humans special humor in diversity [as probably originating over and over again out of the human brains superposition-in-self-correction to handle self-awareness somehow of in general abnormal behavior beyond sickness in mind as the latter keeps growing to support this loop ] .... knowledge and technology available lacks each other crosswise ... why officially search for signals suppositionally sent off back in time - i think an intelligent entity can do better - do not you think so? a fish also cannot drive a car ... we may support it ... so may an intelligent extraterrestrial intelligence support us in finding a signal even if it is just for the signal of it .... but i do not think that an intelligent species is into anything like that ...

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Perhaps the best way to attract ET is to quietly lay on the ground until it comes to eat you, Works for bears, lions, jackles, large snakes etc.

I dunno,

There was a guy who got most of his posts removed from this bored who I contacted to see what his story was. He believed he could do it by praying for it the way people used to pray in about 2k B.C. He sent me some photos and then disappeared. No word from him for about half a year.

Here's another guy calling one on TV in Nevada, and guess what:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAyErdEM4o0


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Why does it have to hide far away up in the sky? Why can't it come down close? How is it that by him creating vibrations in the air (talking) he is somehow able to summon aliens who are out in space.

One book I suggest that everyone read is Carl Sagan's "Broca's Brain : Reflections on the Romances of Science" It is essentially about thinking critically and being skeptical.

"In many such cases we are not unbiased observers. We have an emotional stake in the outcome-perhaps merely because the borderline belief system, if true, makes the world a more interesting place;but perhaps because there is something there that strikes more deeply into the human psyche......The interest in UFOs and ancient astronauts seems at least partly the result of unfulfilled religious needs. " He continues on for several more pages. I would post it but I duno how much I can quote before I infringe on copyrights.

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put a giant billboard in orbit around the planet that says "Free Food and gas" with an arrow pointing to it?

Here's a few people from the bible telling their stories long before the social impacts and reasonings writtin of by Sagan:

(I have more from almost ever civilization on the planet.)


There are 160 verses describing lights and fires
as vehicles in the Bible

Until almost 2000 years after the last book of the Bible was written, there were no forms of artificial light and if a flashlight were turned on in the camp of Moses, it would be a miracle, to say the least. The only lights known were the sun, the moon, stars, fire, lightning, and reflections from those sources. It is not surprising that these sources are what the authors used to describe the illumination appearing from these vehicles and the beings associated with them.


Genesis
A Glowing Object Passes Over
15:17

And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

This is the first indication that a glowing, flying object is associated with the Elohiym. The word 'passed' is more properly rendered 'passed over'. Furnace = fire pot. Smoking = vapor. Lamp = shining. Burning = fire. So, what is being said is that something resembling a shining, vaporous firepot passed over after dark.

Burning Sulphur From The Sky
19:24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.
Yhovah drops fiery substances and objects from the sky as a means of destruction. These acts are recorded many times in Biblical text. The word 'brimstone means sulphur or sulphur-like, obviously relating to the burning effect of the substance.

Exodus
The Burning Bush
3:2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
There is a glowing object on the ground, resembling a bramble, from which Yhovah speaks to Moses. Note that he sees light that seems to be a fire, but it is not consuming the object, in other words, it is glowing. Since, in other text, God contacts mankind in glowing, flying objects and not glowing bushes, this is something on the ground other than a burning bush. Further examination of the method God uses to present himself will show that this is probably a flying craft that is on the ground. Bush = bramble.

Fire From The Sky
9:23 And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the Lord sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the Lord rained hail upon the land of Egypt. 24 So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
Yhovah is dropping or firing flashing, fiery objects from the sky after Moses lifts the rod. Fire appears to be walking around on the ground. It is very serious and there is a lot of noise.

Fiery Platforms
13:21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: 22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
A platform, flown by Yhovah, resembling a thunder cloud that glows brightly at night, leads the nation of Israel out of Egypt. Cloud = thunder-cloud, Pillar = column or base of column ie, platform, Light = to be luminous. The book of Exodus is where we get the first indication that God uses physical flying objects as a mode of transportation. It is described as a pillar of a cloud during the day and a pillar of fire at night. The word pillar is translated from `ammuwd, Pron. am-mood; a column as standing; also a stand, i.e. platform. This means that this could either be a column or a platform that had the appearance of a cloud in the daylight and, when the sun went down, it lit up. And it is staying close to the people, in other words, hovering. When considered in light of descriptions not yet presented, the platform seems a more logical choice.

Aerial Harassment
14:24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians
The flying object wreaks havoc on the Egyptian camp. An important thing to understand about this craft is that it is one object that changes appearance from day to night, not two objects. Troubled = hamam, pronounced haw-mam', properly, to put in commotion.

