They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

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A US Company would be one that is registered in the US. No not JUST registered to do Business, but one that is Registered and Licensed and founded here. Stockholders are an unimportant entity in this discussion.

The companies that see value in moving overseas, i.e. the ones that have done/do it, don't care where they are registered, licensed, and founded. If they want to leave, they do, they have, and they will. The more expensive you make it here, the faster they will leave.

Once they do, U.S. tax law is of no interest to them. They don't care what you think about it. Changing registration and licensing is easy.

Why, for example, do you think that ships are generally registered outside of the U.S.? Because they aren't subject to punitive U.S. regulation and tax law. All the tax laws in the world don't mean anything to them, they don't care.

Actually this is sorta true, Exxon/Mobil did not "open" a new company overseas, they are still Exxon/Mobil. They just do not bring any profits back to the US because of the current tax rules. This would stop under my idea.

I'll bet Exxon owns hundreds, if not a few thousand, subsidiaries worldwide. While you say it would stop, Exxon would just leave, and cease paying what you think they should pay.

Keeping in mind, of course, that every single cent of tax is passed directly on to the consumer.

They would not be able to say these monies were earned overseas and are therefore not taxable.

Yes, they could. For obvious reasons, U.S. tax law is not sovereign worldwide and Exxon could simply refuse to pay it. Just as they do now. They don't bring the money here because they lose 35% off the top. That's idiotic.

The tax rate, under my idea, would be less than the 35%, it would be the same as if the money were earned in the US. The Company is based and Headquartered in the US, it pays money on its assets in the US, ALL of its assets!

Heh. You tell 'em. And the U.S. corporate tax rate is 35%, up to 39% in some cases.

That is true, but the U.S.G. awards hundreds of millions, billions even, of dollars of contracts each year. If your Company wants no part of that fine, but the US worker will then take over and make the money and it will help to keep the economy going. Not line the pockets of some overseas Company.

Heh. Ever consider how many "foreign parts" go into a quintessentially American product like an F-16? Avionics, machined parts, sub-assemblies, et cetera. Guess what? The money lines the pockets of any number of overseas companies... Why? Because it's not possible to build such things anymore with 100% American parts. Not by a long shot.

Actually I did not send any money overseas when I bought my computer, I build my own and buy the parts from the local mom and pop store. When I do have one built, it is also by them. Where they buy their parts is part of the overall problem, but not part of the issue we are discussing. They are not part of the Companies that have taken their monies overseas. And those Companies that do go overseas will have to reweigh those decisions, especially if they can no longer supply the U.S.G. with materials. Currently they can do both, leave and still get the U.S.G.'s money!

Actually, it is exactly the issue we are discussing. Your mom and pop store is just a middle man, sending your money directly overseas for nearly every single part you bought from them. If you can understand why they do it (to buy parts at a reasonable price) you can understand why it is done on a significantly larger scale: to avoid costs. Taxes are just costs, just like raw materials and labor.

You seem to think people/corporations are in this for you, or your idea of fairness, or some other silly horse hockey. They aren't. The higher you drive their costs up, the faster they will leave. No one makes TVs in the U.S. anymore, because it wasn't worth the effort--they left.

Why? They do not have to pay punitive U.S. tax and regulatory costs that way. And that makes simple economic sense. GM makes cars all around the world--they don't need a building in Detroit to do that.

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elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

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They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

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From an article in the NYT

With One Word, Children’s Book Sets Off Uproar

The word “scrotum” does not often appear in polite conversation. Or children’s literature, for that matter.

Yet there it is on the first page of “The Higher Power of Lucky,” by Susan Patron, this year’s winner of the Newbery Medal, the most prestigious award in children’s literature. The book’s heroine, a scrappy 10-year-old orphan named Lucky Trimble, hears the word through a hole in a wall when another character says he saw a rattlesnake bite his dog, Roy, on the scrotum.

“Scrotum sounded to Lucky like something green that comes up when you have the flu and cough too much,” the book continues. “It sounded medical and secret, but also important.”

[snip]

“I think it’s a good case of an author not realizing her audience,” said Frederick Muller, a librarian at Halsted Middle School in Newton, N.J. “If I were a third- or fourth-grade teacher, I wouldn’t want to have to explain that.”

Authors of children’s books sometimes sneak in a single touchy word or paragraph, leaving librarians to choose whether to ban an entire book over one offending phrase.

In the case of “Lucky,” some of them take no chances. Wendy Stoll, a librarian at Smyrna Elementary in Louisville, Ky., wrote on the LM_Net mailing list that she would not stock the book. Andrea Koch, the librarian at French Road Elementary School in Brighton, N.Y., said she anticipated angry calls from parents if she ordered it. “I don’t think our teachers, or myself, want to do that vocabulary lesson,” she said in an interview. One librarian who responded to Ms. Nilsson’s posting on LM_Net said only: “Sad to say, I didn’t order it for either of my schools, based on ‘the word.’ ”

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Is this real possible in the "land of the free"?
A childrens book can be banned from libraries by some prude extremists because of an innocent word for a perfectly normal body part?

