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Message 136819 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 17:16:38 UTC

Suppose this is a coinsidence? For no particular reason I had my computers hidden. Hadn't really thought much about it. But with a recent post I made I figured having it visible might make it easier for those much smarter than I to see what was going on. Here's the kicker. With the computer still hidden, the quota was 100/day, turnaround time 1.67 days.
I went ahead and made the computer visible. Now, viewing the same computer, the quota is 1/day and turnaround time is 14 days. Nothing uploaded or downloaded between the time I 'un-hid' the computer and now. Sure it's a slow machine, but it's still be cranking out 2 wu's a day. It's kept that same pace for the last week, the only glitches being a couple Validate Errors that came about right after the last major outage. Maybe I should have kept things a secret?



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Message 136833 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 17:58:34 UTC - in response to Message 136819.  

Suppose this is a coinsidence? For no particular reason I had my computers hidden. Hadn't really thought much about it. But with a recent post I made I figured having it visible might make it easier for those much smarter than I to see what was going on. Here's the kicker. With the computer still hidden, the quota was 100/day, turnaround time 1.67 days.
I went ahead and made the computer visible. Now, viewing the same computer, the quota is 1/day and turnaround time is 14 days. Nothing uploaded or downloaded between the time I 'un-hid' the computer and now. Sure it's a slow machine, but it's still be cranking out 2 wu's a day. It's kept that same pace for the last week, the only glitches being a couple Validate Errors that came about right after the last major outage. Maybe I should have kept things a secret?


Your computer have 2 results that wasn't returned by their deadline earlier today, and therefore your turnaround-time increased and your quota decreased. It looks like there's a bug somewhere so the quota decreases too much, but it should double for each "success"-result you reports so isn't a big problem.
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Message 136836 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 18:09:37 UTC - in response to Message 136833.  
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Your computer have 2 results that wasn't returned by their deadline


Ah so. Timing is everything. Looks like I just happened to unhide the computer right when the deadline hit. Don't I get some kind of consolation prize for that??

edit: By golly, it's my aniversary too! All uploads of beer graciously accepted :)



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Message 136839 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 18:19:36 UTC

Don't get your hopes up yet. There's 4 more units that will time out over the next two days. One for tomorrow and 3 for Sunday. Each of the late returnees will put you back to a quota of 1/day. (Luckily the three on Sunday will do that all at once. ;))
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Message 136843 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 18:23:39 UTC

From other posts, and my experience, I came to think
that what's seen here is how it's supposed to work.
As soon as you pass a dealine on a unit, your avg.
turnaround time goes to 14 days, and your quota drops
to 1/day. Then, each unit you finish without going
over the deadline doubles your quota, and turnaround
time starts to come down. I think this is to throttle
machines which might be consuming units but not returning
them for whatever reason. As you return units, your
quota should go to 2, 4, 8, 16, etc.

It looks like Scarecrow has a few more units in jeopardy
in the next few days, as well, due on the 16th and 17th.
If they go over, you'll drop back to a quota of 1/day
for each of those.

Maybe you have some units stuck in the upload queue due to
the upload server response deficit we're working thru? Look
in your transfer tab. You might identify which units are
are those in jeopardy and do some "retries" on them to get
them returned ASAP. I know, retrys will hit the servers more,
but having them expire just because of server problems
doesn't make any sense.

Dave


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Message 136845 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 18:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 136839.  
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Don't get your hopes up yet. There's 4 more units that will time out over the next two days. One for tomorrow and 3 for Sunday. Each of the late returnees will put you back to a quota of 1/day. (Luckily the three on Sunday will do that all at once. ;))


Yeah, I saw them too. Not sure what/how/why/where they are, but they aren't 'really' here. Just the 3 most current ones show up as running or getting ready to. But I'm sure with all the pending beer uploads I'll be able to take it like a man. :)

Look in your transfer tab


She's empty, seems like the 4 in question came into existance around the time of some problems on the server side so that might be why they're ghosting in there. I'll just brace myself, grin and bear it. :)


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Message 136850 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 18:41:51 UTC

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.


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Message 136937 - Posted: 15 Jul 2005, 22:21:12 UTC - in response to Message 136850.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...
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Message 137506 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 2:18:26 UTC - in response to Message 136937.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...

Coding mistakes can be made in any language. Different languages have their different strengths and weaknesses and hence different common coding mistakes, or things that just cannot be done.


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Message 137513 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 2:27:03 UTC - in response to Message 137506.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...

Coding mistakes can be made in any language. Different languages have their different strengths and weaknesses and hence different common coding mistakes, or things that just cannot be done.



I agree...
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Message 137557 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 3:20:00 UTC - in response to Message 137513.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...

Coding mistakes can be made in any language. Different languages have their different strengths and weaknesses and hence different common coding mistakes, or things that just cannot be done.



I agree...


