For the benefit of someone who wasn't here last year (and found the previous Religious Thread[4] way too long to get started with), what is a WW?

P.S.  There's alot of that going around in America these days.

I've been biting my tongue for a long time now while trifling through these long posts of religious nonsense. I would suggest both parties (Believers and Nonbelievers) read their Bibles and learn the material before trying to have a debate about God.

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As a non-believer I'm trying to figure out what MY "Bible" is?

-Mrs. anon

For the benefit of someone who wasn't here last year (and found the previous Religious Thread[4] way too long to get started with), what is a WW?

For the benefit of someone who wasn't here last year (and found the previous Religious Thread[4] way too long to get started with), what is a WW?

Heck, I think WW goes back to the first Religious thread. He had a croanie on here too.. Simon I think.

For the benefit of someone who wasn't here last year (and found the previous Religious Thread[4] way too long to get started with), what is a WW?

Heck, I think WW goes back to the first Religious thread. He had a croanie on here too.. Simon I think.

Simeon.

By their fruits-
There be the Woo Woo

[color=red]I cleaned it up for you Carl.[/color]

By their fruits-
There be the Woo Woo

And just what is a WooWoo Man?
...cc

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

I've been biting my tongue for a long time now while trifling through these long posts of religious nonsense. I would suggest both parties (Believers and Nonbelievers) read their Bibles and learn the material before trying to have a debate about God.

...........

As a non-believer I'm trying to figure out what MY "Bible" is?

-Mrs. anon

I've been biting my tongue for a long time now while trifling through these long posts of religious nonsense. I would suggest both parties (Believers and Nonbelievers) read their Bibles and learn the material before trying to have a debate about God.

...........

As a non-believer I'm trying to figure out what MY "Bible" is?

-Mrs. anon

-Mrs. anon,

I am not sure what you mean by my Bible. Here is a bit on the Christian Bible.

The Bible was written over about three thousand years, with an oral history longer than that. If you believe that there is a God, then the Bible is a history of God dealing with mankind, warts and all. God chose a certain people to become his priests (teachers) to mankind, these became the Jews. They failed to become teachers, and failed to follow God themselves. Yet the Jews are still here today (and sadly still as pig headed). As the nation was to be the preisthood to the rest of the world, they were to remain seperate, hence the blood and gore of the old testiment.

If you accept that Jesus was the God-man, and was incarnet of the virgin Mary, and had the power to redeam mankind, then the New Testiment becomes valad.

If you cannot accept the above then use the Bible as a guide to living on earth. It is not easy, but if the world followed the basic teachings of Jesus, we wouldn't be having the wars we have had, nor the ones we are having, nor the ones we will have. (I am a war Vietnam war veteran).

There are plenty of cases where Christianity was used as an excuse to start wars and persecute peoples etc. That was religion, which is and always will be about power. Jesus' teaching was the opposit of power for the few. If you read any of the gospels of the Bible, Jesus really got stuck into the religious leaders of the time.

To use a rather trite phrase, BIBLE means: Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth.

Jim

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

I've been biting my tongue for a long time now while trifling through these long posts of religious nonsense. I would suggest both parties (Believers and Nonbelievers) read their Bibles and learn the material before trying to have a debate about God.

...........

As a non-believer I'm trying to figure out what MY "Bible" is?

-Mrs. anon

-Mrs. anon,

I am not sure what you mean by my Bible. Here is a bit on the Christian Bible.

The Bible was written over about three thousand years, with an oral history longer than that. If you believe that there is a God, then the Bible is a history of God dealing with mankind, warts and all. God chose a certain people to become his priests (teachers) to mankind, these became the Jews. They failed to become teachers, and failed to follow God themselves. Yet the Jews are still here today (and sadly still as pig headed). As the nation was to be the preisthood to the rest of the world, they were to remain seperate, hence the blood and gore of the old testiment.

If you accept that Jesus was the God-man, and was incarnet of the virgin Mary, and had the power to redeam mankind, then the New Testiment becomes valad.

If you cannot accept the above then use the Bible as a guide to living on earth. It is not easy, but if the world followed the basic teachings of Jesus, we wouldn't be having the wars we have had, nor the ones we are having, nor the ones we will have. (I am a war Vietnam war veteran).

There are plenty of cases where Christianity was used as an excuse to start wars and persecute peoples etc. That was religion, which is and always will be about power. Jesus' teaching was the opposit of power for the few. If you read any of the gospels of the Bible, Jesus really got stuck into the religious leaders of the time.

To use a rather trite phrase, BIBLE means: Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth.

