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 Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Iran president sparks criticism in remarks on Israel, Holocaust Yes, I read that in the news here yesterday, but when I looked on both CNN's and BBC's websites to post it here, I couldn't find any stories about it! :-O "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/09/iran.israel.ap/index.html Account frozen... ID: 208700 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/09/iran.israel.ap/index.html Yes, I see now it was posted yesterday about 8.30 GMT, but I couldn't see it anywhere. There was no links to it either on the frontpage or in the Middle East section. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Qui-Gon  Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11
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Yes, I see now it was posted yesterday about 8.30 GMT, but I couldn't see it anywhere. There was no links to it either on the frontpage or in the Middle East section. Does CNN have a European site? ID: 208749 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Yes, I see now it was posted yesterday about 8.30 GMT, but I couldn't see it anywhere. There was no links to it either on the frontpage or in the Middle East section. I don't know, I use this site: http://www.cnn.com/ "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Misfit  Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/09/iran.israel.ap/index.html oh where oh where did Ariane go oh where oh where could she be ID: 208769 · |
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/09/iran.israel.ap/index.html ??? Account frozen... ID: 208853 · |
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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Yes, I see now it was posted yesterday about 8.30 GMT, but I couldn't see it anywhere. There was no links to it either on the frontpage or in the Middle East section. No, but they have an international edition. Sub link for European news. Account frozen... ID: 208857 · |
Dominique  Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0
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Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0
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??? Is that her on the right holding a palm pilot? ID: 208883 · |
RichaG  Send message Joined: 20 May 99 Posts: 1690 Credit: 19,287,294 RAC: 36
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Boy you are sure brainwashed! Red Bull Air Racing Gas price by zip at Seti 
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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Boy you are sure brainwashed! Your glib statement will get the answer it deserves... if you aren't suffering from chronic tunnel vision you might be capable of reading some of the courts martial transcripts resulting from the Abu Gharib scandal. We'll start there, why not? And then answer the original question, i.e.,why can't they be incarcerated within the United States? What is there to hide? Just spouting off some school yard jargon shows a lack of maturity. But have it your way, I've taken a lot more from some persons far worst off than you. Account frozen... ID: 208947 · |
Hev  Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 
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My job involves working with refugee children who have fled various war zones around the world. Sometimes they are unaccompanied because they have lost their families. Yes I do have a comfortable, safe home and I am very aware of how fortunate I am. ID: 209069 · |
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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0
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[ I'm surprised at you Fuzzy, I had credited you with more intelligence then to respond in such a cliched manner. But I am also a great fan of Tom Lehrer... ID: 209076 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
[ Oh, I'm sorry to be such a disappointment to you, madam Hev, but my sense of humour is a little warped at times. But I thought you would be able to comprehend, as you seem to be a good joker yourself! I guess it's you, your daughter has got her great sense of humour from?! She showed her great wit not long time ago with this great joke, and lately she joked here! And there you responded yourself to Michael Roycraft, who has very little sense of humour, that you agreed in what he said to your daughter here, and I quote: Es99, Hello, Dear, Please don't take offense at this, OK? If you insist upon going slumming at the Asylum, PLEASE leave the inmates behind before returning here. :-) Really, dear, it's beneath you. (edit) Here's a tip: I was always taught that it's unfair to get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, and there's nothing to be gained by it. They're unable to grasp the fact that you've won, and those who recognize the victory will award you little credit, due to the weak opposition. For my intelligence, I'm surprised that you are surprised, as you said yourself that you agreed in the above quote saying that I'm an unarmed opponent in wits and that I'm a weak opposition (my intelligence, implied!). So I don't understand how you can be so surprised? Maybe this is the kind of wit I don't understand!? "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0
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Hmm...Fuzzy I'm not really sure how to respond to you. I think a lot of hurtful things get thrown around here in Seti. Many of them come disguised as jokes. Now I know that you are an intelligent women, I've been following your posts since I first joined in June this year. I was glad to see a woman so active in the forums. Now I understand that the group (the Seti Forum) has had a serious loss recently with their friend Rocky dying. I don't know whether this has had a significant effect on the group. Sometimes humour also gets lost in translation. What I find wonderful about being in Seti is all the different nationalities involved and how challenging that can be. I am finding my basic assumptions being tested. So salaam, shalom, peace ID: 209282 · |
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Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Oh, Hev, your response is nice! Thank you for your compliment of my intelligence, that was nice said of you. Yes, the loss of my dear friend Rocky has had an impact, not only on me, but on the whole board, and I and others here still mourn his death! My quote over at the ezboard "Touched by an angel!" is actually refering to Rocky and a dream I had about him right after his death. Rocky was a very close friend to me, and I discussed things with him, I hardly tell other people, even the persons closest to me. And he told me that I had a special place in his heart, and he also said that my heart is the size of his belly! (It makes me smile but also cry to recollect his words!) Rocky had a very respectfull way to adress people, and if you read the threads back to December last year, you'll see his wisdom and sanity come through in his posts. He could also cut down to the bone, when it was needed, and he didn't like people, who disrespected and belittled others, where he could answer in a very sarcastic way. And believe me, we have seen a lot of disrepecting and belittling people posting here! And yes, many things can be said and then later be called jokes! My response to your daughter in an another thread states my oppinion on this. Wit can be a very national thing, so things that's said in one country as jokes, may be frowned at in an another country. And one should be very carefull on an international board as these BOINC boards, as things can be misunderstood very fast and very badly! We have also seen this a lot, where some people have started to post something, they themselves thought were so funny, but where the rest of the community here couldn't see the joke at all! A certain "joke" about Jihad by PZ comes to my mind as an example. There have been other. And then there's the personal factor, such as the projections of one's own thoughts to others. I use the word "projection" here in the