Is NASA hiding the "True Color" of Mars?

NASA’s pictures of the Gusev crater using the Mars Global Surveyor, and the more recent Odyssey mission using the Themis Camera reveal some interesting data. The images taken show a dark mass that at first glance seem to have characteristics that resemble some sort of planet life....

It's hard to believe but here it is.

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I don't understand your question....
About what....? Presence of aliens....?

PS: Pardon me if I lived in the Stone Age...

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Smart is nice, but smartass isn't .

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I was in the middle of editing my post when you replied.

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Sounds interesting.... I'm waiting....

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People also used to think there was a giant "face" on Mars made by aliens...

Did anyone notice that in the B/W pic there are 3 crators in a triangle pattern and in the color one the top crator of the 3 is missing? Crators do not erode in the timeframe that Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey have been around Marsunless there was VERY seveir activity in that area and even then that activity would have effected the "Green" area as well.
I'm not trying to debunk it ALex but I'm questioning it as any scientist should.
What would really be cool is to find that it came from one of our rovers. NASA admitted that the where afraid of contaminating Mars since they didn't sterilize the rovers as they used to. but I don't think this is the case

> Is NASA hiding the "True Color" of Mars?
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> NASA’s pictures of the Gusev crater using the Mars Global Surveyor, and the
> more recent Odyssey mission using the Themis Camera reveal some interesting
> data. The images taken show a dark mass that at first glance seem to have
> characteristics that resemble some sort of planet life....
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> It's hard to believe but <a> href="http://xfacts.com/gusev2004/gusev.html">here[/url] it is.

As for the right picture:

Quote ESA
(Note the green colouring is an effect of image processing)
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This quote comes from here.

The original picture from ESA is here +/- 1MB !!

> People also used to think there was a giant "face" on Mars made by aliens...
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Hmm, they still do Misfit. I found some interesting information on the Cydonia region here.

> Did anyone notice that in the B/W pic there are 3 crators in a triangle
> pattern and in the color one the top crator of the 3 is missing? Crators do
> not erode in the timeframe that Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey have been
> around Marsunless there was VERY seveir activity in that area and even then
> that activity would have effected the "Green" area as well.
> I'm not trying to debunk it ALex but I'm questioning it as any scientist
> should.
> What would really be cool is to find that it came from one of our rovers. NASA
> admitted that the where afraid of contaminating Mars since they didn't
> sterilize the rovers as they used to. but I don't think this is the case
>

Yes I just noticed that. Damn, thanks for pointing that out terrorhertz. Where is that crater? Although the resolution of the black and white NASA image is better, the ESA image is also of reasonably high resolution as well -- but no upper crater -- it's missing! Activity? That's interesting. But what kind of activity would cause the crater to just completely vanish?

Contamination at such a great area by one of the rovers would indeed be quite cool, since it would show that living organizms are able to grow on the thought-of sterile planet. But like you said, this probly isn't the case.

> As for the right picture:
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> This quote comes from <a> href="http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=34531">here[/url].
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> The original picture from ESA is <a>href="http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/gusev_3_ColorComplete.jpg">here[/url]
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Hi Thierry. Take a closer look at the far left middle part of that picture and you'll see a distinctive greenish coloration in the area.

> Hi Thierry. Take a closer look at the far left middle part of that picture and
> you'll see a distinctive greenish coloration in the area.

When looking to this B&W image (4 MB !) it appears to me that these are fingerprints of the so called "dust devils" like can be seen in these 2 pictures.

> > Hi Thierry. Take a closer look at the far left middle part of that
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> When looking to <a> href="http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/2004/01/03/2004.01.03.gusev25m.gif">this
> B&W image[/url] (4 MB !) it appears to me that these are fingerprints
> of the so called "dust devils" like can be seen in <a> href="http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/2004/01/05/">these 2
> pictures[/url].
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Sorry, but I made a mistake and could not edit it. I meant to say to take a closer look at the far right middle instead of the far left middle part of that picture. The distinctive green is there. And why are the "squiggly streaks" seemingly only in very specific areas? What about the missing crater that terrorhertz mentioned? That crater is quite large, yet it does not show at all in this photograph. [edit] Having looked at the area where the crater seems to be missing with less contrast, I've noticed a slight resemblance to a crater now. [/edit]

I have found more information about this NASA image tampering subject. Again, it's hard for me to believe, but this is from xfacts.com:

Investigation shows that there are several indications that NASA is tampering with the colors, and changes them from an Earth-like environment into a red inhospitable environment. But it seems that the young scientists at Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) are not convenient with this....

From Nasa: Hazy Martian Skies
This image mosaic taken by the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit's panoramic camera shows the hills southeast of Spirit's landing site. Like a smoggy day in Los Angeles, dusty martian skies limit how much detail can be seen. This lack in visibility is demonstrated by comparing hills on the left to those on the right, located nearly two times farther away. The left panel of this image was captured in the late morning martian hours, looking toward the Sun. The right image was taken in the early afternoon, when the Sun was higher and the skies appeared darker. Compare this with this.

Read and see more about this alleged tampering here.

The thing I always wonder about such things is "why". If it's true, what does NASA or the US Government gain from altering this data? Finding evidence of microbial life doesn't seem to threaten anyone with a "Conquistador" effect.

> The thing I always wonder about such things is "why". If it's true, what does
> NASA or the US Government gain from altering this data? Finding evidence of
> microbial life doesn't seem to threaten anyone with a "Conquistador" effect.
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I just don't know why Murasaki. An answer for a question like that, if it were true, would be monumental I think. I'm still looking for as much information as I can find on this thing.

The word tampered is a bullshit indicator to me. ALL the images are "tampered" with, they are ALL "processed" from raw data. The processing reveals different features and different things and depending on what you want to see, you might process them differently.

You can download the .raw image files from JPL's website and use Photoshop to highlight a lot of different things if you like. I think if there were a "conspiracy" to hide something, the raw image files would not be available.

Additionally, NASA uses false color and enhanced images all the time, we all know this. Why is this suddenly different and sinister? It's not.

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> The thing I always wonder about such things is "why". If it's true, what does
> NASA or the US Government gain from altering this data? Finding evidence of
> microbial life doesn't seem to threaten anyone with a "Conquistador" effect.

In fact if NASA could find evidence of that they could use that to their advantage and ask Congress for a huge budget increase so they could follow up on it.

> The word tampered is a bullshit indicator to me. ALL the images are
> "tampered" with, they are ALL "processed" from raw data. The processing
> reveals different features and different things and depending on what you want
> to see, you might process them differently.
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> You can download the .raw image files from JPL's website and use Photoshop to
> highlight a lot of different things if you like. I think if there were a
> "conspiracy" to hide something, the raw image files would not be available.
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> Additionally, NASA uses false color and enhanced images all the time, we all
> know this. Why is this suddenly different and sinister? It's not.
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I think it would be nice to know just what exactly the true actual color from the original negetive/original image would really be. I mean, there must be an actual true color result formula. I'm looking for more information about the process that the devoloper of the so-called "true color" picture used exactly.