My guess is that shortly after classic is shutdown and people are switched over that WE(the Boinc users, AKA the collective, the super computer we make up)will be able to supply Seti with all they can pass out. Maybe shortly after (as the number of users grow, and the increased speed of tech over time) that we'll handle all that the other projects can toss at us. Will Boinc itself then become a much more valuable resource than any of it's individual projects?

I must try to remember that I'm here for them, and not they for me.

tony

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> I must try to remember that I'm here for them, and not they for me.
>
I think one thing that sometimes gets lost in the press of events is that Seti classic became more than I think the 'owners' expected -- with a much larger user population and something of a 'culture' about it.

BOINC is in some ways a different beastie -- the user population is smaller but 'fresher' and the culture of this user population probably is different in some ways then Seti classic.

Over in the classic boards, the chatter about BOINC includes a fair amount of negativity (often along the lines of 'what have they done to my SETI').

The thing is, the 'culture' of BOINC/Seti incorporates some 'reaction' to that response in the classic world -- sometimes along the lines of a NPR versus commercial radio sort of view.

Something to ponder anyway.

Barry Schnur

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> > I must try to remember that I'm here for them, and not they for me.
> >
> I think one thing that sometimes gets lost in the press of events is that Seti
> classic became more than I think the 'owners' expected -- with a much larger
> user population and something of a 'culture' about it.
>
> BOINC is in some ways a different beastie -- the user population is smaller
> but 'fresher' and the culture of this user population probably is different in
> some ways then Seti classic.
>
> Over in the classic boards, the chatter about BOINC includes a fair amount of
> negativity (often along the lines of 'what have they done to my SETI').
>
> The thing is, the 'culture' of BOINC/Seti incorporates some 'reaction' to that
> response in the classic world -- sometimes along the lines of a NPR versus
> commercial radio sort of view.
>
> Something to ponder anyway.
>
> Barry Schnur
>
>

Definitely a point, but as with everything...times do change. Seti Classic was a very innovative idea, but it's 5 years old. BOINC is the next step, and it needs to happen whether the "culture" approves or not.

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> Definitely a point, but as with everything...times do change. Seti Classic
> was a very innovative idea, but it's 5 years old. BOINC is the next step, and
> it needs to happen whether the "culture" approves or not.
>

I understand -- but then again, there are folks running SETI on Pentium I and AMD K6's -- and Windows 98.

Sometimes new uber alles doesn't work as the *only* philosophy.

Again, I am NOT railing against BOINC -- after all, I run my stuff on P4's, XPS's and 64bit CPU's -- so change is definitely useful...

Barry Schnur

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> > Definitely a point, but as with everything...times do change. Seti
> Classic
> > was a very innovative idea, but it's 5 years old. BOINC is the next
> step, and
> > it needs to happen whether the "culture" approves or not.
> >
>
> I understand -- but then again, there are folks running SETI on Pentium I and
> AMD K6's -- and Windows 98.
>
> Sometimes new uber alles doesn't work as the *only* philosophy.
>
> Again, I am NOT railing against BOINC -- after all, I run my stuff on P4's,
> XPS's and 64bit CPU's -- so change is definitely useful...
>
> Barry Schnur
>

We'll just have to batten down these forums a few months from now, in anticipation of the flood of hate posts. :)

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> We'll just have to batten down these forums a few months from now, in
> anticipation of the flood of hate posts. :)

I don't know that there will be a flood -- though there will be some. I guess my concern is that folks who are doing 'enjoyable contribution' of CPU cycles for SETI classic will be put off enough by SETI BOINC (regardless of the view of 'new is superior' or other vantage points) simply to bail out of the collective sharing of the resource.

Again, I'm not railing at SETI BOINC -- I suspect this spring with the closing of SETI classic I will willingly make the jump myself with the set of CPU's I have to bring to the BOINC party.

Just raising the question in the context of 'what is the goal' and how best to achieve it.

Barry Schnur

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> > according to setisynergy.com the total numbers of Boinc users is 72,589
> as of
> > 19 hours ago.
> >
> So, if my guess is right, then 4x72,589=290,356 users is 100% load. That
> means the server can accept up to 217,767 new/classic transferred users.
>
UMMMM...not exactly, but close. Remember the guy who started this whole thread said he had created a Boinc account but never used it. There are probably more like him.

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> UMMMM...not exactly, but close. Remember the guy who started this whole thread
> said he had created a Boinc account but never used it. There are probably more
> like him.
>

Not quite never used it, I have a credit of about 90 or so -- so close.

I set it up on a couple of systems many beta iterations ago.

I suspect that at some point in the next month or so, I will start moving over some systems to the BOINC stuff -- after doing some looking around as to how best to handle whatever iteration of the BOINC client is current then.

