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Message 116927 - Posted: 31 May 2005, 19:23:22 UTC - in response to Message 116915.  
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'Deep Throat'

[font="fixedsys,courier"]I seem to remember Woodward (or some PR guy) mentioning that Deep Throat was in ill health not too long ago (month? weeks?) and that (as per Deep Throat's request) he/she/it would be identified soon thereafter.

Is Felt still alive?[/font]


Yes, but he is 91... So who knows just how healthy he is... As far as the statement about 'ill health' goes... It was said that DT would be identified by W & B only AFTER DT died.

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Message 116929 - Posted: 31 May 2005, 19:35:31 UTC - in response to Message 116927.  

[font="fixedsys,courier"]That's what I thought.

I'm not Watergate-age, so I was hoping that someone would confirm/negate that for me.

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Message 117024 - Posted: 31 May 2005, 22:29:30 UTC

Washington Post Confirms Felt Is 'Deep Throat'
Woodward, Bernstein and Bradlee Reveal Former FBI Official as Secret Watergate Source


By William Branigin and David Von Drehle
Washington Post Staff Writers

Tuesday, May 31, 2005; 5:29 PM

The Washington Post today confirmed that W. Mark Felt, a former number-two official at the FBI, was "Deep Throat," the secretive source who provided information that helped unravel the Watergate scandal in the early 1970s and contributed to the resignation of president Richard M. Nixon.

The confirmation came from Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, the two Washington Post reporters who broke the Watergate story, and their former top editor, Benjamin C. Bradlee. The three spoke after Felt's family and Vanity Fair magazine identified the 91-year-old Felt, now a retiree in California, as the long-anonymous source who provided crucial guidance for some of the newspaper's groundbreaking Watergate stories.

The Vanity Fair story said Felt had admitted his "historic, anonymous role" following years of denial.

In a statement today, Woodward and Bernstein said, "W. Mark Felt was 'Deep Throat' and helped us immeasurably in our Watergate coverage. However, as the record shows, many other sources and officials assisted us and other reporters for the hundreds of stories that were written in The Washington Post about Watergate."

Felt's guidance to Woodward -- provided on "deep background" in secret meetings -- helped keep public attention focused on the June 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington's Watergate office and apartment complex, and on a subsequent cover-up effort. This ultimately led to a congressional investigation that revealed the role of Nixon and a number of his top aides. Under threat of impeachment, Nixon resigned in 1974.

Woodward, Bernstein and Bradlee had kept the identity of "Deep Throat" secret at the source's request, saying his name would be revealed upon his death. "We've kept that secret because we keep our word," Woodward said.

But with the Vanity Fair article and the family's statement, the three decided today to break their silence.

Bradlee, who was the Post's executive editor during Watergate, said today, "The thing that stuns me is that the goddamn secret has lasted this long."

Woodward went ahead despite skepticism that the former FBI official was competent to decide to change the ground rules of their secret relationship. Felt has been in declining health since suffering a stroke in 2001.

Woodward, now a Post assistant managing editor, said he is writing an article for Thursday's newspaper that will provide a personal account of his and Bernstein's experience in covering Watergate. Bernstein is now a freelance writer and lecturer.

Woodward said Felt helped The Post at a time of tense relations between the White House and much of the FBI hierarchy. He said the Watergate break-in came shortly after the death of legendary FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, Felt's mentor, and that Felt and other bureau officials wanted to see an FBI veteran promoted to succeed Hoover.

Felt himself had hopes that he would be the next FBI director, but Nixon instead appointed an administration insider, assistant attorney general L. Patrick Gray, to the post.

Bradlee, in an interview this afternoon, said that knowing that "Deep Throat" was a high-ranking FBI official helped him feel confident about the information that the paper was publishing about Watergate. He said that he knew the "positional identity" of "Deep Throat" as the Post was breaking its Watergate stories and that he learned his name within a couple of weeks after Nixon's resignation.

"The number-two guy at the FBI, that was a pretty good source," he said.

"I knew the paper was on the right track," Bradlee said. The "quality of the source" and the soundness of his guidance made him sure of that, he said.

"We made only one mistake . . . and that had nothing to do with 'Deep Throat,' " Bradlee said, referring to an error in reporting grand jury testimony.

