2007 11:13:04 PM\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Finished download of file setiathome_5.27_windows_intelx86.exe All the files - but two - completed download. The cricket graph shows an upward spike at this time! Hooray! Whatever it was, thanks! Jay ID: 626172 ·

Grant (SSSF) Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13751 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304	Message 626178 - Posted: 25 Aug 2007, 3:56:29 UTC - in response to Message 626072. Last modified: 25 Aug 2007, 3:57:02 UTC I dunno what the problem is, but ready to send is really looking good. Now if only the feeder/servers could parse them out........... Take a look at the network traffic graphs. Don't know what's going on, but every 4 hours the flood gates open for an hour or so. Grant Darwin NT ID: 626178 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0	Message 626181 - Posted: 25 Aug 2007, 3:58:15 UTC - in response to Message 626172. Whatever it was, thanks! Jay In between changing Blueray discs ... :P they have to transfer the 'movies' to make 9TB room on thumper :D just kidding!!! "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. ID: 626181 ·

jay_e Send message Joined: 6 Apr 03 Posts: 62 Credit: 1,072,112 RAC: 0	Message 626209 - Posted: 25 Aug 2007, 5:14:27 UTC One more file to go may wait for the 4 hour spike and then try to 'retransmit now' 8/25/2007 1:05:27 AM\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file setiathome-5.27_AUTHORS 8/25/2007 1:05:49 AM\|\|Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 8/25/2007 1:05:49 AM\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of setiathome-5.27_AUTHORS: http error 8/25/2007 1:05:49 AM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 hr 29 min 43 sec on download of file setiathome-5.27_AUTHORS 8/25/2007 1:05:51 AM\|\|Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. ((time is Eastern Standard )) ID: 626209 ·

Browny Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 Sep 99 Posts: 33 Credit: 814,772 RAC: 0	Message 626226 - Posted: 25 Aug 2007, 7:50:00 UTC - in response to Message 626209. One more file to go may wait for the 4 hour spike and then try to 'retransmit now' 8/25/2007 1:05:27 AM\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file setiathome-5.27_AUTHORS 8/25/2007 1:05:49 AM\|\|Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 8/25/2007 1:05:49 AM\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of setiathome-5.27_AUTHORS: http error 8/25/2007 1:05:49 AM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 hr 29 min 43 sec on download of file setiathome-5.27_AUTHORS 8/25/2007 1:05:51 AM\|\|Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. ((time is Eastern Standard )) It seems to be working again as I see that the download attemping is working now so they got it working I think: 25-8-2007 2:07:51\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52: system connect 25-8-2007 2:07:51\|SETI@home\|Backing off 2 hr 45 min 44 sec on download of file 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52 25-8-2007 3:35:15\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 3:35:16\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105: system connect 25-8-2007 3:35:16\|SETI@home\|Backing off 2 hr 47 min 8 sec on download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 4:53:37\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52 25-8-2007 4:53:38\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52: system connect 25-8-2007 4:53:38\|SETI@home\|Backing off 3 hr 49 min 50 sec on download of file 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52 25-8-2007 6:22:25\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 6:22:27\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105: system connect 25-8-2007 6:22:27\|SETI@home\|Backing off 9 min 54 sec on download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 6:32:21\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 6:32:22\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105: system connect 25-8-2007 6:32:22\|SETI@home\|Backing off 2 hr 52 min 5 sec on download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 8:19:47\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 25-8-2007 8:19:47\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 25-8-2007 8:19:53\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 25-8-2007 8:19:53\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 25-8-2007 8:19:53\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project 25-8-2007 8:43:29\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52 25-8-2007 8:43:51\|\|Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site 25-8-2007 8:43:51\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Temporarily failed download of 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52: system connect 25-8-2007 8:43:51\|SETI@home\|Backing off 3 hr 26 min 4 sec on download of file 10ja07aa.4510.186047.9.5.52 25-8-2007 8:43:53\|\|Access to reference site succeeded - project servers may be temporarily down. 25-8-2007 9:24:29\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Started download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 9:26:05\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Finished download of file 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105 25-8-2007 9:26:05\|SETI@home\|[file_xfer] Throughput 3902 bytes/sec 25-8-2007 9:26:49\|SETI@home\|Starting 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105_1 25-8-2007 9:26:49\|SETI@home\|Starting task 10ja07aa.339.189728.8.5.105_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 527 Regards, Browny ID: 626226 ·

Miklos M. Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 955 Credit: 136,115,648 RAC: 73	Message 627041 - Posted: 26 Aug 2007, 13:21:59 UTC I think my problem of trying to get an optimized version for my new Quad may get solved by SETI. Not the way I like it though. It will run out of work in a few hours and I am getting these messages: 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project ID: 627041 ·

n7rfa Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 13 Apr 04 Posts: 370 Credit: 9,058,599 RAC: 0	Message 627044 - Posted: 26 Aug 2007, 13:32:50 UTC - in response to Message 627041. I think my problem of trying to get an optimized version for my new Quad may get solved by SETI. Not the way I like it though. It will run out of work in a few hours and I am getting these messages: 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project The information "(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)" is the the key. You don't have anything to return the Berkeley and you don't need anything FROM Berkeley. Check your Connection Interval (Computer is connected to the Internet about every) and Additional Cache (Maintain enough work for an additional) values on the General Preferences page for your account. These control the amount of work you will have on your system. ID: 627044 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 627047 - Posted: 26 Aug 2007, 13:40:04 UTC - in response to Message 627044. I think my problem of trying to get an optimized version for my new Quad may get solved by SETI. Not the way I like it though. It will run out of work in a few hours and I am getting these messages: 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project The information "(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)" is the the key. You don't have anything to return the Berkeley and you don't need anything FROM Berkeley. Check your Connection Interval (Computer is connected to the Internet about every) and Additional Cache (Maintain enough work for an additional) values on the General Preferences page for your account. These control the amount of work you will have on your system. What is the RDCF showing on your computer summary page? Towards the bottom, (result duration correction factor). "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 627047 ·

Miklos M. Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 955 Credit: 136,115,648 RAC: 73	Message 627048 - Posted: 26 Aug 2007, 13:40:44 UTC - in response to Message 627044. I think my problem of trying to get an optimized version for my new Quad may get solved by SETI. Not the way I like it though. It will run out of work in a few hours and I am getting these messages: 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:16:27 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:16:32 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user 8/26/2007 9:17:07 AM\|SETI@home\|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks) 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 511] 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Deferring communication for 11 sec 8/26/2007 9:17:12 AM\|SETI@home\|Reason: requested by project The information "(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)" is the the key. You don't have anything to return the Berkeley and you don't need anything FROM Berkeley. Check your Connection Interval (Computer is connected to the Internet about every) and Additional Cache (Maintain enough work for an additional) values on the General Preferences page for your account. These control the amount of work you will have on your system. Thanks, I changed it. Hoping to see some. Nick ID: 627048 ·

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