Gestalt psychological meaning, not in the traditional Freudian meaning. We have an example here lately, where you yourself projected your own thoughts to me, thinking that you thought I was saying something, I wasn't saying, in the Donald Duck and bird flu thread! So this is also a fact to be considered in the communication on a board like this. People tend to read in other people's sayings, what's going on in their own minds. We all have our oppinions, and some are so far away from each other as they can be. I very rarely participate in the political discussions that's taking place in this thread, as my English skills are not good enough to write fully what I think, and my interest in politics are really not that big. The American national politics, that's often discussed here, don't have my interest, and the international politics I often see more nuanced than most people express in their views here. Things are never black and white. I have, as yourself, worked as a socialworker and seen human lots and things that many people are unaware of. I am not naive about what's going on in society, both here and globally, and I have also seen humans when they are the worst! I have also spoken with refugees from Irak, who had come here as torture victims! And Kurdic refugees! In some things I agree with Tom Koenig and in others I agree with Dogbytes, just to take those two, whose oppinions I respect highly! But I can't discuss with them, not because I don't have an oppinion of my own, but because my language skills limits me! So, when I draw this really good classic by Tom Lehrer out of the moth bag, it was just as well a comment to Tom's post, where I emphasized what I was commenting, because I think there're too many out there who have oppinions which are so safe to have, sitting at home on their couch! And you saying what you said about Saddam Hussein's reign I know several Irakish refugees, who would feel very offended by! Enough about this, I'm not entering a discussion about this, as Tom already has said what I could say on this topic. I'm very much on the same line with him about this! So the challenge is to understand each other in spite of our differencies, and using a language that can be understood by most people. I know for sure, that I express myself as the person I am, with the oppinions I have, which also have given me the credibility I have here on this board. I am myself, have always been and always will be, and I have survived here more than a year now. As I said to Ariane somewhere else, being oneself is the most important thing to be respected here, as one's true self usually starts to shine though sooner or later! And people here are way too intelligent to be decieved! This has become longer than I first intended. This is also one of my traits, to write long posts, when I have something to say. So bear with me! So salaam, shalom, peace to you too! :-) "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me
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Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0
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No to torture - Congress must approve McCain amendment UNION-TRIBUNE EDITORIAL December 10, 2005 A headline in a Canadian newspaper tells us more than we want to know about how the United States is often perceived: "World has lost its human-rights champion." This headline appeared on a column about the debate over whether the United States should engage in torture. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited Europe, to defend this country against charges that Americans are torturing terror suspects, and a House-Senate conference committee is beginning debate over a bill containing an anti-torture amendment. House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-El Cajon, sits on the conference committee. The amendment, sponsored by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., would make language in the Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogations – which prohibits torture, cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of detainees – binding on all U.S. personnel. That includes those employed by the CIA and private contractors. The Senate approved the amendment on a 90-9 vote. It won the support of such hawks as Sen. John Warner, R-Va., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. President Bush, insisting that the United States must do what is necessary to protect its citizens, has threatened to veto the entire bill if it does not exempt the CIA from the anti-torture provisions. The House version does not contain the anti-torture language. In an effort led by Vice President Dick Cheney and CIA Director Porter Goss, the White House has lobbied members of the House to kill the amendment in the conference committee. The president's national security adviser, Steven Hadley, also has been negotiating with McCain over the CIA exemption. McCain has said he will not approve of any exemptions. He has said that whether or not Americans torture is not about terrorists' values; it is about ours. He is right. As the world's most prominent defender of human rights during modern times, America's disavowal of torture must be unambiguous. ID: 209412 · |
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Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0
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It's all in the detail - Vargas steps on own foot in feud with Filner Union Tribune Editorial December 10, 2005 Oh, those politicians and their glass houses. They sure shatter easily, don't they? Just ask Assemblyman Juan Vargas. Vargas, a San Diego Democrat who is making a career, unsuccessfully so far, of running against Bob Filner, another San Diego Democrat, for the party's congressional nomination in the 51st District, complained to a reporter recently about Filner's longtime practice of using campaign contributions to pay his wife purportedly as a fundraiser and consultant for his political campaigns. Federal law prohibits candidates from using campaign money for strictly personal uses, so it was a story that raised legitimate questions. But only a week after that story was published, Vargas had to acknowledge that he, too, had hired a relative, his brother-in-law, to work on past campaigns. But that was different, Vargas argued, because his brother-in-law did not live in the Vargas household so it wasn't as though he was using campaign funds to bolster his family income. If he had lived in the house, Vargas said, "then I wouldn't pay him." And just two days after that, the other shoe dropped. Oops, Vargas apologized, it turns out the brother-in-law did in fact live with him and his wife for at least a year while he was being paid for work on the Vargas-Filner campaign in 1996. Vargas said he merely forgot, adding, "I'm terrible with details." As garbage goes, Filner's is still the most malodorous. But this is a personal and petty game these two are playing, not worthy of the voters of the 51st District. Is there not anyone out there who wants to engage in substantive debate about the war in Iraq, taxes, the budget deficit, health care, immigration and a zillion other real issues? Somebody whose campaign financing is cleanly aboveboard? Somebody who is not terrible with details? ID: 209414 · |
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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0
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Thank you Fuzzy for your response. But I would like just to correct one thing. I don't know how I have been put in a position of supporting Saddam Hussein. If you look back in my post you will see that I called him a monster. I have also worked with torture victims from Iraq (I am an art psychotherapist and also have an understanding of projection, splitting and scapegoating). And as you say, in politics things are never black and white, although it can be easier to think in those terms. I also read some of Rocky's posts before he died, so I knew him a little bit, and I was shocked when he died so I can only imagine the impact on people who had been close to him. Hev ID: 209448 · |
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