Bradlee said that over the years, "it was interesting to watch people flounder around with odd choices" about the identity of "Deep Throat," a nickname borrowed from the title of a pornographic film. Although he knew the source's identity, Bradlee said, "I've never met Felt. I wouldn't know him if I fell on him."

In a family statement released today, Felt's grandson, Nick Jones, said, "The family believes my grandfather, Mark Felt Sr., is a great American hero who went well above and beyond the call of duty at much risk to himself to save his country from a horrible injustice." The statement added, "We all sincerely hope the country will see him this way as well."

Jones said in the statement, "My grandfather is pleased he is being honored for his role as 'Deep Throat' with his friend Bob Woodward. As he recently told my mother, 'I guess people used to think "Deep Throat" was a criminal, but now they think he was a hero.'"

The Vanity Fair article, by California attorney John D. O'Connor, described Felt as conflicted over his role in the Watergate revelations and over whether he should publicly reveal that he was the anonymous source whose identity has been a closely guarded secret for more than three decades.

"On several occasions he confided to me, 'I'm the guy they used to call "Deep Throat," ' " O'Connor wrote. The author wrote that Felt "still has qualms about his actions, but he also knows that historic events compelled him to behave as he did: standing up to an executive branch intent on obstructing his agency's pursuit of the truth."

The article concluded, "Felt, having long harbored the ambivalent emotions of pride and self-reproach, has lived for more than 30 years in a prison of his own making, a prison built upon his strong moral principles and his unwavering loyalty to country and cause. But now, buoyed by his family's revelations and support, he need feel imprisoned no longer."
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Message 117027 - Posted: 31 May 2005, 22:38:06 UTC

Iraqi president expects Saddam trial in 2 months

By Luke Baker
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Tuesday, May 31, 2005; 6:25 PM

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Saddam Hussein could go on trial for crimes against humanity within two months, far earlier than expected, Iraq's new president, Jalal Talabani, said on Tuesday.

Asked in an interview televised on CNN when Saddam's trial would begin, Talabani said: "I hope within two months."

Iraqi prosecutors and their U.S. advisers say a trial is more likely in 2006, after some of Saddam's lieutenants have been tried, to help build the case against the former dictator.

Iraqi leaders hope that trials of Saddam and his aides will help restore public confidence, sapped by relentless insurgent violence and political bickering that delayed the formation of a cabinet for months.

In Washington, President Bush said that despite mounting casualties in Iraq, "I'm pleased with the progress" being made.

"I am pleased that ... there is a democratically elected government in Iraq, there are thousands of Iraqi soldiers trained and better equipped to fight for their own country," he told a news conference in the White House Rose Garden.

More than 1,600 Americans have been killed since Saddam was ousted in April 2003, more than 70 of them in May alone. But Bush expressed confidence the Iraqi government would get the situation under control, enabling U.S. troops to pull out.

"And when they're ready, we'll come home. And I hope that's sooner rather than later."

The death toll for American troops in May was the highest since January, with the U.S. military saying on Tuesday insurgents have doubled their number of daily attacks since April.

SPREE OF VIOLENCE

This latest spree of violence by insurgents put a dramatic end to a period when attacks on U.S. forces had waned after the historic Jan. 30 elections.

At least 77 U.S. troops were killed in May, according to a count of deaths announced by the military. That is the highest toll since 107 Americans were killed in January.

In the latest losses for U.S.-led forces in Iraq, four Italians, four Americans and an Iraqi were killed in two aircraft crashes, officials said.

A six-seater Iraqi Air Force plane crashed 150 km (90 miles) northeast of Baghdad on Monday, killing four U.S. Air Force personnel and an Iraqi pilot, Iraq's Defense Ministry said.

A ministry spokesman said he believed the plane came down in a sandstorm. The U.S. military said it was investigating.

Overnight, an Italian military helicopter crashed outside the southern city of Nassiriya as it returned from Kuwait, killing the two pilots and two gunners. The cause of the crash was unknown, but it was believed to be non-hostile.

In Baghdad, Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari condemned the arrest by U.S. troops on Monday of senior Sunni politician Mohsen Abdul-Hamid, leader of the Iraqi Islamic Party.

He said he had demanded an explanation from the top American general in Iraq for the 12-hour detention, which the military has said was a mistake.

