Downloading Problems

Author	Message
Hole-yMan Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 15 Credit: 556,963 RAC: 0	Message 457505 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 8:50:27 UTC - in response to Message 457494. If there are dozens of people complaining on this forum there are millions affected. Most users don't change their cache. I've been running seti long enough to know that, when there are outages, the queues get so large it causes overload problems for many hours/days until everyone catches up. Based on your join date, you should know that too. I have not written, that you sould set your work cache to 10 days. Also the catch up problems are still not so heavy like in the past... Btw, boincstats say 191,945 active users and 338,113 acitve hosts. Wow, that few now? Back in the classic days there were so many more. I guess many people got fed up and either quit or moved to other projects. Clearly, millions is an overstatement then (and I stand corrected) but nearly 200k is still a large number and most people don't change their cache sizes, some of the forum users don't even know how. :( ID: 457505 ·

Hole-yMan Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 15 Credit: 556,963 RAC: 0	Message 457512 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 9:05:24 UTC - in response to Message 457502. Last modified: 14 Nov 2006, 9:05:52 UTC As I said, there is only seti, I won't crunch other projects just because seti won't fix their mess. Sorry, but if you would set your work cache higher, you would not run into this problems. Patience is, indeed, a virture (and a girl's name) but, imo, it's still insulting to keep millions waiting for no good reason. I believe the saying goes: "It's like a dollar waiting on a dime." Only, in this case, it's like millions of dollars...waiting on a penny. No it is not as urgent as you think, a lot of peoples have work cache set higher, so there clients did not harm such a outage. Also, as I have written, a backup project could also be a solution, to keep the clients crunching, till one project is down. Mine is set to 7 days but I had just rebuilt a box and I have another box that refuses to cache the 7 days worth even though that's what my prefs are set to. If there are dozens of people complaining on this forum there are millions affected. Most users don't change their cache. I've been running seti long enough to know that, when there are outages, the queues get so large it causes overload problems for many hours/days until everyone catches up. Based on your join date, you should know that too. Your new box will not load the full cache until your Duration Correction Factor (DCF) has stabalised, at least crunched 20 validated units, and second, with the short units only having a four day deadline and you having a cache of 7 days, you will frequently go into Earliest Deadline First (EDF) mode which stops you downloading more work until the EDF is over. The short units are not as common as the most common AR=0.42nnnn but common enough that you could be in EDF most of the time. And you have probably not been taking too much notice but since enhanced came along and the new server the recovery time after an outage has only been a few hours recently. I wondered how that worked. My new box wont get anything until they fix the problem, not even the seti client. The other box that wont cache according to the settings has over 118 WU's done and, of course, more than 20 of those are validated. I do hit EDF issues on my SMP boxes and the dual core CPU's but I never thought of that as a problem. I suppose there's nothing that can be done about EDF either? ID: 457512 ·

John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0	Message 457517 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 9:15:36 UTC Last modified: 14 Nov 2006, 9:16:26 UTC I presume this will all be sorted out about 5.00 pm UTC, today, when the servers come down for the weekly planned DB maintenance? That will not be too long to wait! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues ID: 457517 ·

Hole-yMan Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 15 Credit: 556,963 RAC: 0	Message 457519 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 9:19:08 UTC - in response to Message 457517. I presume this will all be sorted out about 5.00 pm UTC, today, when the servers come down for the weekly planned DB maintenance? That will not be too long to wait! If they had fixed it 9 hours ago, we wouldn't have had to wait at all. That's my point. Instead, since they don't care, it'll be 16+ hours down and then whatever the recovery time is. ID: 457519 ·

Diego -=Mav3rik=- Send message Joined: 1 Jun 99 Posts: 333 Credit: 3,587,148 RAC: 0	Message 457525 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 9:34:57 UTC - in response to Message 457519. I presume this will all be sorted out about 5.00 pm UTC, today, when the servers come down for the weekly planned DB maintenance? That will not be too long to wait! If they had fixed it 9 hours ago, we wouldn't have had to wait at all. That's my point. Instead, since they don't care, it'll be 16+ hours down and then whatever the recovery time is. So? /Mav We have lingered long enough on the shores of the cosmic ocean. We are ready at last to set sail for the stars. (Carl Sagan) ID: 457525 ·

Hole-yMan Send message Joined: 19 May 99 Posts: 15 Credit: 556,963 RAC: 0	Message 457530 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 9:38:28 UTC - in response to Message 457525. I presume this will all be sorted out about 5.00 pm UTC, today, when the servers come down for the weekly planned DB maintenance? That will not be too long to wait! If they had fixed it 9 hours ago, we wouldn't have had to wait at all. That's my point. Instead, since they don't care, it'll be 16+ hours down and then whatever the recovery time is. So? So, I find it rather insulting that they care so little about those of US that do the actual crunching FOR them. ID: 457530 ·

