This is humanity's story.
But a million years ago we were in caverns,[snip]!

Yup we've advanced, we've moved from Caverns to Taverns.

Franz.

I think you may have interpreted my last post incorrectley. All I am trying to say is that, errors are going to happen, nothing is perfect. Granted I am sure all of us that are running S@H and all other project would like it to be error free.

But complaining about it will not achieve anything. The only thing that will help is to give money. I am not financialy able to do so at the minute. However if my situation changes I would make a donation to the cause.

May be my incorrect interpretation, may be not.
I'm a 50 years old man (with 30 years in IT) and I know what your are telling me.
But please, I have understood and I don't agree this:

<<The only thing that will help is to give money>>

No. Money is good but I have given also other ideas of solution.
It's not only hardware to buy .... but most important is software to develope, to have a system more "fault tolerant".

This is a cooperative process.
I do my best
a) optimizing computers and software
b) protecting it against any fault (UPS and so on).

Berkeley staff must do the best
a) studing a sistem able to get max result from millions of host
b) studing a system that do not waste any workunit.

Of course nothing is perfect and errors (as murpy's laws) are behind any corner but we have to fight against errors in any way. "give us mor money" is an answer but can't be the only one.

If the sistem is too much complex .... (too many components) errors will grows up, by example.

So instead of "give us more money" I suggest the very old suggestion "keep it simple, stupid".

Bye,
Franz

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Franz.

I think you may have interpreted my last post incorrectley. All I am trying to say is that, errors are going to happen, nothing is perfect. Granted I am sure all of us that are running S@H and all other project would like it to be error free.

But complaining about it will not achieve anything. The only thing that will help is to give money. I am not financialy able to do so at the minute. However if my situation changes I would make a donation to the cause.

May be my incorrect interpretation, may be not.
I'm a 50 years old man (with 30 years in IT) and I know what your are telling me.
But please, I have understood and I don't agree this:

<<The only thing that will help is to give money>>

No. Money is good but I have given also other ideas of solution.
It's not only hardware to buy .... but most important is software to develope, to have a system more "fault tolerant".

This is a cooperative process.
I do my best
a) optimizing computers and software
b) protecting it against any fault (UPS and so on).

Berkeley staff must do the best
a) studing a sistem able to get max result from millions of host
b) studing a system that do not waste any workunit.

Of course nothing is perfect and errors (as murpy's laws) are behind any corner but we have to fight against errors in any way. "give us mor money" is an answer but can't be the only one.

If the sistem is too much complex .... (too many components) errors will grows up, by example.

So instead of "give us more money" I suggest the very old suggestion "keep it simple, stupid".

Bye,
Franz

While I agree with what you say, I have to say, without any donations of money or equipment, SETI cannot do what they need to do to even keep the project running.

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While I agree with what you say, I have to say, without any donations of money or equipment, SETI cannot do what they need to do to even keep the project running.

Agreed. Sometimes money doesn't solve everything. But in this case, it's like trying to make a meal for 400 people with only one stove burner and one oven. In this case, the only way to make things work is with new/better hardware that's better equipped to handle the load and offer fault tolerance.

Sorry Franz, but it isn't as simple as finding other ideas or different software. Just because you've been in IT for 30 years, doesn't mean you know what the folks at Berkeley are going through or what they're needs are. Making suggestions based upon assumptions and "just get it done one way or another" attitude doesn't always cut it.

Every time there's a problem on Berkeley's end, people throw up posts left and right saying "Fix it - and here's the right way to do it.", but reality is, they have no idea about the nuances of the job entailed on Berkeley's end. Everyone has the solution without really knowing the problem.

We can all just keep telling them to fix it or we'll leave, but that isn't necessarily going to help solve it - especially if the primary problem is funding. The greatest software in the world will do no good if you don't have a fault tolerant fail-over server as a backup.

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I'm a 50 years old man (with 30 years in IT) and I know what your are telling me.
But please, I have understood and I don't agree this:

<<The only thing that will help is to give money>>

No. Money is good but I have given also other ideas of solution.
It's not only hardware to buy .... but most important is software to develope, to have a system more "fault tolerant".