Relatives of Abdul-Hamid said U.S. troops broke down the door of his family home, ransacked the house and put a hood over his head before carting him and his three sons away.

The arrest threatened to put further strain on relations between Iraq's Sunni Arab and Shi'ite communities at a time when some have expressed fears of a slide toward civil war.

In his speech to parliament, Jaafari said he hoped a new constitution, due to be drafted by mid-August, would be drawn up on time, but admitted it was a tight deadline. He said improving security, his biggest headache, was a formidable task.

"There are big problems, we don't claim that we'll remove all obstacles, but we'll make a tangible difference in security and public services," he said.

On Sunday his government launched Operation Lightning, aiming to put 40,000 Iraqi police and soldiers on the streets of Baghdad to hit back at insurgents.

Jaafari said the operation had so far resulted in a large number of arrests of Iraqi and foreign militants and the discovery of several car bomb workshops.

Car bombs are perhaps Iraq's biggest threat. In May, 140 explosives-laden vehicles detonated across the country, a huge rise from 2004 monthly figures.

Al Qaeda's network in Iraq, headed by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has claimed responsibility for many of the attacks.

Zarqawi is Washington's number one enemy in Iraq with a $25 million bounty on his head. (Additional reporting by Omar Anwar and Mussab al-Khairalla in Baghdad, and Will Dunham in Washington.)
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Message 117065 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 1:35:48 UTC - in response to Message 116834.  
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[font="fixedsys,courier"]I'm probably the exception to the rule. ....[/font]

Just to add my 2¢ worth:

I crunch for 4 projects, SETI, CPDN, LHC, and Einstein. The only fora I participate in is SETI. Not because I haven't earned enough BOINC credits at the other 3, but because SETI/BOINC was my first. I never participated in the "Classic" fora and yet I crunched more than enough WUs there to have earned the privilege. I believe that people should earn the privilege to post in these fora. ZimmpleBrain is NOT earning that privilege.

Ok, maybe that was 3¢ worth.... >:-)

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Message 117070 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 1:43:48 UTC - in response to Message 116838.  

In fear of a mauling : ....
As I see it, this is NOT a 'free speech' issue. This is an issue of 'access priviledges'. Zimmerman has the 'right' to speak his mind in public areas and in areas that he owns and/or controls. He does NOT have the right to do so in private areas. Zimmerman does not have the right to, for instance, enter someone else's house or apartment without permission even if he wants to 'tell them something'.

Consider a bar that has a 'cover charge' for entry. One is not supposed to enter without paying the cover charge, even IF one just wants to speak to someone else inside. That is the situtation here. These forums are for the use of people crunching the BOINC/Seti@Home project. Zimmerman has refused to pay the 'cover charge', claiming he is unable to do so. Zimmerman has snuck in anyway. He has been handed the means to pay the 'cover charge', yet absolutely refuses. It does not matter that he has paid the 'cover charge' at a bar next door (Seti@Home Classic). He needs to pay it HERE.

Again, this is NOT a free-speach issue. Zimmerman absolutely HAS the right to say whatever he wishes at his house or in public areas. He has to EARN the priviledge to say it here. He must pay his dues here.

Mr. Kong, a great big +1 for you sir....


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Message 117072 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 1:58:12 UTC - in response to Message 116840.  

Ok guys. I read some of his material and it is repetitive drum beating mind numbing politices with no added value, per se, from him. Fine I agree. But he has an account here so he must have "paid" to get in and therefore has he not got the right to post as you all described it. Perhaps the answer is to filter him out and then none of you would not see him....and I guess from what you all say you won't miss him too much either.

Just to clarify:

Just because he has the 11 credits shown here, does not mean he earned them, observe this and tell me how he has earned those credits. No computer = no earned credits.

Analogy, by your logic:

You open up a bank account with $25.00. You need $279.95 to buy a new TV. Have you earned the privilege to withdraw $279.95 from the bank when you opened the account with only $25.00? I believe not! Just because Paul has opened an account [and somehow swindled us out of 11 credits], does NOT give him the privilege to post his crap in these fora.

This is not a flame, just pointing out facts and logic....

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Message 117074 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 2:06:14 UTC - in response to Message 116865.  

[quote][font="fixedsys,courier"]AFAICT that payment is still due.