Yhovah Descends With Great Commotion
19:18 And Mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. 19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
The whole mountain is enveloped in a glowing, smoky vapor, the mountain is vibrating rapidly and the vehicle is emitting the sound of a loud ram’s horn. The vehicle causes vibrations.

Booming Sounds, Bright Lights
20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar of.
The noise and lights from the vehicle are so intense, the people retreat a distance from it.

Glory And Light
24:17 And the sight of the glory of the Lord was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.
Glory is directly associated with the lights emanating from the craft.

The Hovering Vehicle Glory And Light
40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 36 And when the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the children of Israel went onward in all their journeys: 37 But if the cloud were not taken up, then they journeyed not till the day that it was taken up. 38 For the cloud of the Lord was upon the tabernacle by day, and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.
The flying object remained in the presence of the nation wherever it went.

Numbers
The Vehicle Provides Shade And Light
9:16 So it was alway: the cloud covered it by day, and the appearance of fire by night.
The vehicle provides shade during the day and illumination at night.

Yhovah Glows And Flies Away
12:9 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed.
Anger = forward, kindled = to glow, departed = ascend, against them was added.

Flying Vehicular Light
14:14 And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.
The flying craft hovering over the people will be ample evidence of the presence of Yhovah.

Leviticus
A Consuming Beam Of Light
9:24 And there came a fire out from before the Lord, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
A fire-like beam comes from Yhovah and consumes the alter and everything on it.


Deuteronomy
Aerial Guidance
1:33 Who went in the way before you, to search you out a place to pitch your tents in, in fire by night, to shew you by what way ye should go, and in a cloud by day.
It is pointed out that Yhovah scouted the area before the people in the flying vehicle to find a place to camp.

A Mountain Aglow
4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
In the immediate vicinity of the glowing mountain is a group of solid flying objects. The mountain was glowing so brightly it lit up the whole sky.

Yhovah Speaks From The Fire
4:36 Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.
Yhovah broadcast his voice from and displays his “great fire” in the sky.

5:4 The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Yhovah speaks from the glowing object.

5:22 These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
Yhovah spoke to the assembly from the glowing object and the dark object.

5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
The voice is coming from the dark craft

5:24 And ye said, Behold, the Lord our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. 25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.
The people are afraid that the brilliant glow of the craft will kill them.

Burning Mountain
9:15 So I turned and came down from the mount, and the mount burned with fire: and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.
Moses comes down from the glowing mountain with the tablets of the covenant.

Yhovah In A Glowing Object
10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the Lord spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the Lord gave them unto me.
Yhovah speaks from the glowing object.

Burning Sulphur And Salt
29:23 And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the Lord overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:
Burning sulphur and salt have made the land desolate.

Yhovah Talks From The Fire
31:15 The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
God talks from the glowing object.

2 Samuel
Vibrations And Glowing Objects
22:8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. 9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
These are references to earthquakes, smoke, fire, and glowing objects. The phrase, "because he was", has been added and the word wroth is taken from the word 'charah' which means to glow.

Yhovah's Glowing Solid Flying House
22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. 13 Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. 14 The Lord thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. 15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
This appears to be a description of a circular fleet of objects arranged around a main object described as Yhovah’s pavilion or mobile dwelling. In front of this grouping appear brilliant, flashing lights and glowing objects. Yhovah tumbles out of the sky. Arrow-like objects and bright flashes cause great consternation to David’s enemies.

1 Kings
Fire Of Yhovah Fell
18:38 Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
Fire falls and consumes everything in sight.

2 Kings
Light Weapons From The Sky
1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

Fire From The Sky
1:12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
There is a consuming fire from the sky.

Consuming Fire From The Sky
1:14 Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight.
At Elijah's request, the Elohiym send fire or a beam of light that burns up or vaporizes the troops.

Spinning Chariots Of Fire In the Sky
2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
Elijah and Elisha are talking and suddenly a bright, flying vehicle and a cavalry of bright, flying objects appear. Elijah ascends into the sky in a spinning, flying vehicle. The word translated into horses, 'cuwc', means rapid movement or flight. This cavalry of glowing vehicles is most likely the army spoken of where the word "hosts" appears.

Chariots of fire
6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. 18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the Lord, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
The King of Syria has surrounded the city of Dothan where Elisha is and Elisha asks Yhovah to help him. Suddenly, the sky was filled with rapidly moving, bright, flying objects surrounding Elisha. One or more flying objects descends to the ground and Elisha asks Yhovah to cause blindness to befall the surrounding army, which he does. The army is captured and later Yhovah restores their sight.