I am working in the mission critical buissnes as system engineer.
If you wan't a mission critical solution, you have to spend a lot of money to build the redundancies, buy the clustering software, educate the admins for the new mission critical clustering software and equipment, redunancy enviorment, and so on...
Every 9 after the 99 doubles the costs. For example 99,9 to 99,99 doubleling the costs.
So money is the most important factor.

This is a cooperative process.
I do my best
a) optimizing computers and software
b) protecting it against any fault (UPS and so on).

So far I know do they still have UPS in use. UPSes are the minor costs.
The software (specialy the clients) are still developed to cover outages (by the caching mechanism). The design of the server side looks very good. I have also a BOINC server running at home, which is the same design like the SETI servers.
But, the old hardware on the server side did not make this easier. With more modern (actual) servers and storage systems it would be easier to handle the heavy IO. In short, more IO = more money for hardware, old hardware breaks, new hardware = money.

Berkeley staff must do the best

Sorry, I feel this very offense against the SETI admins. They do there best, they are limited by the budget.
I have a lot of respect for the admins, because they do a great job with old hardware in a enviroment with a heavy load.
You asked for respect for the crunchers, but I did not see any respect from your side.

a) studing a sistem able to get max result from millions of host
b) studing a system that do not waste any workunit.

The heavy load of results is excatly the point, where the buissnes would be complicated.
If more traffic and IO you have, even more expensive hardware you need, that you can handle the IO. Also more IO and traffic mades the administration more complex. And this better hardware costs money.

Of course nothing is perfect and errors (as murpy's laws) are behind any corner but we have to fight against errors in any way. "give us mor money" is an answer but can't be the only one.

If the sistem is too much complex .... (too many components) errors will grows up, by example.

So instead of "give us more money" I suggest the very old suggestion "keep it simple, stupid".

No. Complex Systems are able to be handeld. Some buissnes could (with heavy IO and traffic) only handled with some complexity. Sorry, this why there are system engineers out there. You should accept, that things in IT could get broken. Your whining did not help...
Your agruments that a simple system have no errors is not correct. What happens if you install everything on one system, and anything goes wrong ? - I would hear whining you...

If you read the technical news, you see that the most common failures caused by old hardware wich produces failures. Have I said, that is cost money ;-)

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<<The only thing that will help is to give money>>

No. Money is good but I have given also other ideas of solution.
It's not only hardware to buy .... but most important is software to develope, to have a system more "fault tolerant".

(removed for brevity)

So instead of "give us more money" I suggest the very old suggestion "keep it simple, stupid".

Bye,
Franz

I don't know if you've read some of the posts from folks at the project, but they are definitely critically short on staff.

Money in this context pays for people. More people means more eyeballs to look at what happens when a validation fails, and that means a better chance that the problem will be fixed.

Also, a reminder: the clock cycles we're donating are supposed to be a "waste product" -- there is nothing running here that wouldn't be powered on anyway. I don't get too upset if my "wasted cycles" are lost and my fastest cruncher rarely crunches more than 16 hours/day.

... and the system is fault tolerant. If validation fails, work is reassigned to others.

The only thing being "wasted" is an abundant, free resource.

I'm not arguing that there isn't a problem, or that the problem shouldn't be fixed but I am saying that it isn't the end of the universe.

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Franz

I like the last part Keep it Simple Stupid... or what is refered to as the KISS principle

At this point the hardware is again to say the least "ancient"... It is now at the point it requires daily "hands on" One of the things mentioned in the Operations side of the budget was a cost to upgrade to failure resistent... Currently we are working to just pay the daily bills...

So as we see complaints from users that have no idea what went wrong... We have users that might help with a small bit of a donation that could correct the problems. Getting them the information to allow them to help is Important!