Francesco Forti Send message Joined: 24 May 00 Posts: 334 Credit: 204,421,005 RAC: 15	Message 457532 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 9:41:09 UTC - in response to Message 457207. Has anybody seen this one before. I just installed some new Ram that is highly overclocked and was wondering if that may be causing it. This machine has been MemTested and Primed, and has reported 2 WU's without error. I've highlighted the message that I don't understand Thanks. It' a general problem. Look at http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-668%2Fgigabitethernet0_0;ranges=d%3Aw%3Am%3Ay;view=Octets Bye, Franz ID: 457532 ·

John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0	Message 457555 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 10:23:02 UTC - in response to Message 457530. Last modified: 14 Nov 2006, 10:24:38 UTC I presume this will all be sorted out about 5.00 pm UTC, today, when the servers come down for the weekly planned DB maintenance? That will not be too long to wait! If they had fixed it 9 hours ago, we wouldn't have had to wait at all. That's my point. Instead, since they don't care, it'll be 16+ hours down and then whatever the recovery time is. So? So, I find it rather insulting that they care so little about those of US that do the actual crunching FOR them. So!! Nothing to do with not caring, something to do with a life outside the SSL at Berkeley! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues ID: 457555 ·

The MariahNet Network Send message Joined: 14 Jul 99 Posts: 173 Credit: 2,469,357 RAC: 0	Message 457558 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 10:31:21 UTC My computers cannot download work also!!! (just another statistical sample, here, of a potential problem...) Bah! I'm turning off my computers... ID: 457558 ·

Calculator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Sep 06 Posts: 62 Credit: 69,529 RAC: 0	Message 457559 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 10:40:32 UTC Is there any official statement yet? ID: 457559 ·

John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0	Message 457561 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 10:42:45 UTC - in response to Message 457559. Is there any official statement yet? I would'nt have expected one yet. It is late at night/early in the morning there! I think everyone is asleep! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues ID: 457561 ·

markodude[ocforums] Send message Joined: 9 Dec 01 Posts: 5 Credit: 6,627,732 RAC: 0	Message 457579 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 11:52:20 UTC - in response to Message 457561. 403s everywhere....all my clients are nearly out of work now meh :( ID: 457579 ·

John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0	Message 457585 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 12:07:45 UTC - in response to Message 457579. 403s everywhere....all my clients are nearly out of work now meh :( With a joint RAC like yours, you need some feeding! It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues ID: 457585 ·

Magnus Hedemark Send message Joined: 25 Oct 05 Posts: 2 Credit: 591,283 RAC: 0	Message 457622 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 12:59:38 UTC This doesn't necessarily require expensive redundant hardware, but free monitoring software (like Nagios) combined with text messaging should at least alert the system guys when there is a problem. Also if NFS mounts going stale are a regularly experienced problem, there are other ways to mount NFS to get around that issue. Stuff like using TCP instead of UDP mounting, setting timeouts, etc. My S@H Profile ID: 457622 ·

makosky Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 7 Jul 00 Posts: 56 Credit: 3,908,782 RAC: 0	Message 457631 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 13:21:07 UTC - in response to Message 457207. Has anybody seen this one before. I just installed some new Ram that is highly overclocked and was wondering if that may be causing it. This machine has been MemTested and Primed, and has reported 2 WU's without error. I've highlighted the message that I don't understand Thanks. 13/11/2006 6:28:18 PM\|SETI@home\|Reason: To fetch work 13/11/2006 6:28:18 PM\|SETI@home\|Requesting 2183 seconds of new work 13/11/2006 6:28:20 PM\|SETI@home\|Finished upload of file 09jn03aa.22751.4738.142324.3.46_1_0 13/11/2006 6:28:20 PM\|SETI@home\|Throughput 32411 bytes/sec 13/11/2006 6:28:23 PM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler request succeeded 13/11/2006 6:28:25 PM\|SETI@home\|Started download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:28:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Incomplete read of less than 5KB for 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 - truncating 13/11/2006 6:28:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Temporarily failed download of 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57: Error 403 13/11/2006 6:28:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:28:39 PM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi 13/11/2006 6:28:39 PM\|SETI@home\|Reason: To report completed tasks 13/11/2006 6:28:39 PM\|SETI@home\|Reporting 1 tasks 13/11/2006 6:28:44 PM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler request succeeded 13/11/2006 6:29:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Started download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:29:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Incomplete read of less than 5KB for 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 - truncating 13/11/2006 6:29:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Temporarily failed download of 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57: Error 403 13/11/2006 6:29:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:30:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Started download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:30:31 PM\|SETI@home\|Incomplete read of less than 5KB for 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 - truncating 13/11/2006 6:30:31 PM\|SETI@home\|Temporarily failed download of 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57: Error 403 13/11/2006 6:30:31 PM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 ID: 457631 ·

