Predictor is banning members today.

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Philadelphia Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Feb 07 Posts: 1590 Credit: 399,688 RAC: 0	Message 594093 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 2:16:25 UTC - in response to Message 594053. For all who may not be aware... To all interested in the current censoring issues at Predictor, an online petition has been created for userÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s who do not agree with the censorship. The letter is available to read before signing and will be presented to staff at the Scripps Institute to express the feelings of the Boinc community who feel the censorship is wrong and should be addressed. We need as much support as possible, thank you. Link to online petition. I'm not a member of the group, but having said that, if censorship is going on in the group, that is so wrong. All positions, whether we personally agree with it or not, should be shared and heard. That is democracy, not dictorship. If that is not the case, then Big Brother rules, and that is not a situation I'm comfortable with. ID: 594093 ·

Alinator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0	Message 594461 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 16:43:44 UTC - in response to Message 594017. I know that this is not a place for Predictor`s troubles. The issue is that Predictor crunchers should know what`s going on. Their board cannot be used for this discussion, because anyone starting it is getting ip-banned, his accout deleted, and his crunched credits stolen by Predictor`s admin, DLB. Thus it is vital not to let this affair be swept under the carpet (like deleting the evidential threads, libeling the opposing users as hackers). I am so sick of this topic, but let me correct a couple of 'inaccuracies' here. 1.) Yes, it's true that discussion on the 'Wate Question', pro or con, will in all likelyhood draw you a posting suspension. I drew a 60 dayer, and I was defending the project's right to ban anyone, for any reason they saw fit to, for the simple reason that a forum hosted on a private server is not a democracy. However deleting the accounts (and the ban bypassing sub-accounts and team accounts) was reserved for the most egregious 'crusaders', contrary to 'popular' belief. 2.) In the case of a private server, you have no reasonable expection of freedom of speech, regardless of the fact it may be made available to the general public for participation. An analogy here is a political candidate (or organization) has no right to post campaign literature on private property without the owners permission, regardless of the fact the candidate (or organization) does have the free speech right to get their 'word' out. 3.) A Free Speech issue would be if you had set up a web site/forum to voice your opinion on the matter in which PAH had handled the situation and the following protests in their fora, and the Scripps Institute subsequently 'pressured' your web host or ISP to shut down the site. As long as your material was not legally abusive, threatening, or libelous, then you have a free speech issue in a democracy. 4.) Don't even try to play the 'libel' card here. The 'crusaders' played that one first with their ad-hominem attacks on David (and others) when he didn't aquiesce to their demands or POV immediately. The one thing which is certain; this not the place for this discussion to continue. Regards, Alinator ID: 594461 ·

Keith T. Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Aug 99 Posts: 962 Credit: 537,293 RAC: 9	Message 594522 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 18:30:36 UTC - in response to Message 594461. Whilst I agree that this thread belongs in the Cafe rather than here I must correct one of your points. 1.) Yes, it's true that discussion on the 'Wate Question', pro or con, will in all likelyhood draw you a posting suspension. I drew a 60 dayer, and I was defending the project's right to ban anyone, for any reason they saw fit to, for the simple reason that a forum hosted on a private server is not a democracy. However deleting the accounts (and the ban bypassing sub-accounts and team accounts) was reserved for the most egregious 'crusaders', contrary to 'popular' belief. I created an account at Predictor and did not make any message board postings. I did join the "Banned for Life" team which stated it's aims as fighting censorship. My account at Predictor has aparantly been deleted. ID: 594522 ·

Sarge Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79	Message 594832 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 0:22:34 UTC LOL, now they're deleting posts about something they themselves have protested. SUPER IRONY!!! Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 594832 ·

KB7RZF Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 Aug 99 Posts: 9549 Credit: 3,308,926 RAC: 2	Message 594837 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 0:27:44 UTC Wish I had such a boring life to sit here and play around with the boards. ID: 594837 ·

thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 594989 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 4:13:46 UTC Here users can be banned too when using their FREEDOM OF SPEECH even after only having sent a complain about being bullied by mods to the modlist... Account frozen... ID: 594989 ·

