I think, if people were interested in learning from history, many things would be otherwise in the States and on the entire world.

Look Iraq. The entire situation there reminds me to Korea and Vietnam, only worse.

Look all the countries in the "free" world: with a look into history of the former socialist countries, the workers and now unemployed people could realize that if they unite and revolt, they could take the power themselves and throw those capitalocusts out.

Look all these racist and neo-fascist organizations in the world: could they exist if people had learned from history?

Look at all the mute majority, who ignore the fact that they DO have a voice to shout, that they DO have a spine to stand upright, that they DO have feet to march and demonstrate.
There have been enough examples in history showing how people caused to change the entire government, the entire politics of a country just by marching and demonstrating. By daring to risk freedom.

But unfortunately, the vast majority is mostly just cowardly. Everywhere.

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A very poignant post from you Chuck. It is quite true that the majority do not care to act early enough to bad things that are happening under their noses and by the time they want to act they find it is too late. A little like the global warming issue we are facing at the moment.

It's a shame that we are always doomed to repeat the past over and over and over again. The whole human race cannot see past our greed, our selfishness and delusions of excessive self worth to learn from the past and act accordingly. We will always have people around who sow the seeds of doubt regarding the past and steer us off the course to where we need to go and what we need to do.

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Most of this is just vacuous.

Look Iraq. The entire situation there reminds me to Korea and Vietnam, only worse.

Except that Iraq isn't like Korea or Vietnam at all. Those were both, for the most part, hot wars. What you have in Iraq is Iraqis slaughtering other Iraqis and a trickle of American soldiers.

Look all the countries in the "free" world: with a look into history of the former socialist countries, the workers and now unemployed people could realize that if they unite and revolt, they could take the power themselves and throw those capitalocusts out.

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Why don't you start with the autoworkers unions? Why doesn't the union just re-open all those manufacturing plants? What are they waiting for? They're sitting empty. They've got all the manpower they need. They could take power themselves and make and sell those cars!! Workers unite, right?

Look all these racist and neo-fascist organizations in the world: could they exist if people had learned from history?

Yes. Because people are human. And they contain anger and hate and it is easier to scapegoat someone else than to deal with reality. Note, for example, your hatred of the "capitalocusts" above. If you can understand how you haven't learned from history and blame whatever they are for the plight of the "worker" then you can see how others do the same, blaming some other group.

Look at all the mute majority, who ignore the fact that they DO have a voice to shout, that they DO have a spine to stand upright, that they DO have feet to march and demonstrate.

Nice that you too feel you can speak for others that you don't know. Maybe they simply disagree with you, aren't interested in the same (often futile) causes. Maybe they simply don't exist or (more likely) are simply a tiny minority.

There have been enough examples in history showing how people caused to change the entire government, the entire politics of a country just by marching and demonstrating. By daring to risk freedom.

Good luck with that.

But unfortunately, the vast majority is mostly just cowardly. Everywhere.

Nice generalization. More likely, they simply disagree with you. Or, they live their lives as best that can as they see fit. And they simply don't care what you think, your causes aren't important to them, and they never will be.

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A very poignant post from you Chuck. It is quite true that the majority do not care to act early enough to bad things that are happening under their noses and by the time they want to act they find it is too late. A little like the global warming issue we are facing at the moment.

Ah, more editorializing. Because some (most?) of them disagree with you, they don't care enough to act? They do just as you do, live their lives as best they can. While you may aggregate those decisions into some "we're all going to die" scenario, that doesn't mean they don't care. Or really much of anything else.

It's a shame that we are always doomed to repeat the past over and over and over again. The whole human race cannot see past our greed, our selfishness and delusions of excessive self worth to learn from the past and act accordingly.

Why the loathing and self-hatred? The "whole human race" is six billion people, each making their own individual decisions. Your aggregation of those decisions, again, does not mean they are all greedy, or selfish, or deluded. Or even that any of them are. "We" don't repeat the mistakes of the past because "we" don't do anything.

We will always have people around who sow the seeds of doubt regarding the past and steer us off the course to where we need to go and what we need to do.

You should try the DPRK. There they have people to tell them exactly what to do and to think and to steer them on the course where they need to go and what to do. The past is in stark black and white.

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Action = ReAction

Re-Action = Action

. . . morE than likEly though - thErE won't bE *eithEr* casE

imho: iT's bEcausE thEir All watchin' American Idol (or suCh)and so arE LOST in idolry (and suCh)

> History Repeating Itself (Too latE - i vomit . . .)

