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Why I can not donate
Sounds Simple, but there are reasons. I would Love that you explain reasons why it is too tough to Donate! Those are Issues that need to be resolved.
I Know that Family Comes First! Defining techincial issues that prevented you from making a donation is Important! Please take a moment to tell what you saw and why it stopped You. Then something might be done to help overcome those issues!
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Why I can not donate
Sounds Simple, but there are reasons. I would Love that you explain reasons why it is too tough to Donate! Those are Issues that need to be resolved.
I Know that Family Comes First! Defining techincial issues that prevented you from making a donation is Important! Please take a moment to tell what you saw and why it stopped You. Then something might be done to help overcome those issues!
Regards
Pappa
I'm saving up for a new digital camera. Even though I already have a perfectly good one. And even though I already have a fairly new 2 mega pixel phone camera.
and a second mobile phone, which I replaced simply because I wanted one with a camera that I didn't need.
but then I already donated recently. And I crunch loads of WUs
and I'm technical 'cause I work in IT
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I don't have a credit card and my printer won't work. I can't print out the form for sending in a money order at the moment. Looks like I need to go to the library and borrow one of their computers....
I don't have a credit card either. They're dangerous. I once managed to buy a whole car with just two of them. And then wished I'd got it in a different color. Technically doubley dangerous in twos.
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I don't have a credit card and my printer won't work. I can't print out the form for sending in a money order at the moment. Looks like I need to go to the library and borrow one of their computers....
I don't have a credit card either. They're dangerous. I once managed to buy a whole car with just two of them. And then wished I'd got it in a different color. Technically doubley dangerous in twos.
I've just never bothered to get one....lol
I suppose I probably should....but I don't need the extra headaches of one more bill to deal with every month....
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I don't have any money...and they took all my credit cards off me :-(
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To just Donate is Not the reason to get one, I posted in the Donations Thread that you can obtain a Visa Gift Card that will work any where Visa is accepted. So that might be a better option. IF you are looking for a last minute gift for the holidays it could be more useful than a gift card from the rinky dink store down the road which never has what you want anyways.
There also a European Version that is available.
I will try to make sure that any information that I receive that is sharable will be posted there...
I don't have a credit card and my printer won't work. I can't print out the form for sending in a money order at the moment. Looks like I need to go to the library and borrow one of their computers....
I don't have a credit card either. They're dangerous. I once managed to buy a whole car with just two of them. And then wished I'd got it in a different color. Technically doubley dangerous in twos.
I've just never bothered to get one....lol
I suppose I probably should....but I don't need the extra headaches of one more bill to deal with every month....
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Mail recieved,sir. Thank you very much. :-)
Best Wishes for the Holiday Season
Pappa
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To just Donate is Not the reason to get one, I posted in the Donations Thread that you can obtain a Visa Gift Card that will work any where Visa is accepted. So that might be a better option. IF you are looking for a last minute gift for the holidays it could be more useful than a gift card from the rinky dink store down the road which never has what you want anyways.
There also a European Version that is available.
I will try to make sure that any information that I receive that is sharable will be posted there...
I don't have a credit card and my printer won't work. I can't print out the form for sending in a money order at the moment. Looks like I need to go to the library and borrow one of their computers....
I don't have a credit card either. They're dangerous. I once managed to buy a whole car with just two of them. And then wished I'd got it in a different color. Technically doubley dangerous in twos.
I've just never bothered to get one....lol
I suppose I probably should....but I don't need the extra headaches of one more bill to deal with every month....
@ Nobody
Mail recieved,sir. Thank you very much. :-)
Best Wishes for the Holiday Season
Pappa
LOL. No Pappa. I wouldn't get one just so I can donate. It would be A reason, but not THE reason...
There are some other things that I could use one for. :-)
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The day SETI@HOME starts providing regular updates on the analysis of candidate signals (every 6 months or annually perhaps)and potential WOW's etc etc is the day i will start donating some hard earned cash.
Why donate when there is absolutely no progress indicated except 'crunching credits' (Which are superfluous without a framework for measuring progress).
I was going to donate until i started to clearly understand the lack of analysis.
Please convince me otherwise.....
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The day SETI@HOME starts providing regular updates on the analysis of candidate signals (every 6 months or annually perhaps)and potential WOW's etc etc is the day i will start donating some hard earned cash.