Deuteronomy
Aerial Guidance
1:33 Who went in the way before you, to search you out a place to pitch your tents in, in fire by night, to shew you by what way ye should go, and in a cloud by day.
It is pointed out that Yhovah scouted the area before the people in the flying vehicle to find a place to camp.

A Mountain Aglow
4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
In the immediate vicinity of the glowing mountain is a group of solid flying objects. The mountain was glowing so brightly it lit up the whole sky.

Yhovah Speaks From The Fire
4:36 Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.
Yhovah broadcast his voice from and displays his “great fire” in the sky.

5:4 The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Yhovah speaks from the glowing object.

5:22 These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
Yhovah spoke to the assembly from the glowing object and the dark object.

5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
The voice is coming from the dark craft

5:24 And ye said, Behold, the Lord our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. 25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.
The people are afraid that the brilliant glow of the craft will kill them.

Burning Mountain
9:15 So I turned and came down from the mount, and the mount burned with fire: and the two tables of the covenant were in my two hands.
Moses comes down from the glowing mountain with the tablets of the covenant.

Yhovah In A Glowing Object
10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the Lord spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the Lord gave them unto me.
Yhovah speaks from the glowing object.

Burning Sulphur And Salt
29:23 And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the Lord overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:
Burning sulphur and salt have made the land desolate.

Yhovah Talks From The Fire
31:15 The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
God talks from the glowing object.

2 Samuel
Vibrations And Glowing Objects
22:8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. 9 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
These are references to earthquakes, smoke, fire, and glowing objects. The phrase, "because he was", has been added and the word wroth is taken from the word 'charah' which means to glow.

Yhovah's Glowing Solid Flying House
22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. 13 Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. 14 The Lord thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. 15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
This appears to be a description of a circular fleet of objects arranged around a main object described as Yhovah’s pavilion or mobile dwelling. In front of this grouping appear brilliant, flashing lights and glowing objects. Yhovah tumbles out of the sky. Arrow-like objects and bright flashes cause great consternation to David’s enemies.

1 Kings
Fire Of Yhovah Fell
18:38 Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
Fire falls and consumes everything in sight.

2 Kings
Light Weapons From The Sky
1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

Fire From The Sky
1:12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
There is a consuming fire from the sky.

Consuming Fire From The Sky
1:14 Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight.
At Elijah's request, the Elohiym send fire or a beam of light that burns up or vaporizes the troops.

Spinning Chariots Of Fire In the Sky
2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
Elijah and Elisha are talking and suddenly a bright, flying vehicle and a cavalry of bright, flying objects appear. Elijah ascends into the sky in a spinning, flying vehicle. The word translated into horses, 'cuwc', means rapid movement or flight. This cavalry of glowing vehicles is most likely the army spoken of where the word "hosts" appears.

Chariots of fire
6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. 18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the Lord, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
The King of Syria has surrounded the city of Dothan where Elisha is and Elisha asks Yhovah to help him. Suddenly, the sky was filled with rapidly moving, bright, flying objects surrounding Elisha. One or more flying objects descends to the ground and Elisha asks Yhovah to cause blindness to befall the surrounding army, which he does. The army is captured and later Yhovah restores their sight.

Isaiah
A Glorious Canopy
4:5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
Yhovah will place an object by day over Mount Zion that will be a glorious canopy. At night it will appear, glowing brilliantly. Defense = Canopy. Shining = brilliancy. Flaming = glowing.

Glowing, Flying Objects
6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
A copper colored, glowing object or creature with six wings is flying around the temple.

Flashing, Destroying Lights
29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the Lord of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Yhovah of armies will visit with thunder, vibration, loud noise, a whirlwind, and flashing, devouring fire.

Gleaming, Consuming Fire
30:30 And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
Yhovah shows his force and anger with a gleaming, consuming fire, a rushing storm, and hailstones. Lighting = descent. Scattering = storm. Tempest = rushing.

Stream Of Burning Sulphur
30:33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
A shaft of light resembling sulphur sets the wood on fire. Stream = shaft. Kindle = burn.

Illumination And Splendor Of Yhovah Ascends
60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
The bright, glowing lights of Yhovah's craft ascend above. Upon = above.

A Brilliant Takeoff
60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Brightness = brilliancy. Rising = rising of light.

Fiery Displays
64:2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!
Fire is used to intimidate adversaries.

Descending, Flashing, Spinning, Flying Vehicles
66:15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Yhovah comes with fire and vehicles like whirlwinds and shows his anger with flashing fire.