Credit per post ratio For Paul Zimmerman:

22 Jan 2005
Country United States
Total credit 11.00
Recent average credit 0.00
SETI@home classic workunits
as of 15 March 2005 49
SETI@home classic CPU time
as of 15 March 2005 558 hours
Team None
Computers View = None
Message board posts 1280

Works out to be 116.36363636363636363636364 Posts per credit. 50 Hours per credit

Rocky, there's just one flaw in your calculations. That being the number of credits. ZimmpleBrain did NOT earn those credits. No computer = no credits earned. Somehow ZimmpleBrain has swindled the crunchers here out of 11 credits. >:-)

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Message 117076 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 2:10:50 UTC

High Court Sides With Inmates on Religion

By GINA HOLLAND
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Tuesday, May 31, 2005; 7:08 PM

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court sided with a witch, a Satanist and a racial separatist Tuesday, upholding a federal law requiring state prisons to accommodate the religious affiliations of inmates.

The three Ohio prisoners and others sued under the 2000 federal law, claiming they were denied access to religious literature and ceremonial items and denied time to worship.

The law says states that receive federal money must accommodate prisoners' religious beliefs, with such things as special haircuts or meals, unless wardens can show that the government has a compelling reason not to.

The court's unanimous ruling addressed a narrow issue: whether the law as written is an unconstitutional government promotion of religion. It is not, justices decided, leaving the door open to future legal challenges on other grounds.

"Religion plays a vital role in rehabilitation," said Derek Gaubatz, director of litigation for The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a religious liberty law firm that represents inmates.

Many states have contested the law on grounds that inmate requests could make it harder to manage prisons, and the court appeared concerned as well.

The law "does not elevate accommodation of religious observances over an institution's need to maintain order and safety," Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said from the bench in announcing the decision.

Ginsburg said judges who handle inmate cases should give deference to prison administrators.

"I think this was a net win for the prisons," said Marci Hamilton, a church-state scholar at Cardoza School of Law.

Douglas Cole, Ohio's solicitor, said that the ruling could inspire more inmate demands. However, he said, "we're encouraged that the court recognized that these inmate religious practices can pose significant safety concerns for prison administrators."

Tuesday's decision overturns a ruling by the Cincinnati-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which had struck down part of the law, called the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, on grounds it violated the separation of church and state.

Ohio will likely continue its challenge to the law, Cole said.

Elizabeth Cooke, a clinical law professor at Ohio State University who represented inmates in the court case, said they will press ahead with accommodation requests, including a five-point star for the witch, called a Wiccan, and hammer charms for prisoners who are members of Asatru and worship old Norse deities.

The racial separatist is an ordained minister of the Christian Identity Church.

"Inmates who practice non-mainstream religions have suffered," Cooke said.

The case is Cutter v. Wilkinson, 03-9877.
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Message 117077 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 2:25:47 UTC - in response to Message 116881.  
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Works out to be.....
Works out to be another misrepresentation..... but then, that's not unusual at all.

I have said that nothing from you is worth quoting, but this needs some attention:

I crunch Seti, ....someday I will use boinc software to do that..... in the meantime, I care not a whit what the self righteous consider as their exclusive domain.... or their justification to control who can post what here....

You DO NOT crunch for BOINC/SETI, you DO crunch for "Classic" SETI. Since you currently crunch for "Classic" SETI, you have earned the privilege to post you rhetoric in the "Classic" SETI fora. Since you have 0[zero] credits earned at BOINC/SETI, you have not earned the privilege to post you rhetoric here in these fora. IF you do not see the logic in that, then you are much less intelligent than I considered you were back in January when you posted all those BIG words that the rest of us needed a dictionary to figure out.

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Paul, going with your logic, what you're saying is that if you get a credit card for Sears, that entitles you to use that card at JC Penny's. Doesn't work....
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<p align="center">EARN THE PRIVILEGE TO POST IN THESE FORA! ! ! !</p>

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Message 117079 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 2:42:56 UTC - in response to Message 116901.  
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Nothing from you is worth quoting anymore....!!!!

Hey Paul, participate in BOINC/SETI and earn the PRIVILEGE to post in these fora!

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Message 117121 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 8:52:13 UTC - in response to Message 117072.  