To some extent, it's a classic catch-22. Progress on candidate analysis has been slow because Jeff (the person writing the candidate analysis software) has been spending much of the last year trying to get us a new ISP (which would save us several kilobucks a month). But that required that we get a router at the PAIX (Palo Alto Internet eXchange), one on campus, one here, an upgrade of the campus-SSL link to dual gigabit fibers, an IP address block from ARIN, various memoranda of understanding between us and campus, contracts with the ISP with modifications from campus, etc. It's taken 14 months and we're not hooked up to the new ISP yet. It would have been nice to hire someone to do this, so Jeff could work on science, but how could we afford to do that?
I can't work on science on the website because I'm trying to get the multibeam effort up and running and trying to get astropulse back on track. Matt's working full time keeping us up and running. Dan is busy on hardware efforts and wouldn't know how to edit a web site anyway.
I'd like to promise that donating would allow us to hire someone to do enough of the rest of this stuff. But chances are we won't take in enough to do so. But not taking in enough money means we all go down to part time work which means even more delays.
In other words, if we had enough money to hire enough people to do everything we want to do and everything everyone wants us to do, we wouldn't need to ask for donations.
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The day SETI@HOME starts providing regular updates on the analysis of candidate signals (every 6 months or annually perhaps)and potential WOW's etc etc is the day i will start donating some hard earned cash.
To some extent, it's a classic catch-22. Progress on candidate analysis has been slow because Jeff (the person writing the candidate analysis software) has been spending much of the last year trying to get us a new ISP (which would save us several kilobucks a month). But that required that we get a router at the PAIX (Palo Alto Internet eXchange), one on campus, one here, an upgrade of the campus-SSL link to dual gigabit fibers, an IP address block from ARIN, various memoranda of understanding between us and campus, contracts with the ISP with modifications from campus, etc. It's taken 14 months and we're not hooked up to the new ISP yet. It would have been nice to hire someone to do this, so Jeff could work on science, but how could we afford to do that?
I can't work on science on the website because I'm trying to get the multibeam effort up and running and trying to get astropulse back on track. Matt's working full time keeping us up and running. Dan is busy on hardware efforts and wouldn't know how to edit a web site anyway.
I'd like to promise that donating would allow us to hire someone to do enough of the rest of this stuff. But chances are we won't take in enough to do so. But not taking in enough money means we all go down to part time work which means even more delays.
In other words, if we had enough money to hire enough people to do everything we want to do and everything everyone wants us to do, we wouldn't need to ask for donations.
Eric
Thank you Eric for taking your time to come here and explain the situation, or at least a bit of it here. It's much appreciated.
I think, if this is not gonna make people donate, I don't know what will. Knowing how the situation you are dealing with, all you people in the staff, I really hope people will realize the seriousness of it and then donate.
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The day SETI@HOME starts providing regular updates on the analysis of candidate signals (every 6 months or annually perhaps)and potential WOW's etc etc is the day i will start donating some hard earned cash.
To some extent, it's a classic catch-22. Progress on candidate analysis has been slow because Jeff (the person writing the candidate analysis software) has been spending much of the last year trying to get us a new ISP (which would save us several kilobucks a month). But that required that we get a router at the PAIX (Palo Alto Internet eXchange), one on campus, one here, an upgrade of the campus-SSL link to dual gigabit fibers, an IP address block from ARIN, various memoranda of understanding between us and campus, contracts with the ISP with modifications from campus, etc. It's taken 14 months and we're not hooked up to the new ISP yet. It would have been nice to hire someone to do this, so Jeff could work on science, but how could we afford to do that?
I can't work on science on the website because I'm trying to get the multibeam effort up and running and trying to get astropulse back on track. Matt's working full time keeping us up and running. Dan is busy on hardware efforts and wouldn't know how to edit a web site anyway.
I'd like to promise that donating would allow us to hire someone to do enough of the rest of this stuff. But chances are we won't take in enough to do so. But not taking in enough money means we all go down to part time work which means even more delays.
In other words, if we had enough money to hire enough people to do everything we want to do and everything everyone wants us to do, we wouldn't need to ask for donations.
Eric
Thanks for the explanation Eric, this is the first time someone who knows what's going on has responded with a reasonable answer on the state of affairs of seti@home. I appreciate your frankness.
However (but?) I cannot understand how candidate analysis would not be given 'top' priority as without this in place 'all the crunching in the world' is virtually worthless.