makosky Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 7 Jul 00 Posts: 56 Credit: 3,908,782 RAC: 0	Message 457633 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 13:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 457207. Has anybody seen this one before. I just installed some new Ram that is highly overclocked and was wondering if that may be causing it. This machine has been MemTested and Primed, and has reported 2 WU's without error. I've highlighted the message that I don't understand Thanks. 13/11/2006 6:28:18 PM\|SETI@home\|Reason: To fetch work 13/11/2006 6:28:18 PM\|SETI@home\|Requesting 2183 seconds of new work 13/11/2006 6:28:20 PM\|SETI@home\|Finished upload of file 09jn03aa.22751.4738.142324.3.46_1_0 13/11/2006 6:28:20 PM\|SETI@home\|Throughput 32411 bytes/sec 13/11/2006 6:28:23 PM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler request succeeded 13/11/2006 6:28:25 PM\|SETI@home\|Started download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:28:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Incomplete read of less than 5KB for 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 - truncating 13/11/2006 6:28:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Temporarily failed download of 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57: Error 403 13/11/2006 6:28:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:28:39 PM\|SETI@home\|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi 13/11/2006 6:28:39 PM\|SETI@home\|Reason: To report completed tasks 13/11/2006 6:28:39 PM\|SETI@home\|Reporting 1 tasks 13/11/2006 6:28:44 PM\|SETI@home\|Scheduler request succeeded 13/11/2006 6:29:27 PM\|SETI@home\|Started download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:29:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Incomplete read of less than 5KB for 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 - truncating 13/11/2006 6:29:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Temporarily failed download of 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57: Error 403 13/11/2006 6:29:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:30:29 PM\|SETI@home\|Started download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 13/11/2006 6:30:31 PM\|SETI@home\|Incomplete read of less than 5KB for 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 - truncating 13/11/2006 6:30:31 PM\|SETI@home\|Temporarily failed download of 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57: Error 403 13/11/2006 6:30:31 PM\|SETI@home\|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file 10jn03aa.8062.11777.454810.3.57 am getting the same but on different wu s ID: 457633 ·

Reuben Gathright Send message Joined: 8 Mar 01 Posts: 213 Credit: 14,594,579 RAC: 0	Message 457634 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 13:22:09 UTC I am having the same downloading problems... over 25 downloads waiting. Overclock with the MSI G31M3-L and Intel E8600 3.33Ghz Intel D865GLC Socket 478 Motherboard ~How To Overclock The Eee ASUS 1005HA Netbook To 1.9Ghz~ ID: 457634 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 457635 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 13:22:25 UTC - in response to Message 457530. So, I find it rather insulting that they care so little about those of US that do the actual crunching FOR them. Please do try to keep in mind that this apparently occured shortly after they had gone home for the day yesterday. I would hope that they would reboot and restore connectivity in about 3 hours when it is after 8:00am Tuesday in Berekeley rather than wait for the scheduled outage several hours later. But of course, I cannot speak for them. A little patience from all, please. This should be a rather short blip compared with a similar outage that occured over a weekend a while back. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster ID: 457635 ·

mikelee Send message Joined: 22 Jun 02 Posts: 2 Credit: 58,696 RAC: 0	Message 457642 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 13:26:11 UTC Despite the bickering on this thread (you know who you are!) it's reassuring to know that 'my end' is not at fault. 403's you've gotta hate them! ID: 457642 ·

Magicarcher Send message Joined: 9 Jul 06 Posts: 2 Credit: 325,614 RAC: 0	Message 457697 - Posted: 14 Nov 2006, 14:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 457642. Despite the bickering on this thread (you know who you are!) it's reassuring to know that 'my end' is not at fault. 403's you've gotta hate them! Nicely said. I've got the same 403 problem here, and it's indeed "reassuring to know that 'my end' is not at fault". As far as the bickering about the 403's goes... take a break. As long as you know that it's not 'your' fault... Btw., does it really matter wether they're taking 16 hours instead of 4 - 8? Furthermore, I don't believe they're 'taking their time' out of disrespect to us users. ID: 457697 ·

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