Jim

So, Jim, you think Jews are pig headed? This must be a double insult from you, partly for using a degrading and condescending expression for Jews in general, and partly using the word pig headed about them, as they see pigs as unclean animals and therefore are prohibited to eat pigs. How dare you to insult any Jew by this? Who are you to do that? Then I just as well can say about all Christians that they are idiot, because you seem to be one!

And then you say that anybody should use the Bible as a guideline for living on Earth! Then please answer the following questions for me:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that, even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

And now, as the idiot, you seem to be, I'll bet you claim that this is not in the gospels, as it's from the Old Testament, but this is a part of the Bible none the less, and even in the New Testaments, there are a lot of calls for violence in the name of Christ. Even Christ himself had his fits, didn't he ban the fig tree for not carrying fig as it was the wrong season for that?

I really really really detest people who think they are better than others, because they think their way of living and beliefs are better than others! So, who have told you to tell others what they shall believe in or not?

I have a fundamental respect for other people and their choices for themselves, so what you and others have chosen to believe in is not my concern, but I will not accept you to degrade a whole religious community as the Jews, and then start preaching that the Bible is the guideline for living! What about the millions and billions, who lives as Hindus and Buddhists? Or any other kind of beliefs, such as Native American beliefs? Or Muslims for that matter!

. . . I am not Jewish so the old testiment laws do not apply to me, and I was not referring to them. I am sorry that I did not make that clear.

Jim

I'm intrigued by your statement:

. . . I am not Jewish so the old testiment laws do not apply to me, and I was not referring to them. I am sorry that I did not make that clear.

Jim

You don't have an Old Testiment in your Bible? Thou shalt not kill doesn't apply to your version of Christianity?

I'm intrigued by your statement:

. . . I am not Jewish so the old testiment laws do not apply to me, and I was not referring to them. I am sorry that I did not make that clear.

Jim

You don't have an Old Testiment in your Bible? Thou shalt not kill doesn't apply to your version of Christianity?

Yes it does! The old testiment delt with actions mostly. "Thou shall not kill" is replaced by "You shall love your neighbour as yourself". The teachings of Jesus are built around the word agape (aug-ha-pay), of which there is no english word that matches. (The word charity in it's older useage was close. E.G. If you give money to a needy person, charity is the reason you give, alms is what you give). That word "agape" is the key to the life that Christians, it deals with your thoughts. If as a Christian, I get to the point of murdering someone, my thoughts have wrong for some time, before that action. I have been a Christian for some twenty odd (even?) years, and i am still working that word out in my daily actions and reactions with those i meet.

Do i get it right all the time? NO!

Does this make me better than any ne else? NO!

Does this make me different? Yes.

Does it meen that i treat others differently than before i became a Christian? Yes.

I am not a people person, but i am working on it, if i seem to fail at it, believe me i was much worse those twenty odd years ago.

Keep up your belief that all other people should be treated with respect. When i said that the Jewish were stubborn,it was only in the context of my statement. (If you really want to see some pig headed people, some of those who call themselves "Christian" can give a good example. And yes that included me. I hope that i have improved over the years).

Jim

I'm intrigued by your statement:

. . . I am not Jewish so the old testiment laws do not apply to me, and I was not referring to them. I am sorry that I did not make that clear.

Jim

You don't have an Old Testiment in your Bible? Thou shalt not kill doesn't apply to your version of Christianity?

Yes it does! The old testiment delt with actions mostly. "Thou shall not kill" is replaced by "You shall love your neighbour as yourself". The teachings of Jesus are built around the word agape (aug-ha-pay), of which there is no english word that matches. (The word charity in it's older useage was close. E.G. If you give money to a needy person, charity is the reason you give, alms is what you give). That word "agape" is the key to the life that Christians, it deals with your thoughts. If as a Christian, I get to the point of murdering someone, my thoughts have wrong for some time, before that action. I have been a Christian for some twenty odd (even?) years, and i am still working that word out in my daily actions and reactions with those i meet.

Do i get it right all the time? NO!

Does this make me better than any ne else? NO!

Does this make me different? Yes.

Does it meen that i treat others differently than before i became a Christian? Yes.

I am not a people person, but i am working on it, if i seem to fail at it, believe me i was much worse those twenty odd years ago.

Keep up your belief that all other people should be treated with respect. When i said that the Jewish were stubborn,it was only in the context of my statement. (If you really want to see some pig headed people, some of those who call themselves "Christian" can give a good example. And yes that included me. I hope that i have improved over the years).

Jim

Murder has always been a great Christian past time. In every war they said, "God is with us." Why stop a great traditon. Not that Christians have a monopoly on the practice, which brings us back to, all religions suck. Mankind would have been far better off leaving the idols behind, and progressing into the future, rather than wallowing in something nebulous called "faith." It's a great opiate which dulls logic.