More and more people are starting to ask questions about 'progress'. The response is usually silence or 'oh it will take a long time to find a WOW signal' and when anyone delves a little deeper they realise that there in actual fact isn't any analysis and correlation being done!!
How can you get serious about sponsorship if the science is not being conducted in a manner which could yield results? Perhaps as you say it’s a question of priorities. Every project has priority conflicts, however if those on the ‘critical path’ are not identified surely the endeavour will fail. Even if a rough schedule to have analysis in place was publicised it would attract more sponsorship! When I was reading about the 'real-time analysis' I got really excited.... but then nothing. Missing targets is better than having no target at all.
IMO the long term objectives of the project and potential failure are imminent if candidate analysis is not in place. People will come and go (likely never to return), and the growth that has been observed in the last 12 months will not continue for ever..... Getting people back is hard than keeping them.
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When I get my bennies I'll send a small chunk. Till then we have trouble even affording gas and meds. Sorry for now.
And yes y'all do one heck of a job with the funds you get.
You'll get no complaint from me!
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The day SETI@HOME starts providing regular updates on the analysis of candidate signals (every 6 months or annually perhaps)and potential WOW's etc etc is the day i will start donating some hard earned cash.
To some extent, it's a classic catch-22. Progress on candidate analysis has been slow because Jeff (the person writing the candidate analysis software) has been spending much of the last year trying to get us a new ISP (which would save us several kilobucks a month). But that required that we get a router at the PAIX (Palo Alto Internet eXchange), one on campus, one here, an upgrade of the campus-SSL link to dual gigabit fibers, an IP address block from ARIN, various memoranda of understanding between us and campus, contracts with the ISP with modifications from campus, etc. It's taken 14 months and we're not hooked up to the new ISP yet. It would have been nice to hire someone to do this, so Jeff could work on science, but how could we afford to do that?
I can't work on science on the website because I'm trying to get the multibeam effort up and running and trying to get astropulse back on track. Matt's working full time keeping us up and running. Dan is busy on hardware efforts and wouldn't know how to edit a web site anyway.
I'd like to promise that donating would allow us to hire someone to do enough of the rest of this stuff. But chances are we won't take in enough to do so. But not taking in enough money means we all go down to part time work which means even more delays.
In other words, if we had enough money to hire enough people to do everything we want to do and everything everyone wants us to do, we wouldn't need to ask for donations.
Eric
Thanks for the post Eric.
Am I correct in assuming that (from this page: SETI@home Plans) SETI@home Enhanced work is completed, and that Multi-Beam Data Recorder and Astropulse work is almost ready?
Before going on to finish off the Near Time Persistency Checker work, would it be possible delay this work a bit more and have some work written up on the site about the progress of the SETI science? I am sure that the benefits of this would greatly outweigh the costs in the medium and long term.
I would imagine that most people running Seti@Home are, to one degree or another, interested in what the scientists are actually doing (or hope to be doing) with the results that we are returning. I appreciate that we may not neccesarily have any WOW signals, but we must have a few candidates by now, is there a list of the workunits, locations in the sky, users who crunched these particular units? If not, please set up a page with this info, it will be well worth it I'm sure!
Lack of information is very demoralising.
Well anyway, keep up the good work that I know the staff are doing.
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Hi Kinhull,
Being one of the many Beta testers, we are currently crunching data that has come from the Multi Beam data recorder. Couple of my work units when I left work started as 06nov06. I know that they want to make sure they get as many of the errors out of the program as they can before they release a new application here. Hopefully Eric can chime in and say how long out that will be.
Hope that helps a little bit.
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Thanks for the explanation Eric, this is the first time someone who knows what's going on has responded with a reasonable answer on the state of affairs of seti@home. I appreciate your frankness.
However (but?) I cannot understand how candidate analysis would not be given 'top' priority as without this in place 'all the crunching in the world' is virtually worthless.
More and more people are starting to ask questions about 'progress'. The response is usually silence or 'oh it will take a long time to find a WOW signal' and when anyone delves a little deeper they realise that there in actual fact isn't any analysis and correlation being done!!
How can you get serious about sponsorship if the science is not being conducted in a manner which could yield results? Perhaps as you say it’s a question of priorities. Every project has priority conflicts, however if those on the ‘critical path’ are not identified surely the endeavour will fail. Even if a rough schedule to have analysis in place was publicised it would attract more sponsorship! When I was reading about the 'real-time analysis' I got really excited.... but then nothing. Missing targets is better than having no target at all.