You open up a bank account with $25.00. You need $279.95 to buy a new TV. Have you earned the privilege to withdraw $279.95 from the bank when you opened the account with only $25.00?

[font="fixedsys,courier"]Assuming 1% interest compunded monthly...
    <li>$25*1.01^(x/12)=$279.95</li><li>1.01^(x/12)=11.198</li><li>l11.198n/l1.01n=x/12 [/font][font="times"](log base 1.01)[/font]</li><li>[font="fixedsys,courier"]12*(l11.198n/l1.01n)=x</li><li>2913.352=x</li>

...which is roughly as long as it takes Pluto to complete one revolution.

It's a bad analogy, because credits don't accumulate interest.

This is not a flame, just pointing out facts, logic, and greed....
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Message 117134 - Posted: 1 Jun 2005, 9:56:39 UTC - in response to Message 117121.  
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You open up a bank account with $25.00. You need $279.95 to buy a new TV. Have you earned the privilege to withdraw $279.95 from the bank when you opened the account with only $25.00?

[font="fixedsys,courier"]Assuming 1% interest compunded monthly...
    <li>$25*1.01^(x/12)=$279.95</li><li>1.01^(x/12)=11.198</li><li>l11.198n/l1.01n=x/12 [/font][font="times"](log base 1.01)[/font]</li><li>[font="fixedsys,courier"]12*(l11.198n/l1.01n)=x</li><li>2913.352=x</li>

...which is roughly as long as it takes Pluto to complete one revolution.

It's a bad analogy, because credits don't accumulate interest.

This is not a flame, just pointing out facts, logic, and greed....
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WOW, you, my little ferengi, amazes me all the time! Except there must be a fault in the 279.95$! It should rather be 27.995$ or less (I didn't do the equation myself, I didn't bother!) on one year??? Your ferengi mind overdid it!

And, BTW, 25$ would be much too high an amount in this case, make it 1$ or even 0.1$! 11 cobblestones, come on! How slow a computer can produce 11 cobblestones??? Something from the 70's it must be!





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Message 117616 - Posted: 2 Jun 2005, 17:45:59 UTC - in response to Message 117134.  
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[font="fixedsys,courier"]Take it up with my TI.

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Message 117620 - Posted: 2 Jun 2005, 18:02:42 UTC


A federal judge has told the government it will have to release additional pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison....

Judge Alvin Hellerstein, finding the public has a right to see the pictures, told the government Thursday he will sign an order requiring it to release them ....


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The images, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress, depict "acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel, and inhuman." After Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) viewed some of them in a classified briefing, he testified that his "stomach gave out."

NBC News reported that they show "American soldiers beating one prisoner almost to death, apparently raping a female prisoner, acting inappropriately with a dead body, and taping Iraqi guards raping young boys."  Everyone who saw the photographs and videos seemed to shudder openly when contemplating what the reaction would be when they eventually were made public...

The overwhelming response, besides revulsion, was, in the words of Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner (R-Va.), that the pictures "should not be made public."

In the words of Donald Rumsfeld, "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse."

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Message 117792 - Posted: 2 Jun 2005, 23:18:42 UTC

[font='fixedsys,courier']In RE: Deep Throat [Washington Post].[/font]
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UNCLAS ALARACT 110/2005

SUBJECT: FIRST-TERM ENLISTED ATTRITION

1. REFERENCES:

A. MEMORANDUM, DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF, G-1, HQDA, 10 MARCH 2005, SUBJECT AS ABOVE.

B. AR 635-200 (ENLISTED ADMINISTRATIVE SEPARATIONS), PARAGRAPHS 1-1C, 1-16A, 1-19C, D, AND E.

2. ALL MACOMS WILL SEND A MESSAGE VIA E-MAIL TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS MESSAGE: XXX@HQDA.ARMY.MIL

3. WE ARE AN ARMY AT WAR AND INCREASING LEVELS OF ATTRITION OF FIRST-TERM ENLISTED SOLDIERS IN BOTH THE TRAINING BASE AND UNITS IS A MATTER OF GREAT CONCERN.  WE NEED YOUR CONCERTED EFFORT TO REVERSE THE RECENT NEGATIVE TREND IN FIRST-TERM ATTRITION.  BY REDUCING ATTRITION ONE PERCENT, THE ARMY CAN SAVE UP TO 3,000 INITIAL-TERM SOLDIERS THATS 3,000 MORE SOLDIERS IN OUR FORMATIONS.  EACH SOLDIER RETAINED REDUCES THE STRAIN ON RECRUITING COMMAND AND OUR RETENTION PROGRAM, WHICH MUST REPLACE EVERY SOLDIER WHO DEPARTS THE ARMY EARLY.