So between my Office Computer Lab and my home computer lab, I have some machines that most would be ashamed to say that they own. Or they are typical of what people are currently running... At this point they have been used to insure that as Seti Enhanced was getting ready to move here it worked on older machines, so in that respect they still are useful. I do have to note that as Seti Beta is not ready they are turned off to preserve electicity...

So with the current issues with the servers... At least two new computers are needed. Those would replace kryten and klaatu (look at the Server Status page at the bottom for the descriptions)...

Pappa

Franz.

I think you may have interpreted my last post incorrectley. All I am trying to say is that, errors are going to happen, nothing is perfect. Granted I am sure all of us that are running S@H and all other project would like it to be error free.

But complaining about it will not achieve anything. The only thing that will help is to give money. I am not financialy able to do so at the minute. However if my situation changes I would make a donation to the cause.

May be my incorrect interpretation, may be not.
I'm a 50 years old man (with 30 years in IT) and I know what your are telling me.
But please, I have understood and I don't agree this:

<<The only thing that will help is to give money>>

No. Money is good but I have given also other ideas of solution.
It's not only hardware to buy .... but most important is software to develope, to have a system more "fault tolerant".

This is a cooperative process.
I do my best
a) optimizing computers and software
b) protecting it against any fault (UPS and so on).

Berkeley staff must do the best
a) studing a sistem able to get max result from millions of host
b) studing a system that do not waste any workunit.

Of course nothing is perfect and errors (as murpy's laws) are behind any corner but we have to fight against errors in any way. "give us mor money" is an answer but can't be the only one.

If the sistem is too much complex .... (too many components) errors will grows up, by example.

So instead of "give us more money" I suggest the very old suggestion "keep it simple, stupid".

Bye,
Franz

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

The only thing being "wasted" is an abundant, free resource.

Hello Ned

First, sorry for bad english.

I don't want to offend anybody, nor to launch another figth, but this sentence shocks me a little..

At home, I have seven computers crunching, 24/7, that caused a significant increase of my electricity bills, and required some installations due to thermal nuisances.

At work, Seti is running everywhere, but with our activity growing up, whe are experiencing random power outages, because whe reach the top of our allowed electric power consumption. The solution would be to jump to a more expensive power subscription.
Or to stop crunching, that would help a bit, like demonstrated in another thread with some comparative power consumption of various rigs, crunching or not.

Always more money is the big thing, but not only to pay more staff to the Seti team at Berkeley, or new servers or hardware.

Sorry but to my point of view, unused CPU cycles around the world that could be offered to Seti are definitively NOT free ressources. They allways cost something, to their supplier and to the environment.

Did anybody have estimated the actual and projected cost of Seti, for all the volunteer crunchers around, in terms of various bills and environmental impact ?
And what are the benefits, what are the results ?

I'm crunching since Aug 2003, I actually have 43 hosts crunching and ~ 3.3M cobblestones. Classified 3rd in France, and 133 in world charts, and what else ?
Did I've found some interesting signal ? What is my real contribution to the project ? With some spare time and goodwill, I could just estimate how much that cost me.

So, what are my motivations participating ?
Blind research to find ET, through a sign emitted how many human years ago ?
Which is their value, compared to all the mess about UFOs and EBE sightings all around the world since the 40's ?

I've not directly donated money to Seti project yet, and I think I will not. Simply because I'm about to lose my faith in this project.
All that remains me, mostly, is the "fun to compete", and interest in tweaking my rigs to made them faster.

But with time passing, I realize that 40+ rigs running at 100% load 24/7 for Seti are not using "free resources", and that the RAC charts thing can't be the only interest, and is not worth the shot.

"It's for science" what does it means ?
Who can, how many seti volunteer crunchers are able to explain the real benefits of Seti project for science, ie for a better global human condition in some way ? How many to estimate exactly the advantages and the disadvantages?

I don't have the answer myself, but I'm afraid of it.
I still hesitate to shutdown Seti, perhaps a matter of days.

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@Kna: If I understand your note correctly, then I've been arguing this point for a long time (years?). So have others.