IMO the long term objectives of the project and potential failure are imminent if candidate analysis is not in place. People will come and go (likely never to return), and the growth that has been observed in the last 12 months will not continue for ever..... Getting people back is hard than keeping them.
Jeebus, that's bitter. Nothing you have said here could be any more apparent to Eric, et al.
Shut it down if you aren't happy. The global warming types would be proud of you.
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Jeebus, that's bitter. Nothing you have said here could be any more apparent to Eric, et al.
Shut it down if you aren't happy. The global warming types would be proud of you.
There is nothing bitter about it,if you choose to read this into my post then so be it. All i have stated are some simple facts about the reality of this endeavour which although may not 'be nice to face' are in fact the truth of the matter at hand. Take it or leave it.
Yes i understand that these guys are working flat out on getting other modules built etc, but if there was a project timeline for 'candidate analysis' i cannot see any harm and only benefits for marketing and fund raising for the projects future.
Today i saw another new thread posted in the Science forum asking for progress of candidates!? Go figure.... and yes, most of my crunching is on other projects and has been for some time for the reasons stated.
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If you can not pay for gas how can you drive your car? If you can not pay for bread how can you feed your family? It goes on...
What I get is Seti is down to the major players and other that used to take of some of these problems got PINK Slips... So unless it is MAJOR it goes to when we have funding... If You provide information that it a Serious Flaw then it will be looked at... Otherwise "noted and unresponded."
What is everyone missing? It came very close to Turn Out the Lights the Party is Over! They are still not to a point where they can get more people back. The Users that have Donated have Purchased Weeks of Life...
So with the Wife facing major surgery on the 29th and having lost 5 machines to power outages in the Pacific Northwest not to mention me spending time here trying to let people know that Seti is at Risk... You have an issue, about "You" and think No One cares...
I Care and do the Best that I can many Volunteers do Everything THEY Can... The Seti Staff, Volunteers and myself are only Human... I know that people are doing everything that they can and more... Donations can help...
Best Wishes for the Holidays
Pappa
Jeebus, that's bitter. Nothing you have said here could be any more apparent to Eric, et al.
Shut it down if you aren't happy. The global warming types would be proud of you.
There is nothing bitter about it,if you choose to read this into my post then so be it. All i have stated are some simple facts about the reality of this endeavour which although may not 'be nice to face' are in fact the truth of the matter at hand. Take it or leave it.
Yes i understand that these guys are working flat out on getting other modules built etc, but if there was a project timeline for 'candidate analysis' i cannot see any harm and only benefits for marketing and fund raising for the projects future.
Today i saw another new thread posted in the Science forum asking for progress of candidates!? Go figure.... and yes, most of my crunching is on other projects and has been for some time for the reasons stated.
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I´ve done the first donation for members without credit card.
But i had some trouble with firefox.
IE 7 worked just fine.
But the admins could have a look at it sometime.
Its very hard for no native english speakers, had to try ten times.
The part wich we have to fill out the CAL thing is really confusing.
I wrote some mails last night but no one could help me.
So i think its causing troubles not only for me.
ES didnt get you my mail.
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I´ve done the first donation for members without credit card.
But i had some trouble with firefox.
IE 7 worked just fine.
But the admins could have a look at it sometime.
Its very hard for no native english speakers, had to try ten times.
The part wich we have to fill out the CAL thing is really confusing.
I wrote some mails last night but no one could help me.
So i think its causing troubles not only for me.
ES didnt get you my mail.
regards Mike
Thank you Mike.
I have the same experience that some things don't work in FF but works fine in IE, e.g. I've just been in my e-box with my digital signature, and that doesn't work in FF, only in IE. This is not something the admins at Berkeley can do much about.
The problems with the form is looked at, and hopefully we can come up with a proper solution to this.
In general, we are gathering all the things, people state they have problems with, and we will try to come up with a solution for them, making it easier for people to donate.
And thank you for your donation. :-)
EDIT: About filling out the form Eric answered another user here about that. And we are talking about creating something more simple for people who don't have anything to do with Berkeley, except for Seti@Home, like us foreigners, to fill out, something where you just can write your usernumber or email address or something, so people can get their stars.
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