KB7RZF Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 Aug 99 Posts: 9549 Credit: 3,308,926 RAC: 2	Message 594991 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 4:17:34 UTC - in response to Message 594989. Here users can be banned too when using their FREEDOM OF SPEECH even after only having sent a complain about being bullied by mods to the modlist... Their servers, their rules, you have no freedom of speech here. FREE ESME!!! FAIR TREATMENT FOR ALL SETIZENS!!!! ID: 594991 ·

thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 594995 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 4:23:29 UTC - in response to Message 594991. Here users can be banned too when using their FREEDOM OF SPEECH even after only having sent a complain about being bullied by mods to the modlist... Their servers, their rules, you have no freedom of speech here. FREE ESME!!! FAIR TREATMENT FOR ALL SETIZENS!!!! You're right. You don't even have the freedom to say that 3 persons have the influence to spoil an entire team here :-( Account frozen... ID: 594995 ·

Nightbird Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Feb 03 Posts: 73 Credit: 53,523 RAC: 0	Message 595404 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 19:44:35 UTC Last modified: 29 Jun 2007, 19:51:29 UTC 1.) Yes, it's true that discussion on the 'Wate Question', pro or con, will in all likelyhood draw you a posting suspension. I drew a 60 dayer, and I was defending the project's right to ban anyone, for any reason they saw fit to, for the simple reason that a forum hosted on a private server is not a democracy. However deleting the accounts (and the ban bypassing sub-accounts and team accounts) was reserved for the most egregious 'crusaders', contrary to 'popular' belief. I would like to correct something too. My account and my credits were deleted at Predictor. Do you know why ? i was not a "crusader" but i joined B4L because i didn't like what was happening. Later i read this news 05/14/07 Due to recent attacks on the Predictor@Home forums by a small group of malicious hackers we have enabled some restrictions in the forums. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause our volunteers. As so often is the case a few bad apples can spoil the lot and their behavior has forced us to enforce policies we would prefer not to. The accounts used by the attackers have been deleted. Despite these issues, which we will weather, we continue to value your efforts and the resources you volunteer toward the scientific objectives of the Predictor@Home project. My account has been deleted. ID: 595404 ·

champ Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 03 Posts: 3642 Credit: 1,489,147 RAC: 0	Message 595407 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 19:48:02 UTC - in response to Message 595404. Last modified: 29 Jun 2007, 19:49:38 UTC 1.) Yes, it's true that discussion on the 'Wate Question', pro or con, will in all likelyhood draw you a posting suspension. I drew a 60 dayer, and I was defending the project's right to ban anyone, for any reason they saw fit to, for the simple reason that a forum hosted on a private server is not a democracy. However deleting the accounts (and the ban bypassing sub-accounts and team accounts) was reserved for the most egregious 'crusaders', contrary to 'popular' belief. I would like to correct something too. My account and my credits were deleted at Predictor. Do you know why ? i was not a "crusader" but i joined B4L because i didn't like what was happening. Later i read this news 05/14/07 Due to recent attacks on the Predictor@Home forums by a small group of malicious hackers we have enabled some restrictions in the forums. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause our volunteers. As so often is the case a few bad apples can spoil the lot and their behavior has forced us to enforce policies we would prefer not to. The accounts used by the attackers have been deleted. Despite these issues, which we will weather, we continue to value your efforts and the resources you volunteer toward the scientific objectives of the Predictor@Home project. My account has been deleted. I was also a member B4L. This team is deleted and all accounts on this team, too. Blame DLB!!! Everyone of B4L has lost all the credits. ID: 595407 ·

thorin belvrog Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0	Message 595411 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 20:11:58 UTC - in response to Message 595407. 1.) Yes, it's true that discussion on the 'Wate Question', pro or con, will in all likelyhood draw you a posting suspension. I drew a 60 dayer, and I was defending the project's right to ban anyone, for any reason they saw fit to, for the simple reason that a forum hosted on a private server is not a democracy. However deleting the accounts (and the ban bypassing sub-accounts and team accounts) was reserved for the most egregious 'crusaders', contrary to 'popular' belief. I would like to correct something too. My account and my credits were deleted at Predictor. Do you know why ? i was not a "crusader" but i joined B4L because i didn't like what was happening. Later i read this news 05/14/07 Due to recent attacks on the Predictor@Home forums by a small group of malicious hackers we have enabled some restrictions in the forums. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause our volunteers. As so often is the case a few bad apples can spoil the lot and their behavior has forced us to enforce policies we would prefer not to. The accounts used by the attackers have been deleted. Despite these issues, which we will weather, we continue to value your efforts and the resources you volunteer toward the scientific objectives of the Predictor@Home project. My account has been deleted. I was also a member B4L. This team is deleted and all accounts on this team, too. Blame DLB!!! Everyone of B4L has lost all the credits. So not "Wate", but B4L were the hackers? Strange argumentation... Account frozen... ID: 595411 ·

champ Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 03 Posts: 3642 Credit: 1,489,147 RAC: 0	Message 595415 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 20:14:45 UTC Isnt he? Wate has got all his credits? ID: 595415 ·