To some, this project is a race for cobblestone points. I guess in a free society, we have to respect idiots, or to be kind, smart people playing games. But to me, this project should be an intellectual pursuit to answer a rather difficult question: is there ET life? To that end, our little Seti club should be able to ask and get answered: how are we doing? But there is no response on that topic from the command room. Perhaps this will happen in 2007 or 2008. I, for one, do not trust that an increasing cobblestone score alone is a good indicator for project success.

Unfortunately, getting good feedback seems completely out of our control, short of moving our "abundant, free resource" to find gravitational waves at Einstein, or some other difficult project, who do seem to be willing to provide concrete feedback. I don't advocate some sort of Seti boycott, but I think we each should provide CommandCentral a gentle nudge periodically until we see (our) results.

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May this Farce be with You

kna

Over here, we would say that you have the delima fully by the horns. You are at the point you can, let go and get away without being hurt or hang on hope for the best.

Congrats on 133 in the World, that is a significant milestone! It shows a lot of patience and dedication.

At this point Seti is about as low as it can get, so with the help of the users it can improve and get better. 2006 saw a few improvements, but they still have a ways to go to reach their goals.
I have had conversation with Eric, I personally believe that their goals can be accomplished. It will take time and patience on many people parts.

So as "We all" have the "same bull" by the horns and may have to choose, I choose to hold onto the bull until the end. With enough hands "we" can tame the bull.

Best wishes as you decide

Pappa

The only thing being "wasted" is an abundant, free resource.

Hello Ned

First, sorry for bad english.

I don't want to offend anybody, nor to launch another figth, but this sentence shocks me a little..

At home, I have seven computers crunching, 24/7, that caused a significant increase of my electricity bills, and required some installations due to thermal nuisances.

At work, Seti is running everywhere, but with our activity growing up, whe are experiencing random power outages, because whe reach the top of our allowed electric power consumption. The solution would be to jump to a more expensive power subscription.
Or to stop crunching, that would help a bit, like demonstrated in another thread with some comparative power consumption of various rigs, crunching or not.

Always more money is the big thing, but not only to pay more staff to the Seti team at Berkeley, or new servers or hardware.

Sorry but to my point of view, unused CPU cycles around the world that could be offered to Seti are definitively NOT free ressources. They allways cost something, to their supplier and to the environment.

Did anybody have estimated the actual and projected cost of Seti, for all the volunteer crunchers around, in terms of various bills and environmental impact ?
And what are the benefits, what are the results ?

I'm crunching since Aug 2003, I actually have 43 hosts crunching and ~ 3.3M cobblestones. Classified 3rd in France, and 133 in world charts, and what else ?
Did I've found some interesting signal ? What is my real contribution to the project ? With some spare time and goodwill, I could just estimate how much that cost me.

So, what are my motivations participating ?
Blind research to find ET, through a sign emitted how many human years ago ?
Which is their value, compared to all the mess about UFOs and EBE sightings all around the world since the 40's ?

I've not directly donated money to Seti project yet, and I think I will not. Simply because I'm about to lose my faith in this project.
All that remains me, mostly, is the "fun to compete", and interest in tweaking my rigs to made them faster.

But with time passing, I realize that 40+ rigs running at 100% load 24/7 for Seti are not using "free resources", and that the RAC charts thing can't be the only interest, and is not worth the shot.

"It's for science" what does it means ?
Who can, how many seti volunteer crunchers are able to explain the real benefits of Seti project for science, ie for a better global human condition in some way ? How many to estimate exactly the advantages and the disadvantages?

I don't have the answer myself, but I'm afraid of it.
I still hesitate to shutdown Seti, perhaps a matter of days.

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

Sorry but to my point of view, unused CPU cycles around the world that could be offered to Seti are definitively NOT free ressources. They allways cost something, to their supplier and to the environment.

[snip]

But with time passing, I realize that 40+ rigs running at 100% load 24/7 for Seti are not using "free resources", and that the RAC charts thing can't be the only interest, and is not worth the shot.