I dont't quite agree. Though C is a very powerful language, it is very vulnerable to mistakes. One little mistake and you can spend hours debugging to find the mistake.
I prefer Delphi over C. A little less powerful than C, but far more easier to use... And more readable ;-)


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Message 137568 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 3:32:04 UTC - in response to Message 137557.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...

Coding mistakes can be made in any language. Different languages have their different strengths and weaknesses and hence different common coding mistakes, or things that just cannot be done.



I agree...


I dont't quite agree. Though C is a very powerful language, it is very vulnerable to mistakes. One little mistake and you can spend hours debugging to find the mistake.
I prefer Delphi over C. A little less powerful than C, but far more easier to use... And more readable ;-)



It really depends on how well you know the language (just like a spoken launguage). If you "kind of" know French, and try to use it, there's a chance of when you think you say "I Like your mother" to really say "I'd like to date your mother".

C is not for a newbee programmer. C++ is a bit better, but I've yet to meet a good C++ programmer that didn't really understand C. Launguages like Java and Smalltalk are much better at OOP programing, as they prevent you from getting outside the object constraints (as C++ does).

Ok, I know I'll get flamed here..

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Message 137586 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 3:52:06 UTC - in response to Message 137568.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...

Coding mistakes can be made in any language. Different languages have their different strengths and weaknesses and hence different common coding mistakes, or things that just cannot be done.



I agree...


I dont't quite agree. Though C is a very powerful language, it is very vulnerable to mistakes. One little mistake and you can spend hours debugging to find the mistake.
I prefer Delphi over C. A little less powerful than C, but far more easier to use... And more readable ;-)



It really depends on how well you know the language (just like a spoken launguage).


Here you have a very good point. I've been programming in C and Delphi for the past 10 years, both professionally. Sure you have to know the syntaxis, but the very reason why I like Delphi over C, is that Delphi doesn't make a difference between upper- and lowercase variables....


If you "kind of" know French, and try to use it, there's a chance of when you think you say "I Like your mother" to really say "I'd like to date your mother".


"J'aime bien ta mère", ou "je vieux bien baiser ta mère"?
That's a difference of speech. Ok... You got me.



C is not for a newbee programmer. C++ is a bit better, but I've yet to meet a good C++ programmer that didn't really understand C. Launguages like Java and Smalltalk are much better at OOP programing, as they prevent you from getting outside the object constraints (as C++ does).

Ok, I know I'll get flamed here..


No, you won't. What about c#? lol





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Message 137613 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 4:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 137586.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...

Coding mistakes can be made in any language. Different languages have their different strengths and weaknesses and hence different common coding mistakes, or things that just cannot be done.



I agree...


I dont't quite agree. Though C is a very powerful language, it is very vulnerable to mistakes. One little mistake and you can spend hours debugging to find the mistake.
I prefer Delphi over C. A little less powerful than C, but far more easier to use... And more readable ;-)



It really depends on how well you know the language (just like a spoken launguage).


Here you have a very good point. I've been programming in C and Delphi for the past 10 years, both professionally. Sure you have to know the syntaxis, but the very reason why I like Delphi over C, is that Delphi doesn't make a difference between upper- and lowercase variables....


If you "kind of" know French, and try to use it, there's a chance of when you think you say "I Like your mother" to really say "I'd like to date your mother".


"J'aime bien ta mère", ou "je vieux bien baiser ta mère"?
That's a difference of speech. Ok... You got me.



C is not for a newbee programmer. C++ is a bit better, but I've yet to meet a good C++ programmer that didn't really understand C. Launguages like Java and Smalltalk are much better at OOP programing, as they prevent you from getting outside the object constraints (as C++ does).

Ok, I know I'll get flamed here..


No, you won't. What about c#? lol






Not even looked at c# as other languages are there to do what I need.

- "doesn't make a differenve between upper and lower case variables". To me that sucks! Makes the code harder to read as the variable name (to my eye or search in an editor) would not be the same....

Only weak languages allow case insenitivity!

But then again, I wrote my first C code almost 30 years back...

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Message 137628 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 5:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 137613.  


Not even looked at c# as other languages are there to do what I need.

...

But then again, I wrote my first C code almost 30 years back...



Then you should take a look at C#! It's object oriented and you can't do anything but work in classes!


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Message 137654 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 7:27:21 UTC
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[font='courier,courier new']C is a joke.

...but only Thompson, Ritchie, and Kernighan are laughing.

...and at us.[/font]
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Message 137712 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 13:30:03 UTC

Look in the Wiki for my opinion of C ... (you can't look for C++ due to constraints of using Wiki - use C Plus Plus instead).
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Message 137717 - Posted: 17 Jul 2005, 13:44:06 UTC - in response to Message 137513.  

hmm. I wonder if there is a spot in the code with an "= 1;" instead of a "-= 1;" in it.

And people wonder why I think C stinks ...

Coding mistakes can be made in any language. Different languages have their different strengths and weaknesses and hence different common coding mistakes, or things that just cannot be done.

I agree...


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