Lamentations
Flashing Fire
2:3 He hath cut off in his fierce anger all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy, and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire, which devoureth round about.
A flashing, consuming fire.

Ezekiel
Glowing, Spinning, Metallic Craft
1:4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
A rushing, windy, great thundercloud-like flying craft flew out of the north. The vehicle had the appearance of brilliant, glowing fire all around it and the center of the illumination was the vehicle of polished metal.

Glowing, Flashing Lights
1:13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
The devices were glowing and there were bright flashing lights in the center of them.

Flashing Lights
1:14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
The devices were flashing and moving back and forth.

Yhovah Appears As Bright Glowing Metal
1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness
round about.
He had the appearance of polished metal and he glowed brilliantly all around, from head to toe.

Brilliance And Rainbows
1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
The brilliance all around Yahweh was like a rainbow and I heard him speak.

Yhovah Appears Brilliant And Metallic
8:2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
From head to toe, Yhovah had the appearance of brightly glowing, polished metal.

Wheels And Glowing Objects
10:2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in my sight.
A being, clothed in white, tells Ezekiel to go to the center of the devices.

Ascending Brilliance And Splendor
10:4 Then the glory of the Lord went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the Lord's glory.
Brightness =brilliancy.

Fire And Sulphur From The Sky
38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Daniel
Flashing Throne And Wheels
7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Daniel looks where the throne is set and sees the Ancient of Days sitting. His garment was pure white and his hair like pure wool.. His throne was glowing brightly and the wheels of the craft were shining and glowing.

Bright, Shining River
7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
A beam of light shown from him, millions served him, and hundreds of millions were in his presence.

Gleaming Face And Shining Eyes
10:6 His body also was like the Beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.
Daniel encounters a man clothed in linen and he had fine golden armor. His body was like a jewel, his face was gleaming, his eyes were glowing, his arms and feet were like copper colored metal, and his voice was very loud.

Joel
Darkness And Fire
2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
An apparent reference to the sky army.

Amos
Fire From Yhovah
2:l2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.

Yhovah sends a destroying fire against Moab.

Nahum
A Fiery Presence
1:5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
Fire, or rather some form of light energy ray, is used as a weapon.

Glowing Chariots Or Automobiles?
2:4 The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.

Habakkuk
Brilliant Rays Of Light
3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power. 5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.
Brightness
= brilliancy. Light = illumination. Horn = rays of light. Burning coals = gleam.

Glowing Arrows And Brilliant Gleaming Spears
3:11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
The sun and the moon stopped.

Matthew
A Moving And Hovering Star
2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

A star moves through the sky and hovers over Jesus.

A Very Bright Cloud Hovers
17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
A radiant cloud enveloped them in a brilliant haze and the Father spoke from the cloud.

Jesus Will Fly, Shining From The East
24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

A Glaring White Angel Descends
28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
A great, shining angel, dressed in pure white clothing, descends from the sky.

Mark
The Transfiguration Cloud
9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
This is known as the “Transfiguration”. Jesus tells his apostles that some of them will see the realm of God before they die. Jesus is praying and his appearance changes. His clothes became pure white and gleaming. Two men appear with Jesus and a cloud enveloped them with a brilliant haze and suddenly the two men disappear.

Part 6

Luke
Angel And Bright Lights
2:8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. 12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
An angel of Yhovah
appeared over the shepherds in the field and the area around them became brightly illuminated.

The Transfiguration And Bright Lights
9:28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
The transfiguration is the account of an aerial visitation to Jesus by two beings that discuss the coming crucifixion.

Fire From The Sky
9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
The disciples apparently believe Jesus can bring fire from the sky.

Jesus Shoots Shining Through The Sky
17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
This is a reference to the Second Coming.

Flashing Lights From The Sky
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Referring to aerial attacks described in the Old Testament.

Acts
Beams Of Light From The Sky
2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Suddenly, the sound of a mighty, rushing wind came from the sky. Beams of light rested on each one of them.

Flashing Light In A Bush
7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
This is referring to the first recorded encounter of Moses with the Elohiym.

Shining, Flashing Lights
9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Jesus, who uses bright flashing lights from the sky to get his attention, confronts Paul.

A Man In Radiant Clothing
10:30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
A man suddenly appears in radiant clothing.

Very Bright, Flashing Lights
22:6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. 7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth whom thou persecutest. 9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. 10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. 11 And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
Paul says that in the middle of the day very bright, luminescent rays began to flash all around him.

A Light From The Sky As Bright As The Sun
26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
Paul describes the light he saw as being brighter than the sun, which was out at the time which was about noon.