You do have a valid point. As with everything in this world, everything has a cost somewhere, somehow. However, I believe you've misunderstood the point being made.

Yes, it costs more to run your systems at full speed. Yes, you simply could stop crunching and save the money. Then you'd have all that spare processing power doing nothing. That's why it's a volunteer project (as all BOINC projects are). It's up to you to donate your spare cycles. It's the 'choice' part that makes it a 'free resource' - not the fact that your system consumes energy.

No one wants to see anyone leave the project, but it's ultimately up to each individual to justify. If you can no longer justify, then you have to re-examine your position and opinions.

Fact is, no matter how advanced of a civilization we are or become, mistakes will always be a factor (as well as money shortages). When people become intolerant of human mistakes and start making demands when they know nothing about the situation, that's when problems arise.

If you choose to decide to crunch for a project and a mistake happens, getting pissed because you lost a few spare cycles (that would have went unused if you weren't crunching anyway [granted at less power costs to you, but it was your decision]) is just useless anger leading to frustration which no one needs.

Do you get mad because you bought an album on 8 track, then later the cassette tape? Then later the CD? Then the MP3? What about that Beta video? Then the VHS? Then the DVD? Now the Blue ray or HD-DVD. Next, monthly subscriptions on a per-view basis. What a waste of money, right? Fact is, humans waste money and resources all the time. Most of it we rationalize. But no one can foresee the future and avoid all unnecessary costs in the present. It's an exercise in futility. Mostly because humans are more worried about things that probably won't happen vs. things that could probably happen. We are always looking in the wrong direction.

Complaining about it doesn't help at all.

"It's for science" what does it means ?
Who can, how many seti volunteer crunchers are able to explain the real benefits of Seti project for science, ie for a better global human condition in some way ? How many to estimate exactly the advantages and the disadvantages?

I don't have the answer myself, but I'm afraid of it.
I still hesitate to shutdown Seti, perhaps a matter of days.

This is mostly a philosophical question with only theoretical answers. Many argue this exact problem, and the answer for each depends on their views.

Fact is, as long as nothing is found, it will be considered a waste of time and resources. What would they be saying if something is found...

You can debate the probabilities of something being found through this project all you want. That's each individuals right to do so. But if you find no reason to continue, then there's nothing anyone can do for you (even if they had perfect servers that never went down).

The choice is all yours. I can only hope that you stay and shrug off the bad and stick for the good.

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@Kna

There are a couple of nice posts before mine. I just felt complied to add what I feel about the project, etc.

First off, yes my electric bill is higher than if I were not helping projects. There is no argument there. The issue is people have higher electric bills, but none of that "money" is going to the project. So the project gets shorted because people say "I'm already donating", when they only are volunteering their time and money, not donating. There is a difference.

As for what the project brings, that is why we are here, I guess. Our belief of a different life, travel across universes, maybe learning new ways to fix diseases, etc. If we prove a signal, can finally communicate with the signal, and make new friends who have knowledge beyond ours would be the pinnacle of what we are doing. There are several sides to that die, though. It could go horribly wrong. We may never find something. A mix of any of the above, etc.

So each person has their own reason to be here, some just for the credit and nothing more, so do have deeper feeling for the project, as I. Maybe I live with a wild and crazy dream, but if we do not dream a little, we'd go insane.

I am proud to continue working for the project, donating to the project, etc. The credit race is a little fun, as I like seeing myself hit certain peaks, but it's not as necessary to me as my doing good searching.

Some people must go, and that's going to happen. New people will come to take their place. Over 5 million accounts were made in Classic, over 75% of them never returned a unit. Choices, we all make them daily.

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My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242

As a relatively new Seti@home participant, I feel I should say a couple of things that i haven't seen mentioned yet in these forums. Throughout history, scientific exploration has led to all kinds of unexpected places, I mean for example Christopher Columbus looking for a western route to China only to discover america instead, or for that matter, sailors collecting hundreds of years worth of climate data ( intended for navigation ) that forms much of the backbone of global warming models and weather prediction ( not its intended purpose, they wouldn't have known I think ... ).