4. AS AN ADDITIONAL MEANS OF REDUCING ATTRITION, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY SEPARATION AUTHORITY FOR FIRST-TERM ENLISTED SOLDIERS IS ELEVATED FROM THE BATTALION COMMANDER TO THE SPECIAL COURT-MARTIAL CONVENING AUTHORITY (SPCMCA) FOR THE FOLLOWING SEPARATION CATEGORIES PRESCRIBED BY AR 635-200: FAILURE TO MEET PROCUREMENT MEDICAL FITNESS STANDARDS (PARAGRAPH 5-11); PREGNANCY (CHAPTER 8); ALCOHOL OR OTHER DRUG ABUSE REHABILITATION FAILURE (CHAPTER 9); ENTRY LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND CONDUCT (CHAPTER 11); UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE (CHAPTER 13); SELECTED CHANGES IN SERVICE OBLIGATIONS (CHAPTER 16, PARAGRAPHS 16-4 THRU 16-10); AND FAILURE TO MEET BODY FAT STANDARDS (CHAPTER 18).  WITHHOLDING OF SEPARATION AUTHORITY FROM BATTALION COMMANDERS, AND ELEVATING IT TO SPCMCA LEVEL, IS DIRECTED BY HQDA PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH 1-19E, AR 635-200.  SEPARATION AUTHORITY FOR CHAPTERS 5, 10, 14, AND 15 REMAIN AT THE SPCMA LEVEL.

5. THE FOREGOING DIRECTION APPLIES TO SEPARATION PROCEEDINGS IN PROGRESS OR PENDING INITIATION.  IT WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL AT LEAST 1 JUNE 2006, AT WHICH TIME IT WILL BE REVIEWED FOR CONTINUATION OR TERMINATION.

6. COMMANDERS AT ALL ECHELONS ARE ENJOINED TO REVIEW THE GUIDANCE ON COUNSELING, REHABILITATION, AND RETRAINING OF SOLDIERS PROMULGATED IN AR 635-200, PARAGRAPHS 1-1C AND 1-16A.

7. THIS MESSAGE WILL EXPIRE 1 JUNE 2006.
Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

In other words, .....Battalion Commanders can no longer give the boot to drug addicts, the unfit or other malcontents...... the numbers are too short to allow for any of these undesirable troops to be excluded.
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Pilot Training Time Slashed

Tight budgets are forcing the Air Force's combat squadrons to cut back their training hours by nearly 60 percent -- "leaving frontline units unprepared to go to war," according to Defense News.

"They're not cutting fat, they're cutting to the bone," Hornburg said, noting the Pentagon has taken large sums of money away from the Air Force to pay for the Army in Iraq.

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recruitment woes

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The Pentagon on Wednesday postponed by more than a week the release of military recruiting figures for May, as the Army and Marine Corps struggle to attract new troops amid the Iraq war.
The military services had routinely provided most recruiting statistics for a given month on the first business day of the next month.

Air Force Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said the May numbers for the active-duty and reserve components of the all-volunteer military will be released on June 10.

"Military recruiting is instrumental to our readiness and merits the earliest release of data. But at the same time, this information must be reasonably scrutinized and explained to the public, which deserves the fullest insight into military performance in this important area," Krenke said.


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UNCLAS ALARACT 110/2005

SUBJECT: FIRST-TERM ENLISTED ATTRITION

1. REFERENCES:

A. MEMORANDUM, DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF, G-1, HQDA, 10 MARCH 2005, SUBJECT AS ABOVE.

B. AR 635-200 (ENLISTED ADMINISTRATIVE SEPARATIONS), PARAGRAPHS 1-1C, 1-16A, 1-19C, D, AND E.

2. ALL MACOMS WILL SEND A MESSAGE VIA E-MAIL TO THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS MESSAGE: XXX@HQDA.ARMY.MIL

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