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Look at all the mute majority, who ignore the fact that they DO have a voice to shout, that they DO have a spine to stand upright, that they DO have feet to march and demonstrate.

Nice that you too feel you can speak for others that you don't know. Maybe they simply disagree with you, aren't interested in the same (often futile) causes. Maybe they simply don't exist or (more likely) are simply a tiny minority.

There have been enough examples in history showing how people caused to change the entire government, the entire politics of a country just by marching and demonstrating. By daring to risk freedom.

Good luck with that.

But unfortunately, the vast majority is mostly just cowardly. Everywhere.

Nice generalization. More likely, they simply disagree with you. Or, they live their lives as best that can as they see fit. And they simply don't care what you think, your causes aren't important to them, and they never will be.

Well, okay - my anti-capitalist arguments may seem a bit exaggerated. What I experienced was no good, well, except the theoretical freedom to travel, and the theoretical freedom of speach... What is this good for when the money to travel is lacking because you have to pay 20 times more mortgage (Well, according to the number before the currency) for your flat than before the wall came down?
And the freedom of speech: I lost a job in 1994 because I participated on a demonstration, after work, and said on this demonstration, in my spare-time, what I thought about the subject (I thought it was transport of nuclear waste)! Freedom of speech? The right to share one's opinion without getting punished for it except what was said is against the law? There was more of it in other systems.

As I realized, people mourn a lot and discuss: during lunch-breaks in their cafeterias and after work in the pubs, how inhuman and how unjust the system would be, how many hours they had to work though the tariffs say otherwise, and how little wages they got... Everyone is mourning, everyone is discontented, And they agree that what they are talking and mourning about should be changed. But if they stood up and said: "Hey, We're fed up with this! We want more justice! We want that the company keeps the tariffs they agreed with!" or: "We don't want send our kids to war anymore!" et cetera (just examples) they could CHANGE things! But it doesn't work because only very few people try that. And the less people do demonstrate, the less influence does it have, and the less things are changed.

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Well, okay - my anti-capitalist arguments may seem a bit exaggerated. What I experienced was no good, well, except the theoretical freedom to travel, and the theoretical freedom of speach... What is this good for when the money to travel is lacking because you have to pay 20 times more mortgage (Well, according to the number before the currency) for your flat than before the wall came down?

I have no idea here. Nothing is free, everything has a cost. That someone else was forced at the point of a gun (poor Soviets, poor East Germans, et cetera) to pay those costs, doesn't mean the flat was any cheaper. It means that other people were forced to pay for something against their wishes that they otherwise would not have paid for. In this case, that was to your benefit. But rest assured, much of what you had was taken from you to pay for stuff for someone else. Kinda like the "free" health care in the UK.

And the freedom of speech: I lost a job in 1994 because I participated on a demonstration, after work, and said on this demonstration, in my spare-time, what I thought about the subject (I thought it was transport of nuclear waste)! Freedom of speech? The right to share one's opinion without getting punished for it except what was said is against the law? There was more of it in other systems.

Freedom of speech? What does that have to do with you getting skrewed?

As I realized, people mourn a lot and discuss: during lunch-breaks in their cafeterias and after work in the pubs, how inhuman and how unjust the system would be, how many hours they had to work though the tariffs say otherwise, and how little wages they got... Everyone is mourning, everyone is discontented, And they agree that what they are talking and mourning about should be changed. But if they stood up and said: "Hey, We're fed up with this! We want more justice! We want that the company keeps the tariffs they agreed with!" or: "We don't want send our kids to war anymore!" et cetera (just examples) they could CHANGE things!

Pfffft. That's just sloganeering. Slogans don't change things. Those people, if they ACTUALLY believe what they say (and I really doubt it, they're just bitching) could just do the job themselves. Just like the autoworkers could. What are they waiting for? Those factories are sitting empty. The union could just run them and sell all the cars they want and they could pay the workers double what rat-bastard GM was paying them. Right? If not, why not?

But it doesn't work because only very few people try that. And the less people do demonstrate, the less influence does it have, and the less things are changed.

Let's see, people demonstrated against the U.S. involvement in Vietnam and the U.S. remained there for 25 years. Think that was effective? Or did the gov't get out when it was good and ready?

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Is rush making sense again? we can't have that.

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thank you, Richard. -I'm just a bit confused because of a lot of other things

Kinda like the "free" health care in the UK.