My point really is that I believe seti@home, whether we find ET tomorrow, in twenty years, or never ... has already provided an incredible contrbution to the development of large scale distributed projects in general, the archives of raw and processed data for future analysis possibly hold more secrets. Those are things we have and can continue to build on and might influence our future in more ways than we understand at the moment.

Regards, Jason

The only thing being "wasted" is an abundant, free resource.

Hello Ned

First, sorry for bad english.

I don't want to offend anybody, nor to launch another figth, but this sentence shocks me a little..

At home, I have seven computers crunching, 24/7, that caused a significant increase of my electricity bills, and required some installations due to thermal nuisances.

At work, Seti is running everywhere, but with our activity growing up, whe are experiencing random power outages, because whe reach the top of our allowed electric power consumption. The solution would be to jump to a more expensive power subscription.
Or to stop crunching, that would help a bit, like demonstrated in another thread with some comparative power consumption of various rigs, crunching or not.

Always more money is the big thing, but not only to pay more staff to the Seti team at Berkeley, or new servers or hardware.

Sorry but to my point of view, unused CPU cycles around the world that could be offered to Seti are definitively NOT free ressources. They allways cost something, to their supplier and to the environment.

Did anybody have estimated the actual and projected cost of Seti, for all the volunteer crunchers around, in terms of various bills and environmental impact ?
And what are the benefits, what are the results ?

I'm crunching since Aug 2003, I actually have 43 hosts crunching and ~ 3.3M cobblestones. Classified 3rd in France, and 133 in world charts, and what else ?
Did I've found some interesting signal ? What is my real contribution to the project ? With some spare time and goodwill, I could just estimate how much that cost me.

So, what are my motivations participating ?
Blind research to find ET, through a sign emitted how many human years ago ?
Which is their value, compared to all the mess about UFOs and EBE sightings all around the world since the 40's ?

I've not directly donated money to Seti project yet, and I think I will not. Simply because I'm about to lose my faith in this project.
All that remains me, mostly, is the "fun to compete", and interest in tweaking my rigs to made them faster.

But with time passing, I realize that 40+ rigs running at 100% load 24/7 for Seti are not using "free resources", and that the RAC charts thing can't be the only interest, and is not worth the shot.

"It's for science" what does it means ?
Who can, how many seti volunteer crunchers are able to explain the real benefits of Seti project for science, ie for a better global human condition in some way ? How many to estimate exactly the advantages and the disadvantages?

I don't have the answer myself, but I'm afraid of it.
I still hesitate to shutdown Seti, perhaps a matter of days.

There is a post on mersenneforum.org about comparison of power consumption when idle to running Prime95 i.e. cpu @100%. The link is POWER CONSUMPTION idle versus Prime95 by Peter Nelson. That maybe a guide to show how much extra power is being used to crunch for BOINC compared to idle, if the computers are normally on.

Andy

The only thing being "wasted" is an abundant, free resource.

Hello Ned

First, sorry for bad english.

I don't want to offend anybody, nor to launch another figth, but this sentence shocks me a little..

At home, I have seven computers crunching, 24/7, that caused a significant increase of my electricity bills, and required some installations due to thermal nuisances.

I'm sure this will be shocking for some.

Going back to the beginning of Classic, SETI has always been asking for unused clock cycles -- from machines sitting on an office worker's desk, or your machine at home when it's running, but not being used.

From machines that are crunching only when they'd be running anyway.

During the power crisis a few years back in California, SETI specifically asked that we turn off computers unless they were on otherwise.

If you choose to build more computers and run them just for SETI, that's wonderful, but you are definitely going beyond what is expected.

Besides, I think it's safe to say that everyone here is fairly exceptional, and the vast majority of the 1.2 million computers out there crunch part time, and were not built just to process SETI.

Nothing runs here unless it'd be on anyway.

