I am a team Founder, but my Boinc Manager do not diplay a link to a team Account.

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No, Boinc Manager doesn't show such a button for anyone. If you want to go to your team management functions, go through "Your Account".

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Thanks, but My account does not show such function...

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You've apparently got two accounts. here's another one.

You can try to log in with that one.

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I had a classic account and it is linked to my boinc account, but I can not login to my old account with old e-mail and password. Can you find e-mail for a http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=20784. Or is there any other solutions to this?

Thanks.

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There is a solution coming through the BOINC Server software (which holds the forums, your account etc.)

In a next version, there is an option to initiate a team founder transfer. You could wait for that one and try it. It isn't implemented yet, it's still being tested. But if you can wait a couple of weeks...

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Thanks for your help. I can wait, it is not a problem. Please forward me a message when solution is awailable.

Thanks again.

Daveski.

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If you subscribed to this thread, I will post in it when the solution is available.

Else I won't be able to tell you. I don't have any access to email addresses and I sure don't want you to post your email address on here. :)

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... In a next version, there is an option to initiate a team founder transfer. You could wait for that one and try it. It isn't implemented yet ...

A spam feature, which forces the team founders to take action, a really sick implementation without much thinking about the consequences behind it.

I wonder which loonie had this idea :-(

... In a next version, there is an option to initiate a team founder transfer. You could wait for that one and try it. It isn't implemented yet ...

A spam feature, which forces the team founders to take action, a really sick implementation without much thinking about the consequences behind it.

I wonder which loonie had this idea :-(

I agree. A couple on my team were playing today and found the place to click to force a transfer. Anyone who is anyone can join a team and click on that transfer. And get this.... The team founder gets an email saying someone wants to force a transfer "click here". but.. you go to the site and there is no place to stop it, no where is there a place to click and remain founder.
Someone should start fixing the real problems instead of creating unecessary ones.
And I have really tried hard to stay on the positive side of all the problems and whining on these boards recently. But if my founder has to constantly be fighting off needless coups for our team I am not sure what we will do.

And get this.... The team founder gets an email saying someone want to force a transfer "click here". but.. you go to the site and there is no place to stop it, no where is there a place to click and remain founder.

You can deny them by following the link in the email you got. There's a deny button there.
You can also do this through the "Change team founder" option in Team Management.

Anyway, they can only ask once every 3 months.
And any take-over will take 2 months if the email goes unanswered (aka, no denial).

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And get this.... The team founder gets an email saying someone want to force a transfer "click here". but.. you go to the site and there is no place to stop it, no where is there a place to click and remain founder.

You can deny them by following the link in the email you got. There's a deny button there.
You can also do this through the "Change team founder" option in Team Management.

Anyway, they can only ask once every 3 months.
And any take-over will take 2 months if the email goes unanswered (aka, no denial).

Thanks, Jord
There was no "Deny" button anywhere we saw as of this morning (11-1-2006).

This was a new thing? to force a takeover?
I got to believe few founders are going to like the idea of anyone doing these takeovers, especially teams with large number of users. If there is to be a founder transfer it should be the founder doing in team functions. Cuts out all the silliness and goofing off otherwise. Nothing to stop anyone from joining a team and then attempt a takeover. Sure leader can monkey around and try to stop, but who wants all that?

Just my 2 cents.

-Paul

Thanks, Jord
There was no "Deny" button anywhere we saw as of this morning (11-1-2006).

Could be a bug in the code (again). I've already warned Rytis over it.

This was a new thing? to force a takeover?

It was requested by some teams who have been without a team founder for ages (TF left the team, or completely left all projects, or died...). It was tested extensively and working when it left the test site. Maybe that something in Seti's server code doesn't like the option.

Anyway, I notified Rytis. Will probably get a reply tomorrow.

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If a team has 8146 members and only 10% play with it, the team founder has to visit the deny page 814 times and click a button there. Our team founder already received at least two requests within the first 2 days.

If a team has 1000 members and wants to annoy a different team, they can make their members create accounts just for the single reason to annoy the team leader of that other team. If only 10% join in, they can keep the team captain of the attacked team busy.

There should be limitations like :

- the one who asks for the leadership has to be a member for at least 6 months

- he should have crunched for the team for at least 3 months in a row

- the team leader needs a default action to be taken on requests - without the need to jump in on every single request, like "always deny transfer request" and maybe even "eject requesting person from team" (Before you yell at me : optional doesn't hurt)


A feature like this needs to be well prepared in order to avoid abusive use.

I agree with you, Ananas. Forwarded to the devs.

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I agree with you, Ananas. Forwarded to the devs.

Thanks :)

If they implement it or at least something similar, it will sure intercept team hitchhiking in nearly all cases - especially as email is not the most reliable component of the web and a lost email would mean a lost team here.

