(Many apologies for the insane ranting and public display of strange thoughts which follow)

So a few drinks into the night a strange thought occurred to me: That we are currently sitting on the edge of a backlash against science.

Don't get me wrong, there will always be some friction between science and society. Politically, those damned facts and fact based ideals get in the way of a good story. Religion much the same. In fact society at-large is often confused about science, and that breeds contempt.

Even worse, currently there is a bunch of ideologically tainted garbage, that presents itself as science. I don't know if this is presented simply as more "report first get the story right later", or if there is a more sinister force at work.

This is hardly the first time there has been a major backlash against science. In the 19th century 2 books come immediately to mind Frankenstien and Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde, both dwell on fears about science and it going too far. Even then it had happened several times before.

There is too much to really cover in one post, hell I'm not entirely sure where I was going with this. Maybe someone can pick-up the ball and help me out here (please).

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Still looking for something profound or inspirational to place here.

"There is general agreement that there is a lot known, but also there is a lot to be known."

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Don't get me wrong, there will always be some friction between science and society. Politically, those damned facts and fact based ideals get in the way of a good story. Religion much the same. In fact society at-large is often confused about science, and that breeds contempt.

The issue has always been that Science seems to cut into the "stable" beliefs of religion. Darwin couldn't possibly be right about evolution because we all know that God created all things on Earth.

Life on other planets couldn't possibly exist because God only created Earth.

Now with stem cell research so perceived to be so close to the ultimate insult to Religion - the creation of life, we are once again seeing Religious Factions rear up in defense. Afterall only God can create life. The real question is are we creating life or are we just duplicating it?

On top of all that Humans are reaching further and further into space with more and more advanced equipment. Eventually we will prove that we are not alone in the Universe. The impact of this on Religion will be tremendous.

Life will go on!!

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I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom.

The issue has always been that Science seems to cut into the "stable" beliefs of religion.

Seems Science is now threatening to cut into the religion of Corporate profit.......

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deleted...all too complex to do with a keyboard.....needs face to face plus beer to even start thinking about it all.

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mission accomplished....

....now, here's your reward.

Business as usual........

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mission accomplished....

....now, here's your reward.

Business as usual........

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On top of all that Humans are reaching further and further into space with more and more advanced equipment. Eventually we will prove that we are not alone in the Universe. The impact of this on Religion will be tremendous.

Unfortunately, I cannot corroborate this with a cite, so it may be an urban legend. I did hear, however, that the Vatican does have a policy in place should intelligent life be found elsewhere in the Universe. The Vatican would determine, to the best of their ability, whether or not the aliens are "fallen", as humans became when Adam and Eve were chucked out of the Garden of Eden. If so, the Vatican would encourage peaceful contact and comparison of religious truths. If not (and I have no idea how they'd determine this) then the Vatican would advocate breaking off all contact in order not to corrupt them.

As I said, can't cite it, so may be an urban legend, but it sounds "logical" from the Christian theological standpoint.

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As I said, can't cite it, so may be an urban legend, but it sounds "logical" from the Christian theological standpoint.

I would not doubt that the Vatican and other well established religious organization with do their best to put their collective spin on the discovery we are not alone in the vastness of space.

Just remember most religions preach that the bible God Created Earth. They seems to like leaving off that part that says "and the heaven above" or true meaning of this has been lost on the "fallen".

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I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom.

Just remember most religions preach that the bible God Created Earth. They seems to like leaving off that part that says "and the heaven above" or true meaning of this has been lost on the "fallen".

Let's not go there. Holy wars between humans are bad enough.

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Just remember most religions preach that the bible God Created Earth. They seems to like leaving off that part that says "and the heaven above" or true meaning of this has been lost on the "fallen".

Let's not go there. Holy wars between humans are bad enough.

Now if the wise Raven and the learned Wolf can not discuss human frailities then all is truely lost..

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I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom.

Just remember most religions preach that the bible God Created Earth. They seems to like leaving off that part that says "and the heaven above" or true meaning of this has been lost on the "fallen".

Let's not go there. Holy wars between humans are bad enough.

Now if the wise Raven and the learned Wolf can not discuss human frailities then all is truely lost..

Regardless, how wise or learned, The wolf will eat the raven if given the chance.

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I don't like science and religion mentioned in the same breath. It's apples and oranges.

Science is a lot of theories thought to be absolutes until the next best theory comes along. Don't get so religious about science.

I enjoy scientific descovery as well as the next guy.

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Regardless, how wise or learned, The wolf will eat the raven if given the chance.

Or vice-versa. Depends which one finds the other dead first.

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U.S. Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky thanked Exxon executives for the company's "active involvement" in helping to determine the administration's climate change policy, including offering up the company's advice on what climate policies Exxon might find acceptable.

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[font='fixedsys,courier']Does it take a week for the sled dogs to bring you the news?[/font]

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S.S.D.D.

U.S. Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky thanked Exxon executives for the company's "active involvement" in helping to determine the administration's climate change policy, including offering up the company's advice on what climate policies Exxon might find acceptable.

What ITF does this have to do with this thread?

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U.S. Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky thanked Exxon executives for the company's "active involvement" in helping to determine the administration's climate change policy, including offering up the company's advice on what climate policies Exxon might find acceptable.

Shocking, an administration requested input from a group of companies that have a stake in the decision. This must surely be unprecedented ;)

Dogbytes- It might just be me, but the whole thread was started with an under formed and poorly writen thought. PZ's post certainly qualifies to be here.

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Still looking for something profound or inspirational to place here.