What do you have against a free health care (if it is free)? Fully paid by the tax-payers and the health-insurance? What is so evil about not having to pay for each needed medical treatment? Imagine someone stole your purse with all your money and card, the next day you need to go to the hospital with an appendix and get no treatment, because you have no money with you? How sick is this?
I mean, treatments which are not necessary (example: most cosmetic surgery) surely can be payed full amount by the patients. There's nothing to argue that. But when you already pay health insurance, why should you have to pay for medical treatment?

Freedom of speech? What does that have to do with you getting skrewed?

Well, I worked in a school these times, and was paid by the town. And they thought that an employee of the town has to shut his mouth in private, and fired me.

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What do you have against a free health care (if it is free)?

I have nothing against health care. However, it isn't free. They pay dearly for it. Just like you paid dearly for someone else's stuff. Just like those poor Soviets paid dearly to finance your flat. I do have a problem with being forced to pay for it.

Fully paid by the tax-payers and the health-insurance? What is so evil about not having to pay for each needed medical treatment? Imagine someone stole your purse with all your money and card, the next day you need to go to the hospital with an appendix and get no treatment, because you have no money with you? How sick is this?

Again, it isn't free. You pay for it dearly and it is rationed out to you because the system won't bankrupt itself to save everyone at any cost. In other words, once you become too expensive you just die. On to the waiting list you go...

I mean, treatments which are not necessary (example: most cosmetic surgery) surely can be payed full amount by the patients. There's nothing to argue that. But when you already pay health insurance, why should you have to pay for medical treatment?

"Heath insurance" is just a pyramid game, but legal, but that's fine, as long as you aren't forced to participate.

Well, I worked in a school these times, and was paid by the town. And they thought that an employee of the town has to shut his mouth in private, and fired me.

No real surprise there. Spend your off time as an employee of Nike badmouthing them and they can fire you there too. Freedom of speech isn't an unlimited right.

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What do you have against a free health care (if it is free)?

I have nothing against health care. However, it isn't free. They pay dearly for it. Just like you paid dearly for someone else's stuff. Just like those poor Soviets paid dearly to finance your flat. I do have a problem with being forced to pay for it.

Fully paid by the tax-payers and the health-insurance? What is so evil about not having to pay for each needed medical treatment? Imagine someone stole your purse with all your money and card, the next day you need to go to the hospital with an appendix and get no treatment, because you have no money with you? How sick is this?

Again, it isn't free. You pay for it dearly and it is rationed out to you because the system won't bankrupt itself to save everyone at any cost. In other words, once you become too expensive you just die. On to the waiting list you go...

I mean, treatments which are not necessary (example: most cosmetic surgery) surely can be payed full amount by the patients. There's nothing to argue that. But when you already pay health insurance, why should you have to pay for medical treatment?

"Heath insurance" is just a pyramid game, but legal, but that's fine, as long as you aren't forced to participate.

Well, I worked in a school these times, and was paid by the town. And they thought that an employee of the town has to shut his mouth in private, and fired me.

No real surprise there. Spend your off time as an employee of Nike badmouthing them and they can fire you there too. Freedom of speech isn't an unlimited right.

All you are doing is advancing some sort of sick egotistical vision of the world.. You need to stop doing that. I find it offensive. You and your ideads don't allow for anyone to take a break from the cold hard facts of the world and just enjoy themselves. What is the matter with you?

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All you are doing is advancing some sort of sick egotistical vision of the world.. You need to stop doing that. I find it offensive. You and your ideads don't allow for anyone to take a break from the cold hard facts of the world and just enjoy themselves. What is the matter with you?

This reminds me of an old tea pot and kettle story... ;)

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All you are doing is advancing some sort of sick egotistical vision of the world.. You need to stop doing that. I find it offensive. You and your ideads don't allow for anyone to take a break from the cold hard facts of the world and just enjoy themselves. What is the matter with you?

This reminds me of an old tea pot and kettle story... ;)

That was me being facetious with Rush. I agree with everything he said.

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I agree with everything he said.

This reminds me of another old story about birds, feathers, and flocking together... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

I agree with everything he said.

This reminds me of another old story about birds, feathers, and flocking together... ;)

Not a story, Jeffery, a proverb.

Not a story, Jeffery, a proverb.

Thanks for the clarification... I knew you had a purpose other than spreading disinformation... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

I agree with everything he said.

This reminds me of another old story about birds, feathers, and flocking together... ;)

Not a story, Jeffery, a proverb.

When are you coming over to join the 'Dark Side', Bill?

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