Sarge Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79	Message 595457 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 22:16:35 UTC - in response to Message 595407. 1.) Yes, it's true that discussion on the 'Wate Question', pro or con, will in all likelyhood draw you a posting suspension. I drew a 60 dayer, and I was defending the project's right to ban anyone, for any reason they saw fit to, for the simple reason that a forum hosted on a private server is not a democracy. However deleting the accounts (and the ban bypassing sub-accounts and team accounts) was reserved for the most egregious 'crusaders', contrary to 'popular' belief. I would like to correct something too. My account and my credits were deleted at Predictor. Do you know why ? i was not a "crusader" but i joined B4L because i didn't like what was happening. Later i read this news 05/14/07 Due to recent attacks on the Predictor@Home forums by a small group of malicious hackers we have enabled some restrictions in the forums. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause our volunteers. As so often is the case a few bad apples can spoil the lot and their behavior has forced us to enforce policies we would prefer not to. The accounts used by the attackers have been deleted. Despite these issues, which we will weather, we continue to value your efforts and the resources you volunteer toward the scientific objectives of the Predictor@Home project. My account has been deleted. I was also a member B4L. This team is deleted and all accounts on this team, too. Blame DLB!!! Everyone of B4L has lost all the credits. Champ, as the situation here at SETI@Home will rival this, and since you are a mod here, you might want to be careful admitting what you did there. ;) Just watching out for you, friend. Auf wierdersehen. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. ID: 595457 ·

Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0	Message 595473 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 22:49:09 UTC - in response to Message 595407. I was also a member B4L. This team is deleted and all accounts on this team, too. Blame DLB!!! Everyone of B4L has lost all the credits. B4L was great. I created it. Yep, I sure did. I vote Skeletor for moderator! me@rescam.org ID: 595473 ·

Fuzzy Hollynoodles Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0	Message 595477 - Posted: 29 Jun 2007, 23:07:50 UTC - in response to Message 595473. I was also a member B4L. This team is deleted and all accounts on this team, too. Blame DLB!!! Everyone of B4L has lost all the credits. B4L was great. I created it. Yep, I sure did. I vote Skeletor for moderator! And for that we blame you! :-P Skeletor looks remarkably muscular for a skeleton. :-O "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me ID: 595477 ·

Alinator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0	Message 595685 - Posted: 30 Jun 2007, 4:54:51 UTC - in response to Message 595407. 1.) Yes, it's true that discussion on the 'Wate Question', pro or con, will in all likelyhood draw you a posting suspension. I drew a 60 dayer, and I was defending the project's right to ban anyone, for any reason they saw fit to, for the simple reason that a forum hosted on a private server is not a democracy. However deleting the accounts (and the ban bypassing sub-accounts and team accounts) was reserved for the most egregious 'crusaders', contrary to 'popular' belief. I would like to correct something too. My account and my credits were deleted at Predictor. Do you know why ? i was not a "crusader" but i joined B4L because i didn't like what was happening. Later i read this news 05/14/07 Due to recent attacks on the Predictor@Home forums by a small group of malicious hackers we have enabled some restrictions in the forums. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause our volunteers. As so often is the case a few bad apples can spoil the lot and their behavior has forced us to enforce policies we would prefer not to. The accounts used by the attackers have been deleted. Despite these issues, which we will weather, we continue to value your efforts and the resources you volunteer toward the scientific objectives of the Predictor@Home project. My account has been deleted. I was also a member B4L. This team is deleted and all accounts on this team, too. Blame DLB!!! Everyone of B4L has lost all the credits. Yes, I suppose I over generalized about the 'protest' team situation. As I said when the flap was going on originally, I didn't think PAH management handled the whole affair very well, and basically made a pretty minor event into a major PR disaster. Whacking people's accounts due to guilt by association for choosing to join a protest team was just one of a number of bad decisions they made. Alinator ID: 595685 ·

Clyde C. Phillips, III Send message Joined: 2 Aug 00 Posts: 1851 Credit: 5,955,047 RAC: 0	Message 596020 - Posted: 30 Jun 2007, 18:23:46 UTC - in response to Message 593746. I have been avoiding Predictor because I have thought it has had very long workunits. Now I have another reason to avoid Predictor. Update: I confused "ClimatePrediction" with "Predictor" on workunit length. However the same applies. I would still avoid "Predictor" as long as it has a corrupt administration. ID: 596020 ·

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