Barry Schnur

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> UMMMM...not exactly, but close. Remember the guy who started this whole thread
> said he had created a Boinc account but never used it. There are probably more
> like him.
>
Close indeed, Matt said we're currently doing 250K/day and Setis' goal (for this equipment) is 1000K. so using these numbers 4X250K=1000K. means 4 times the current work. If the number of workers is actually less than the 72K reported by SetiSynergy, then the total of new users would go down accordingly.

thanks

tony

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> What happens if user interest is so high that there is a greater demand than
> one million results a day? Maybe we'll generate more, but remember the real
> beauty of BOINC (and one of the reasons it was created) - you can crunch on
> other projects if any particular project is temporarily out of work.
>
> - Matt
>
Might I be so bold as to suggest that the new users be limited in their cache size until they understand the way the system works. With say 100,000 users each asking for 10 days of work on each of who knows how many computers, the units that need to be available could be a whole lot more than a million.
I know that now users are limnited to a max of 10 days per computer, but some of use have farms..if we all cranked up that cache to the full 10 days worth you would be out of units in no time!
Maybe even lower us "always on" people to fewer days than the dial-up users. You should be able to figure out from how often the units are returned by each of us, some guidelines.

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> > Definitely a point, but as with everything...times do change. Seti
> Classic
> > was a very innovative idea, but it's 5 years old. BOINC is the next
> step, and
> > it needs to happen whether the "culture" approves or not.
> >
>
> I understand -- but then again, there are folks running SETI on Pentium I and
> AMD K6's -- and Windows 98.
>
> Sometimes new uber alles doesn't work as the *only* philosophy.
>
> Again, I am NOT railing against BOINC -- after all, I run my stuff on P4's,
> XPS's and 64bit CPU's -- so change is definitely useful...
>
> Barry Schnur
>
BOINC S@H runs just fine on a Pentium 166 with 128MB of RAM. (I wish that the requirement would be lowered to 63MB from 64MB, that would fix my Pentium 200 with 64MB of RAM).

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> BOINC S@H runs just fine on a Pentium 166 with 128MB of RAM.

And it runs fine on my dual P100. :)

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> BOINC S@H runs just fine on a Pentium 166 with 128MB of RAM. (I wish that the
> requirement would be lowered to 63MB from 64MB, that would fix my Pentium 200
> with 64MB of RAM).


Which makes sense -- I was responding less to the 'it runs on old hardware' thought to the 'Seti Classic is old -- therefore less good, SetiBoinc is new -- therefore more good' thought.

For a lot of folks the 'BOINC good, Seti-Classic old' thinking is probably quite appropriate. I'd submit it isn't universal.

Just as there are folks in the Classic world who view BOINC as 'evil' -- and I don't agree with them either. I prefer a more open minded approach to things.

Barry Schnur

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If seti classic ends ill have a few small problems, Like the old Alpha running NT 4.0 ive got classic on, and many other people out there with Alphas running windows NT, ive seen them in stats so I know they are out there.

Unless they get Boinc to work on NTAlpha, and do the 63 meg ram thing seti wont be able to run on my machine, and perhaps many others. Hopefuly when this happens some people will compile boinc for nt alpha.

Ive also got seti on such machines as my quad ppro on such. but boinc is fine, just cant run it on anywhere near as many platforms as classic yet.

BTW: I do now have boinc on the quad ppro, but it was like pulling teeth to get it to work.
First trying to install 4.19 it would lock up at various points in the install before even copying files, 4.21 would crash and give errors from the very start then 4.62 would install fine, but then the boinc manager would crash out under any load. at first i didnt realize the seti app kept going, once I realized that, copyied the boinc 4.19 files from another machine and mixed them into the 4.62's download of seti and xml files, now it runs perfectly.

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> > BOINC S@H runs just fine on a Pentium 166 with 128MB of RAM. (I wish
> that the
> > requirement would be lowered to 63MB from 64MB, that would fix my Pentium
> 200
> > with 64MB of RAM).
>
>
> Which makes sense --
>
The number was picked because of the need to be compatable with everyone, seems the graphics if shown take up a ton of memory. I THINK that 63meg is enough but that is why it is as high as it is.
I believe that the client should be smart enough to recognize that you don't have enough memory to show the graphics and give an error message saying so, instead of having hard limit. The client should run in just a few meg all by itself, mine is running on a WinXP Pro and uses 6,844K and 17,416K for the 2 processes.
I DO have other machines but I am sitting at this one so it is easiest to check.

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> Unless they get Boinc to work on NTAlpha, and do the 63 meg ram thing seti
> wont be able to run on my machine, and perhaps many others. Hopefuly when this
> happens some people will compile boinc for nt alpha.
>
The 64 meg limit supposedly does not exist for Linux machines. I do not have one so can't say for sure, but I do seem to remember reading that.
Maybe you could put in a Knoppix CD and still run Boinc from that.

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> > BOINC S@H runs just fine on a Pentium 166 with 128MB of RAM.
>
> And it runs fine on my dual P100. :)
>
>
>

Runs fine on my Pentium 75 with 72mb RAM. :)

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>
> Runs fine on my Pentium 75 with 72mb RAM. :)
>

Wow! 684,000 seconds for a WU. That's the best I've seen so far :o)

Regards Hans

P.S:

My Alphastation only gets 255,000 :-P

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> >
> > Runs fine on my Pentium 75 with 72mb RAM. :)
> >
>
> Wow! 684,000 seconds for a WU. That's the best I've seen so far :o)
>
> Regards Hans
>
> P.S:
>
> My Alphastation only gets 255,000 :-P
>
>

I wonder if I hold some kind of record. Too bad I can't put SetiBOINC on my old 386SX-2 16mhz. Took 3 YEARS to do a SetiClassic workunit. Dropped that time to just under one year by adding a co-processor. :)

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