There are clearly some 'Classic' users that have big issues with BOINC and there are some tempers getting frayed at the edges.

Something is clearly adrift.

I suspect that the problem lies in communication beteween the SETI project and the 'crunchers'.

First, the recent downtime was an obvious example. The 'upload' backlog caused numerous posts on these boards and I actually saw one response start with 'If I have answered this once I must have....' or something along those lines.

Can I suggest that if there are numerous posts relating to a single issue like the 'upload' backlog then instead of complaining about the number of posts, just sit back and think "Why don't people know this?", or "How are we falling down on the job by not making this more clear?". How about a flashing banner on the home page for instance and saving all those posts and replies?

Second, the ongoing complaint regarding the loss of SETI 'Classic' work units.

I feel neither one way nor the other regarding this but clearly there are a LOT of dis-satisfied 'crunchers'. And I have to say that I think that there have been a lot of glib replies to peoples posts on this issue, usually along the lines of "Your units will be shown on your account page" and then hoping people will be satisfied with this. Clearly they are not.

If the SETI project was a commercial organisation that had so many dis-satisfied customers there would have been a board meeting by now to resolve the issue. And quite frankly a few heads would have rolled in the 'marketing department'.

Can I suggest that someone recognises peoples concerns, stops dismissing them out-of-hand, communicates sensibly with people that do have a genuine concern and try and come up with some kind of compromise?

I understand that some people think the old way of assigning credit was unfair but, equally, and this mustn't be forgotten, the people with the most credit and in their eyes the most to lose are the longest serving and most loyal 'crunchers'. And please no glib replies about why people are doing the crunching - each to his own - the important thing is that the units get processed - right? And if some people want to measure their performance (past and present) against others, who are we to judge?

It's time for a fresh start, time to wipe the slate clean and recognise that we are all inetrested in the success of SETI. Let's have no more 'them and us' attitude.

The BOINC software is clearly written along the lines of 'no carry forward of old units' - a fait accompli so to speak. That isn't going to change. However the stats pages that have sprung up are another matter.

Why not a stats site based on the 'old' method of assigning credit? All the info seems to be there, the old units to be brought forward are on each crunchers account page and the number of units and time taken could be taken from the results section of BOINC.

The beauty of this is that is satisfies both kinds of cruncher - just choose the stats web page that satifies yours purpose.

Any other suggestions?

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Look at this page and you will see where the fustration comes from, like they say it takes two to tango, and I hate tangoing alone.......Step by step by step Guide for Getting started in BOINC

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

Look at this page and you will see where the fustration comes from, like they say it takes two to tango, and I hate tangoing alone.......Step by step by step Guide for Getting started in BOINC

I have looked at the page, but I'm not quite sure I understand your point. :-)

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Look at this page and you will see where the fustration comes from, like they say it takes two to tango, and I hate tangoing alone.......Step by step by step Guide for Getting started in BOINC

I have looked at the page, but I'm not quite sure I understand your point. :-)

Me neither ;)

You don't seem to have problems installing it (which is quite easy IMHO), but with the general setup and "marketing".

Most of the issues are already on the homepage. The news, the link to the Technical News (and most of the time a brief summary on special occasions), A clear link to the Create an account area, and the Homepage is full, more info on it, and it will become unreadable.

The credit/WU-count problem has been dicussed over and over and over, from what I know before the start of Boinc as a beta on (havn't been there then, but I've been told). The decision was made (by project team and fellow crunchers), to a) validate the results, and b) to give some recognition according to the FLOPs everyone has done. No WUs have been counted since the beginning, and as they are deleted from the database, once the "real" result is transfered to the science database.

As for the Stats in general:
I think the task distribution here at Boinc works fine:

The project teams does the science, the application coding, and they deliver the raw data for the statistics. They even include some rudimentary statistics on the site as well.

The eager community delivers all kind of statistics, banners, competition, gadgets...you name it, it's probably already there.

Click on my left banner to go to my favourite Statspage.

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Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

Oh well I will be curtailing my help activities...... Good luck!!!!

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

Oh well I will be curtailing my help activities...... Good luck!!!!

Go on with the help activities, theay are appreciated, but don't post the same answer everywhere. Installaion was definitely not a problem here ;)

Keep on crunching (and providing assistance!)

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Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

Without wishing to be rude, may i direct you to the points in <strong>bold</strong>;

Total credit 2,556.39
Recent average credit 111.39
SETI@home classic workunits
<strong>as of 15 March 2005</strong> 2,214
SETI@home classic CPU time
<strong>as of 15 March 2005</strong> 18,964 hours

Also your idea of two stats pages (imho) would create many hundreds of posts complaining about how confusing these two pages are and why can't they just have the one.
What is so confusing about the credits system, the higher your credits the more work has been done, also this system is much fairer because it takes into account the difficulty of each WU and allows comparison between SETI WUs and other DC project WUs.

Hope i haven't dismissed anything concerning the points i make.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Mosaix, You clearly have a point. Somebody has done something wrong.
Im only a small fish with aprox 7k seti units ( its on anothere acount, read my name ) having some machines do some 24/7. I'm out.

"Don't mess with somethng that do the jobb...."

Me, myself and I are loging out as soon as the old clients need reinstall.
Bye!

Oh well I will be curtailing my help activities...... Good luck!!!!

Go on with the help activities, theay are appreciated, but don't post the same answer everywhere. Installaion was definitely not a problem here ;)

Keep on crunching (and providing assistance!)

Classic Acct. Updating

If you had an account in the original 'SETI@home Classic' project as of 15 March 2005:
We've transferred your account, including profile and team information.
You must now activate the account.

... and enter your SETI@home Classic password
If you don't have your password, you won't be able to activate your account; instead, just create a new account.



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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

Mosaix, You clearly have a point. Somebody has done something wrong.
Im only a small fish with aprox 7k seti units ( its on anothere acount, read my name ) having some machines do some 24/7. I'm out.

"Don't mess with somethng that do the jobb...."

Me, myself and I are loging out as soon as the old clients need reinstall.
Bye!

It wasn't doing the job. SETI Classic is badly out of date, it is over six years old and was only supposed to last two years. SETI will be expanding the search and the old methods won't be able to handle the job.