2 Thessalonians
Jesus Will Come From The Sky With Flashing Light
1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
God will take vengeance with flashing lights.

Jesus Will Come In Brightness
2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
The appearance of brilliant lights is associated with the Second coming.

Hebrews
Glory Is A Flood Of Light
1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Brightness = effulgence. Effulgence is a flood of light.

A Mountain Lit With Fire
12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Referring to the encounter of Moses with the vehicle of Yhovah after the exodus from Egypt.

Revelation
White Hair And Flashing Eyes
1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Jesus has white hair and his eyes are like flashing lightning.

Strange Beings On Strange Horses
9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
It is not clear whether these are actually horses or devices.

Bright Lights And Sounds From The Throne
4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Flashing lights and loud sounds around the throne.

A Brilliant Angel Descends From The Sky
10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
An angel, standing on a fiery platform, descends from heaven. Pillar = base.

Bright Lights And Sounds
16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Bright lights and sounds accompany the greatest earthquake in history.

An Angel From The Sky Shines Rays Of Light On The Ground
18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
An angel, descending from the sky, projects beams or rays of light to the ground.

Fire From The Sky
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
A fire comes down from the sky.

2 Kings
Spinning Chariots Of Fire Take Elijah
2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
Elijah and Elisha are talking and suddenly, a bright, flying vehicle and a cavalry of bright, flying objects appear. Elijah ascends into the sky, taken by a spinning,flying vehicle. The word translated into horses, 'cuwc' means rapid movement or flight. This cavalry of glowing vehicles is, most likely, the army spoken of where hosts appears.

Job
Out Of A Spinning Object
38:1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Yhovah speaks to Job out of a spinning, flying object.

40:6 Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Again, Yhovah speaks to Job out of a rotating, flying object.

An Illuminated, Flying Wheel
77:18 The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook.
Heaven = wheel. Lightning = flash.

Psalms
Elohiym's Spinning Wheel
83:13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. 14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire; 15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
This object is definitely spinning and capable of firing weapons that burn and cause fires. Make them = place. Tempest and storm = hurricane.

Proverbs
A Wheel Above
20:26 A wise king scattereth the wicked, and bringeth the wheel over them.
Is this referring to a wheel as a weapon?

Isaiah
Descending, Flashing, Spinning Vehicles
66:15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Yhovah comes with fire and vehicles like whirlwinds and shows his anger with flashing fire.

Jeremiah
Swift, Ascending, Spinning Vehicles
4:13 Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.
Yhovah will ascend with a thundercloud, like a whirlwind. The speed of his vehicle is swifter than eagles. Horse = rapid flight.

Yhovah's Spinning Craft
23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
The whirlwind of Yhovah has gone forth as a furious whirlwind and it will whirl on the enemy.

A Great ,Spinning, Flying Army Craft
25:32 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.
A great whirlwind will originate from the far corners of the Earth.

Perpetually Spinning Craft
30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.
The whirlwind of Yhovah will go forward with fury. A whirlwind will whirl roughly on the head of the wicked.

Ezekiel
Glowing, Spinning, Metallic Craft
1:4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
A rushing, windy, great, thundercloud-like flying craft flew out of the north. The vehicle had the appearance of brilliant, glowing fire all around it. The center of the illumination, the vehicle, was like polished metal.

Amos
A Whirling Vehicle
1:14 But I will kindle a fire in the wall of Rabbah, and it shall devour the palaces thereof, with shouting in the day of battle, with a tempest in the day of the whirlwind.
Tempest = hurricane.

Nahum
Yhovah's Whirlwind
1:3 The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
Yhovah has his way in a revolving vehicle above the clouds.

Zechariah
Yhovah Goes With Whirlwinds
9:14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall go with whirlwinds of the south.
Yhovah will appear. Piercing objects will flash out, a ram’s horn will sound, and Yahovah will go in a whirlwind.

Exodus
Vehicular Flanking Movement
14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: 20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.
The distinct and deliberate movements of this object show a realistic rather than ethereal nature. This is a solid object flying around above the encampment. It is physically preventing the approach of the Egyptian pursuers. This object can project light in one direction yet cause darkness in the direction of the Egyptians. Here is the first indication that angels are in control of the craft.

Elohiym In Thick Darkness
20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Here the term thick darkness to describe where God is. If this is a UFO like object then this is a description of a solid mass, which such a vehicle would be.

Deuteronomy
A Mountain Aglow
4:11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.
In the immediate vicinity of the glowing mountain is a group of solid flying objects. The mountain was glowing so brightly it lit up the whole sky.

5:22 These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

5:23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
The voice is coming from the dark craft.