The uproar in the readers opinions section is quite unison, but that's probably only those who read the NYT, wich is afaik considered a bit to the left for american standards.

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From an article in the NYT

With One Word, Children’s Book Sets Off Uproar

The word “scrotum” does not often appear in polite conversation. Or children’s literature, for that matter.

Yet there it is on the first page of “The Higher Power of Lucky,” by Susan Patron, this year’s winner of the Newbery Medal, the most prestigious award in children’s literature. The book’s heroine, a scrappy 10-year-old orphan named Lucky Trimble, hears the word through a hole in a wall when another character says he saw a rattlesnake bite his dog, Roy, on the scrotum.

“Scrotum sounded to Lucky like something green that comes up when you have the flu and cough too much,” the book continues. “It sounded medical and secret, but also important.”

[snip]

“I think it’s a good case of an author not realizing her audience,” said Frederick Muller, a librarian at Halsted Middle School in Newton, N.J. “If I were a third- or fourth-grade teacher, I wouldn’t want to have to explain that.”

Authors of children’s books sometimes sneak in a single touchy word or paragraph, leaving librarians to choose whether to ban an entire book over one offending phrase.

In the case of “Lucky,” some of them take no chances. Wendy Stoll, a librarian at Smyrna Elementary in Louisville, Ky., wrote on the LM_Net mailing list that she would not stock the book. Andrea Koch, the librarian at French Road Elementary School in Brighton, N.Y., said she anticipated angry calls from parents if she ordered it. “I don’t think our teachers, or myself, want to do that vocabulary lesson,” she said in an interview. One librarian who responded to Ms. Nilsson’s posting on LM_Net said only: “Sad to say, I didn’t order it for either of my schools, based on ‘the word.’ ”

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Is this real possible in the "land of the free"?
A childrens book can be banned from libraries by some prude extremists because of an innocent word for a perfectly normal body part?

The uproar in the readers opinions section is quite unison, but that's probably only those who read the NYT, wich is afaik considered a bit to the left for american standards.

We are the land of the free...you're free here to be a complete idiot...just ask any voter. However, if the author had used the British word "bollocks" the average American wouldn't have understood it, and there wouldn't have been this uproar from the Puritan Squad.

BTW...I already read that article.

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They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

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Why? They do not have to pay punitive U.S. tax and regulatory costs that way. And that makes simple economic sense. GM makes cars all around the world--they don't need a building in Detroit to do that.

Since you haven't actually read a single word I wrote I will make it simpler...any Company that stays in the US will have exclusive access to all U.S.G. contracts. Also any Company that stays, or comes, will pay a lower corporate tax rate than they currently pay. NO MORE 36% tax rate, or 39% rate either!!!!
ALL monies earned by a Company will be subject to taxes, even monies earned out of the Country. BUT as stated earlier, AT A LOWER THAN 35% RATE!

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Why? They do not have to pay punitive U.S. tax and regulatory costs that way. And that makes simple economic sense. GM makes cars all around the world--they don't need a building in Detroit to do that.

Since you haven't actually read a single word I wrote I will make it simpler...any Company that stays in the US will have exclusive access to all U.S.G. contracts. Also any Company that stays, or comes, will pay a lower corporate tax rate than they currently pay. NO MORE 36% tax rate, or 39% rate either!!!!
ALL monies earned by a Company will be subject to taxes, even monies earned out of the Country. BUT as stated earlier, AT A LOWER THAN 35% RATE!

So they will be taxed twice if they do business with other countires. Once in the US, and of course in the other countries for their subsideries there, because they have to pay the taxes were they are earned, for example in the EU.

I don't like tax shelters as well, be 'em Channel Islands, Zwitzerland, Caymans, Delaware, Luxemburg or whereever. The only good they do is shelter as much money as possible from being used by the society for good things. And they only serve those who have ridicoulously much money, not the average guy/gal.
The average guy/gal has no chance to get it's money off-shore (and avoid the necessary payments for the infrastructure, justice system, police, government... you name it).
So the unavoidable stuff in the budged will be paied for not by those who could easily do so, without much notice, but mostly by those for whome 1 grand is a lot of money.

Since you haven't actually read a single word I wrote I will make it simpler...

Odd then, that I replied in-line... Maybe coherent would be better than simpler...

any Company that stays in the US will have exclusive access to all U.S.G. contracts.

Big deal, they leave now, in lieu of them. U.S.G contracts are not the be-all, end-all of business.

Also any Company that stays, or comes, will pay a lower corporate tax rate than they currently pay. NO MORE 36% tax rate, or 39% rate either!!!! ALL monies earned by a Company will be subject to taxes, even monies earned out of the Country. BUT as stated earlier, AT A LOWER THAN 35% RATE!

I have no problem with that, but you ain't running the gov't.