Please, don't shoot the messenger. :-)

Answers from Rytis:

limitations:

- the one who asks for the leadership has to be a member for at least 6 months

Impossible, the date when a person joined the team is not stored anywhere. This needs another (relatively big update), modifying the database again. What about the values for old members? I'd say no to this, although it might be a good idea...

- he should have crunched for the team for at least 3 months in a row

Much more impossible. If a date could be stored in the user table denoting team join date (first proposal), then this (second proposal) value can't be detected in any way - results do not linger in the database for this long (at least, on most projects). So I've got to say no to this.

- the team leader needs a default action to be taken on requests - without the need to jump in on every single request, like "always deny transfer request" and maybe even "eject requesting person from team" (Before you yell at me : optional doesn't hurt)"

Now this one defies the very idea of the system. Default action - deny. The founder goes missing. Another user requests to become a founder. Automatic rejection. Just like it is now.

People stating that "this was very poorly designed" could have participated in the design process which happened in boinc_dev. Or at least when they state something about how it should work, should think IF their proposal might work.

-as email is not the most reliable component of the web and a lost email would mean a lost team here

It is not limited to email, the request is shown in team admin pages. If team founder does not check team pages once in two months, does he deserve to be a valued founder? I don't think so. Although there might be a notice for the founder in home.php so he can see the request at any time without going deep. See, I'm thinking positively ;)
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Now, when one person on a team requests team founder take over first, all the other people on the team who next press the initiate take over button get a message saying that thus and so on their team already started the team take over. The TF only gets an email from the first person.

If your TF got two, then it is from different projects.

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Please, don't shoot the messenger. :-)

No, we might only throw some foul eggs... just kidding. :-)

I hope you don't mind if I comment on what you have only relayed. :-)

Answers from Rytis:
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Now this one defies the very idea of the system. Default action - deny. The founder goes missing. Another user requests to become a founder. Automatic rejection. Just like it is now.

I don't think founders will be happy if they have to take action regularly to prevent loosing there status as a founder. This is simply the wrong way round. If this function is available, I'm sure, it will not only be used if a founder goes missing but also much more often 'just for fun' or to deliberately create tensions in teams. I'm afraid that members of other teams even create accounts in a 'competing' team only to do that. A hostile take-over could have very nasty effects especially to the large teams.

People stating that "this was very poorly designed" could have participated in the design process which happened in boinc_dev.

Agreed. But not every user is able to participate in these processes. We all appreciate the work which is done there, but the results we might only see, when 'your product is in the store'. So please don't be offended by our comments. :-)

At least I will try to make an alternative proposal, please see below.

It is not limited to email, the request is shown in team admin pages. If team founder does not check team pages once in two months, does he deserve to be a valued founder?

If he is still doing his job on team pages, forums etc., why not. Or let me ask, does he deserve to loose his status as a founder? Or even if he/she is unavailable for whatever reason (for example being sick and in the hospital), would it be nice to see that 'John Doe' is the new founder of the team, when he/she is able to return?

Now, when one person on a team requests team founder take over first, all the other people on the team who next press the initiate take over button get a message saying that thus and so on their team already started the team take over. The TF only gets an email from the first person.

That's definitely good news. I was really concerned that some founders might get hit by an avalanche of such requests. Our team has more than 17.000 members for S@H, of course many of them not active. But if only 1% would klick on that button... well, I think you get my point. Good to hear that this is not the case.

If your TF got two, then it is from different projects.

This was my guess. However, according to BOINCstats both users are only active in SETI@home but in no other BOINC project (??). Could it be that they clicked both approximately at the same time and that's why both requests arrived at our TF?

Last but not least my humble proposal for this problem:

1. Every team founder should be able (or better required?) to make a list of say five to ten other team-members.

2. The team founder should have to click say every two month or so on a button only accessible to him/her. This should be some sort of 'life-sign' that he is willing and able to remain founder.

3. If the 'life-sign' is missing some day, all members from the predefined group of potential successors will get an email asking them if they want to take over the status of a founder. This small group is then able to discuss with each other who should take over (if they want, otherwise 'first come, first serve') and they can also try to contact the old founder, to see if he/she wants to give up.

I hope this makes sense and is feasible. It might combine the best of both worlds and I think it might effectively prevent misuse.

Now you can throw you eggs in my direction. :-)

Best regards

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here's some more things to ogle:




More to follow later.

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... If your TF got two, then it is from different projects.

Nope, both SETI@Home and both for the same team - and our team founders are busy enough with the forum and the team server, they are not power crunchers but they (and with them the team) are 1999ers (I see Ageless is a 1999er too) - and even if he does not check his home.php here for 5 years, he will still be one of the original founders in 1999.

There would be a few others others who could claim the right to be team founders of course - but I think if it was necessary, they would transfer the team between eachother without any pressure.


p.s.: I rarely have eggs at home, especially not rotten ones - but Rytis would deserve them. If a feature cannot be made good enough to meet the requirements, ditch that feature.