Joshua
A Dark Shield
24:7 And when they cried unto the Lord, he put darkness between you and the Egyptians, and brought the sea upon them, and covered them; and your eyes have seen what I have done in Egypt: and ye dwelt in the wilderness a long season.
Yhovah placed the dark solid craft between the people and the Egyptian army.

2 Samuel
Yhovah Rides A Cherub And Flies
22:10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. 11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
The 'thick darkness' under his feet can be rendered as low clouds which ties into the next verse.. Yhovah rides on a 'cherub' and flies on the edge of the wind. This could indicate a smooth soaring-like flight as with a glider. Wings = extreme edge.

Yhovah's Glowing Solid Flying House
22:12 And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. 13 Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. 14 The Lord thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. 15 And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.
This appears to be a description of a circular fleet of objects arranged around a main object described as Yhovah’s pavilion or mobile dwelling. In front of this grouping appear brilliant flashing lights and glowing objects. Yhovah tumbles out of the sky. Arrow-like objects and bright flashes cause great consternation to David’s enemies.

2 Chronicles
Thick Darkness
6:1 Then said Solomon, The Lord hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
Yhovah's dwelling place is dense and dark.

Psalms
Yhovah Descends With Vapors And Lights
18:8 There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. 9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
There is a density under his feet.

Yhovah Dwells In A Dark Shiny Flying Object
18:11 He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
This pavilion is a dark shiny swiftly moving object. Secret place = scud, low dark, cloud.

Darkness Over The Land
27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Something is causing darkness over the land.

Thunder Clouds And Darkness
97:2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne.
Yhovah throne is in a dark flying craft resembling a thundercloud.

Isaiah
A Low Flying Solid Object
60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
A low flying solid object gathers and casts a shadow. Yhovah's splendor ascends over.

Joel
Darkness And Fire
2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
An apparent reference to the sky army.

Zephaniah

Thick Dark Low Flying Clouds
1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Darkness is often associated with the flying craft.

A Range of Descriptions
Flying furnaces, burning bushes, eagles wings, smokes, stars, and other objects are some of the other descriptions the ancient authors
use to describe the fleet vehicles of the Elohiym.

Genesis
A Glowing Object Passes Over
15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
This is perhaps the first indication that a glowing, flying object is associated with God. The word 'passed' is more properly rendered 'passed over'. Furnace = fire pot., Smoking = vapor. Lamp = shining. Burning = fire. So what is being said is that something resembling a shining, vaporous firepot passed over after dark.

Exodus
The Burning Bush
3:2 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
A glowing object, resembling a bramble, appears on the ground. It is from this bramble-like object that Yhovah speaks to Moses. Note that he sees the light that seems to be a fire, but it is not consuming the object. The object is glowing, not burning. Since, in other text, God contacts mankind in glowing, flying objects, and not glowing bushes, this is something on the ground other than a burning bush. Further examination of the method God uses to present himself will show that this is more likely a flying craft that is on the ground. Bush = bramble.

Aerial Rescue
19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Yhovah reminds them of how he dealt with Egypt and He associates flight with the exodus. ' You ' and ' you unto myself' ' were added. (' bare ' means to lift ) Another way this verse can be read is; You saw what I did in Egypt and how I flew. Yhovah impresses His power of flight and the devastation he inflicted on the Egyptians.

A Dangerous Perimeter
19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: 13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount.
Yhovah warns Moses that the area near the landing sight is dangerous and to keep the people away. This is the first time the power connected to this craft takes on a real physical nature.

Yhovah Descends With Great Commotion
19:18 And Mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. 19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
The whole mountain is enveloped in a glowing, smoky vapor, the mountain is vibrating rapidly, and the vehicle is emitting the sound of a loud ram’s horn. The vehicle causes vibrations.

Extreme Danger Around The Craft
19:21 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish. 22 And let the priests also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves, lest the Lord break forth upon them. 23 And Moses said unto the Lord, The people cannot come up to mount Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and sanctify it. 24 And the Lord said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the Lord, lest he break forth upon them. 25 So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them.
Yhovah calls Moses up to specifically warn him about the extremely dangerous environment around the craft and tells him to warn his people.

A Sapphire Craft
24:10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
Clearness = brightness, the body = the substance, heaven = sky, "in his" was added.

2 Samuel
Yhovah Rides A Cherub And Flies
22:10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. 11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
The 'thick darkness' under his feet can be rendered as low clouds which ties into the next verse.. Yhovah rides on a 'cherub' and flies on the edge of the wind. This could indicate a smooth, soaring-like flight much like a glider. Wings = extreme edge

1 Chronicles
Chariot Of The Cherubim
28:18 And for the altar of incense refined gold by weight; and gold for the pattern of the chariot of the Cherubims, that spread out their wings, and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord.
Is this to be a representation of Yhovah’s flying vehicles?