As to "donating power" I'd submit that at the moment SETI needs money more than clock cycles. If you turn off the computers for a week and donate the cash, that might be a better use of the resource.

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Sorry but to my point of view, unused CPU cycles around the world that could be offered to Seti are definitively NOT free ressources. They allways cost something, to their supplier and to the environment.

[snip]

But with time passing, I realize that 40+ rigs running at 100% load 24/7 for Seti are not using "free resources", and that the RAC charts thing can't be the only interest, and is not worth the shot.

You do have a valid point. As with everything in this world, everything has a cost somewhere, somehow. However, I believe you've misunderstood the point being made.

Yes, it costs more to run your systems at full speed. Yes, you simply could stop crunching and save the money. Then you'd have all that spare processing power doing nothing. That's why it's a volunteer project (as all BOINC projects are). It's up to you to donate your spare cycles. It's the 'choice' part that makes it a 'free resource' - not the fact that your system consumes energy.

One of the points I was trying to make is the difference between "donating unused clock cycles" and "making new clock cycles just for SETI."

When you load BOINC on a computer that you already have, and run it the same number of hours you normally do, then all BOINC and SETI are doing is recovering a waste product (idle clocks).

When you go out and buy hardware, build a new computer, put it in the corner and turn it on, then you are making new clock cycles just for SETI.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, or that the project isn't happy to get more clocks. It's admirable.

... but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that SETI didn't ask us to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on computers just to crunch work units.

If you happen to be one of those people who invested hundreds or thousands in new crunchers, you might want to send a few bucks to the project so they can afford to track down bugs that crash the science app. and you might want to send a few bucks so that SETI can keep the servers running and keep sending work.

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Please excuse me but this may not be the place to poise this question. Just why am I getting about 10 percent computer error after 20000 seconds of cpu time? I get no credit for this and it happens all the time. I am curios because it makes no sense to me? I care not about credit but I do care about wasted energy? Does anyone have any idea why this occurs so often?

Please excuse me but this may not be the place to poise this question. Just why am I getting about 10 percent computer error after 20000 seconds of cpu time? I get no credit for this and it happens all the time. I am curios because it makes no sense to me? I care not about credit but I do care about wasted energy? Does anyone have any idea why this occurs so often?

This problem caused by problems on the server side. Sometimes uploads did not going throuhgt.
Please look at this thread : http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=37154 and at the technical news : http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/tech_news.php

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Please excuse me but this may not be the place to poise this question. Just why am I getting about 10 percent computer error after 20000 seconds of cpu time? I get no credit for this and it happens all the time. I am curios because it makes no sense to me? I care not about credit but I do care about wasted energy? Does anyone have any idea why this occurs so often?

I just looked at about 50 of your results.
I saw 1 Error - and other Users reported Error on same WorkUnit.

What am I missing? 10% Error on a properly running machine would be very high error rate......

If you happen to be one of those people who invested hundreds or thousands in new crunchers, you might want to send a few bucks to the project so they can afford to track down bugs that crash the science app. and you might want to send a few bucks so that SETI can keep the servers running and keep sending work.

I would hazard a guess and say that most of us 'ranchers' already have green stars. Meaning we do both, crunch and give cash. A 'rancher' is defined as someone having 15 or more computers crunching for Seti. Me...I have done both, I buy new computers parts all the time and make Seti crunchers. Although I am near my max now. I have 23 just Seti crunchers. All have been some sort of purchased, given, made, something. I do computer repairs for friends. Some pay me cash which means new crunchers, some give me their old parts, which also means new crunchers. I am trying however to slowly get rid of everything less than 2 gig in cpu power. It will take a while, I still have a few Celerons that need to go. I crunch 24/7/365, I live on the East Coast of the US and we do not have 'brown outs' here, knocking on wood. I just bought parts for a new cruncher, I got an Asus P5WD2 mb, Intel P4 D805 2.66ghz cpu and a fan and a free, after rebate, case. I already have the hardrive, cd drive and the memory. It cost $250.00 for the parts.
Donations in cash to the project are made at least yearly.

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