And even if you were, you likely couldn't get a massive corporate tax rate cut past Congress.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

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me@rescam.org

They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

I left that one in England...I didn't know you were into water sports...must be a Naval thing......sooo Calfornia.

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They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

I left that one in England...I didn't know you were into water sports...must be a Naval thing......sooo Calfornia.

That's not my naval you're staring at.

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me@rescam.org

They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

I left that one in England...I didn't know you were into water sports...must be a Naval thing......sooo Calfornia.

That's not my naval you're staring at.

Can't...there's a big fold of fat in the way.

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They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

I left that one in England...I didn't know you were into water sports...must be a Naval thing......sooo Calfornia.

That's not my naval you're staring at.

Can't...there's a big fold of fat in the way.

That provides greatly needed shade. And I need a lot of shade.

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They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

I left that one in England...I didn't know you were into water sports...must be a Naval thing......sooo Calfornia.

That's not my naval you're staring at.

Can't...there's a big fold of fat in the way.

That provides greatly needed shade. And I need a lot of shade.

Yup...keeps your knees from getting sunburnt and your shoes wet in the rain.

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They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

I left that one in England...I didn't know you were into water sports...must be a Naval thing......sooo Calfornia.

That's not my naval you're staring at.

Can't...there's a big fold of fat in the way.

That provides greatly needed shade. And I need a lot of shade.

Yup...keeps your thiegs from getting sunburnt and your shoes wet in the rain.

And we wouldn't want our steel-toes to rust.

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They did NOTHING as usual! But they did get PAID for it! No work on fixing [snip]

Hey... Give 'em a break... They've been busy killing innocent civilians and destroying nations... ;)

...let's not talk that way about the religious right in the United States and their government minions.

Plenty of leftest liberals in our government too.

...they all moved to California.

stopping off in Vegas on the way here.

...just long enough to drop some money...then on to California to hire a cheap maid.

They had an outfit in your size?

I have no idea...perhaps they should check your closet when they get to Diego.

I wouldn't dream of disturbing your hiding place.

Sorry, I don't use a closet, I use a wardrode...yours will have to suffice, I'm sure you will have something that will fit after the Navy Ball.

Do not deny your water closet.

I left that one in England...I didn't know you were into water sports...must be a Naval thing......sooo Calfornia.

That's not my naval you're staring at.

Can't...there's a big fold of fat in the way.

That provides greatly needed shade. And I need a lot of shade.

Yup...keeps your thiegs from getting sunburnt and your shoes wet in the rain.

And we wouldn't want our steel-toes to rust.

...the family heirlooms from her military service days?

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Since you haven't actually read a single word I wrote I will make it simpler...

Odd then, that I replied in-line... Maybe coherent would be better than simpler...

any Company that stays in the US will have exclusive access to all U.S.G. contracts.

Big deal, they leave now, in lieu of them. U.S.G contracts are not the be-all, end-all of business.

Also any Company that stays, or comes, will pay a lower corporate tax rate than they currently pay. NO MORE 36% tax rate, or 39% rate either!!!! ALL monies earned by a Company will be subject to taxes, even monies earned out of the Country. BUT as stated earlier, AT A LOWER THAN 35% RATE!

I have no problem with that, but you ain't running the gov't.

And even if you were, you likely couldn't get a massive corporate tax rate cut past Congress.

Oh my - not this darned subject again...

Okay:
A simple example from East Germany, a couple of years ago:
A world-wide well-known car producing company stated that they wanted to build a facility in East Germany, offering - let's say: 1000 jobs. And they spread out that they were looking for a well-prepared and good-to-reach place to build on.
Three towns prepared new grounds as industrial places (paid by the tax-payers) and offered aid-money to them for each employed former jobless person (up to the same costs the company would have paid per employee). So the only cost this company would have been the material for building the facility.

But: There was a Czech town heard that also. They also prepared a place paid by tax-payers, and offered them a similar amount of aid-money as these German towns - and they got it, because the wages are cheaper there.
So all in all, this rich company gets paid by this Czech town to employ their people! And where do they pay their taxes? As I read last year, this well-known, famous "German" company had been able to manipulate the countable income down to just 10 millions - means 3 millions on taxes for Germany: less than they had to pay for their new facility in this Czech town - and even less than the difference between the costs for this factory over there in the Czech Republic and East Germany.

I think, an US company should produce only in the US, a German company only in Germany, a Japanese company only in Japan etc, and they should not be able to simply buy other companies of other countries. I have nothing against producing by product licences, or by kind of franchise, but then the producers remain quite independent.
Between 1990 and the fusion with Chrysler, Daimler-Benz for example haven't paid any taxes to Germany. They always managed to let it look like having no taxable income. But they couldn't managed to be not involved in the Party Donation scandal in the late 90's.

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And even if you were, you likely couldn't get a massive corporate tax rate cut past Congress.

That about sums up the content and substance of your discussion doesn't it?

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