Psalms
Yhovah Flies A Cherub On The Wind
18:10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.
Yhovah flies on a cherub and rapidly on the wings of the wind. Second fly = to dart or fly rapidly.

Safety In The Shade Of Elohiym's Wing
36:7 How excellent is thy loving kindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.
Shadow = shade.

Protecting Wing
57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast. 2 I will cry unto God most high; unto God that performeth all things for me.
The wing of Elohiym provides protection. Elohiym is elevated.

Under The Wings
91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Feathers = wing.

Wings of the Wind
104:3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
Yhovah makes thick clouds his vehicles and travels on the edge of the wind.

Firmament Of His Power
150:1 Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
Elohiym is in a holy place that is an expanse.

Isaiah
A Glorious Canopy
4:5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
Yhovah, by day, will place an object like a glorious canopy over Mount Zion. At night it will appear, glowing brilliantly. Defense = Canopy. Shining = brilliancy. Flaming = glowing.

Joel
Flying Horses
2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Horses= swift.

Signs in the Sky
2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.
Yhovah will display wonders in the sky including fire and smoky clouds.

Zechariah
A Flying Roll
5:1 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. 2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.
Zechariah sees a flying roll 35 feet long and 18 feet wide.

Matthew
A Moving And Hovering Star
2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
A star moves through the sky and hovers over Jesus.

Acts
Flashing Light In A Bush
7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
This is referring to the first recorded encounter of Moses with the Elohiym.

An Apparatus Descends From The Sky
10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Peter sees a craft descending from the sky. Vessel = apparatus.

The Apparatus Ascends Into The Sky
10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
The craft ascended into the sky.

An Apparatus Descends From The Sky
11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Peter describes the encounter mentioned in verse 10:11.

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Exodus:: 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, {6:2} That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. {6:3} And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. {6:4} There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Those accounts in the bible all sound like UFOs because you are reading them with preconceptions already in your head. I haven't gone and looked any of those up yet, but if you read a paragraph in front of and after the quote I bet the vast majority of them will be dismissed. Again this is only the first thought I came up with. You cannot go through every historical text and take out sentences that just say something about fire in the sky. "Lets pick and choose which parts we like and which parts we don't like to find stuff to fit our ideas."

"Once I spied a bright, "hovering" UFO, and pointed it out to some friends in a restaurant, soon found myself in the midst of a throng of patrons, waitresses, cooks and proprietors milling about on the sidewalk, pointing up into the sky with fingers and forks, and making gasps of astonishment. People were somewhere between delighted and awestruck. But when I returned with a pair of binoculars which clearly showed the UFO to be an unconventional aircraft (a NASA weather airplane, as it later turned out), there was uniform disappointment. Some felt embarrassed at the public exposure of their credulity. Others were simply disappointed at the evaporation of a good story, something out of the ordinary- a visitor from another world. In many such cases we are not unbiased observers. We have an emotional stake in the outcome-perhaps merely because the borderline belief system, if true, makes the world a more interesting place;but perhaps because there is something there that strikes more deeply into the human psyche......The interest in UFOs and ancient astronauts seems at least partly the result of unfulfilled religious needs. The extraterrestrials are often described as wise, powerful, benign, human in appearance, and sometimes they are attired in long white robes. They are very much like gods and angels, coming from other planets rather than from heaven, using spaceships rather than wings. There is a little pseudoscientific overlay, but the theological antecedents are clear: in many cases the supposed ancient astronomers and UFO occupants are deities, feebly disguised and modernized, but easily recognizable." - Carl Sagan

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The three stages of truth:

1. Ridicule

2. Violent opposition

3. Acceptance

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I don't what evidence there is for you to try and prove your UFO spacecraft.
There is no good anecdotal evidence, nor is there good physical evidence. When hoaxes and anecdotes are excluded, there is nothing left to study.

The process of finding truth.
Scientific Skepticism from Wikipedia

A scientific (or empirical) skeptic is one who questions the reliability of certain kinds of claims by subjecting them to a systematic investigation. The scientific method details the specific process by which this investigation of reality is conducted. Considering the rigor of the scientific method, science itself may simply be thought of as an organized form of skepticism. This does not mean that the scientific skeptic is necessarily a scientist who conducts live experiments (though this may be the case), but that the skeptic generally accepts claims that are in his/her view likely to be true based on testable hypotheses and critical thinking.

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Here's some solid evidence, IMHO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgO2HQ_42xo


Since you are free from my supposed bias, can you tell me what you think the persons from the Bible were referring to?

Perhaps you need to brush up on your ancient text studies.

See: http://www.exoticworldart.com/ufodbase/index.php?board=9.0


I could be wrong, but the odds are very, very, slim.

I don't what evidence there is for you to try and prove your UFO spacecraft.
There is no good anecdotal evidence, nor is there good physical evidence. When hoaxes and anecdotes are excluded, there is nothing left to study.

The process of finding truth.
Scientific Skepticism from Wikipedia

A scientific (or empirical) skeptic is one who questions the reliability of certain kinds of claims by subjecting them to a systematic investigation. The scientific method details the specific process by which this investigation of reality is conducted. Considering the rigor of the scientific method, science itself may simply be thought of as an organized form of skepticism. This does not mean that the scientific skeptic is necessarily a scientist who conducts live experiments (though this may be the case), but that the skeptic generally accepts claims that are in his/her view likely to be true based on testable hypotheses and critical thinking.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Mr Grey I don't know why you post this on a science board everyone knows that scientific minded people will not be convinced by stories or blurry photos.

We might well have been visited but the evidence you present is just not enough.

I am open enough to say yes sure they could have come here but in reality I really dont know.

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This is a science forum for SETI.

It's an acronym.


I have almost 1000 posts on my site but you all insist on having me post chunks of info for your laziness.

No pictures in this thread. Just one movie.


I believe since time is governed by gravity and mass that, on the time line and location of our planet, we are in a comparatively slow time zone compared to the center of our galaxy. It is relevant. Time itself is on my side of the argument. Not to mention the millions of people who have reported in all countries and from within the government and military.

Did you think I'd let a few people who haven't taken the time to look into it to change my stance on the matter? I just try to educate and entertain.

J. Allen Hynek, the government scientist who headed the US investigation of UFOs and denied their existence his entire career ended up giving a video statement of the cover up. He even started his own organization called CUFOS.

http://www.cufos.org/

COL. Philip J. Corso, head of the foreign technology project for the Pentagon after WWII also gives his account on tape and in his book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgO2HQ_42xo

Several astronauts have also come forward. (Need to wrap this up because I have to leave so you'll have to actually look around if you want to know.)


If they weren't real why would so many people in the military be testifying to the fact of their existence?


Why do most people here not believe even when this entire SETI project is to prove it?

LOL


There will always be someone like me. Besides - isn't it fun and interesting trying to prove me wrong?



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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

First there is no such thing as a completely unbiased person. I'm saying that in general people are terrible witnesses and many times we let our preconceptions distort what really happened.
Secondly the burden of proof shouldn't be on me to disprove them. But rather on you to prove your statements. To me it seems like a large leap from seeing a light in the sky to jump to the drastic conclusion that we are being visited by aliens. There is no evidence whatsoever for this. I will admit though that there is some phenomenon going on here. Whether it be aircraft or new unexplained physics or pranksters at work. I think the explanation that there are creatures from other worlds piloting these white dots should be the last one we arrive at. I myself have seen a UFO. And it was exactly that. A unidentified flying object. I work as a lifeguard. I was in the guard stand by the diving well. A low flying disk like shaped object caught my eye above the tree line moving from a residential area. I watched it descend into the woods. I think it was either a flock of bees or some other insect. Or perhaps some balloons released from a party or a piece of mylar or some other material that got loose.

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See modified post below wallas post.

Gotta go


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Why do most people here not believe even when the entire project is to prove it?

I believe that there is other intelligent life in the cosmos. I just don't think that it is here. There are about 10 sextillion stars in the universe. Each one has the possibility of planets. We have seen the building blocks of life floating in great clouds between the stars. The haze on Saturn's moon Titan is composed of complex organic molecules. We are here. We humans are proof that the laws of the universe permit matter to form into thinking, self-aware beings.

"We must be careful not to foist our wishes and fears upon the cosmos. Instead, in the usual scientific tradition, our objective is to find out what the answers really are, independent of our emotional predispositions." - Carl Sagan

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I don't shoot you down for your belief in your theory, but your Carl Sagan point has been acknowledged in several posts here.

I show evidence and you quote Carl.

I get passionate, just like anyone would, when people poop on the parade route. Please address the evidence I present one item at a time. Don't hide behind others.

It's a discussion so we need to discuss.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Shall we kiss and make up?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Shall we kiss and make up?

"That's just wrong." -- Sarge

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me@rescam.org

That is a stomach turner.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss