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Message 2092008 - Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 8:43:56 UTC

While climate change skeptics continue their denials Ocean Temperatures Just Smashed a New Record For The Sixth Year in a Row.
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Message 2093355 - Posted: 1 Feb 2022, 21:24:35 UTC

There'll be the deniers.

Majority of the ocean surface has seen marine heat since 2014.

More than half of the surface of the world's oceans have experienced excessively warm temperatures since 2014 — with extreme marine heat now the 'new normal'.

This is the warning of researchers from the Monterey Bay Aquarium, who analysed a century-and-a-half's worth of global marine temperature data.

Extreme marine temperatures can lead to the collapse of crucial marine ecosystems like coral reefs, kelp forest and seagrass meadows, the team said.

The findings, they added, are further evidence for the urgent need to reduce climate-changing greenhouse emissions from the burning of fossil fuels....
But facts are facts.
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Message 2093366 - Posted: 1 Feb 2022, 23:08:46 UTC

But facts are facts


HEAT RISES

Bottom of Oceans are ABOVE 'Crust'.

Core of Earth is a HOT BALL of FIRE.

RISING

From Center to Crust to Bottom of Ocean Through Ocean UP TO SURFACE.

And From There........

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Message 2093408 - Posted: 2 Feb 2022, 18:04:59 UTC - in response to Message 2093366.  

Sorry, but much, if not all the deep oceans are very cold, indeed not much above freezing point.
There's a strange, and little known or understood feature of the oceans called the thermocline (I think that how it's spelled). A layer where the temperature inverts from the "high" surface temperature to the low deep ocean temperature.
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Message 2093415 - Posted: 2 Feb 2022, 19:32:23 UTC

Sorry, but much, if not all the deep oceans are very cold, indeed not much above freezing point.


TEMPRATURE and HEAT are NOT dA Same Thing.

Is it Called ARTIC Ocean or ARTIC Ice Cube?

Is it Called ANTARTIC Ocean or ANTARTIC Ice Cube?

HEAT RISES.

Where Does It Go?

UP

Does it 'MIX'?

ADD HEAT to Anything. Will Temperature Go UP or Down?

When GOREBal Warmists Spake, They FREAK with a Half Degree and Really FREAK at a Degree or More.

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Message 2093665 - Posted: 7 Feb 2022, 10:34:21 UTC

Why does this not surprise me?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-60245980

To anyone with a modicum of common sense building a load of new houses a fair distance from infrastructure like shops, schools, and even bus stops is going to make people more reliant on cars. Near where I live I can think of several such developments where the only way to get to a shop is to either get on one's bike, which is OK if you don't have a couple of young children to tend, and one needs to do even a moderate sized shop; or use a car, or rely on on-line shopping, which is great if you can get a delivery slot, and ***p if you need something urgently. At the same time there are a few brown field sites that have been sitting around for a good few years with no prospect of them being developed for housing, not because of ground pollution (plenty of that around here being an old mining area) but because the land owner is "waiting for the right moment"....
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Message 2093667 - Posted: 7 Feb 2022, 11:05:52 UTC - in response to Message 2093665.  

On my daily walk to the newspaper shop, I pass a muddy hillside which has been zoned for housing, The fields are on the fringe of a market town, with good transport links (both buses and trains). But the site plans don't provide any links between the new estate and the older town. Instead, all the estate roads will exit at the end furthest away from the town, requiring a new two-lane swing bridge across the Leeds-Liverpool (broad) canal. Guess what transport mode the new commuters will be expected to use!

I'm not sure exactly what stage the plans have reached. The local planners threw them out, but I think that national government 'called them in' (as we call it in the UK), and over-ruled the local decision. Some initial works have been completed (some serious underground electricity supply cables), but nothing after they went in. Meanwhile, the canal authority is currently refurbishing the old, inadequate, swing bridge with new control gear and automatic barriers. The contract team didn't seem to be aware of the plans to demolish the whole bridge environment and re-align it for the proposed development.

Joined-up thinking? I think not.
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Message 2094152 - Posted: 15 Feb 2022, 2:24:37 UTC

Climate-boosted drought in western US worst in 1,200 years.

The megadrought that has parched southwestern United States and parts of Mexico over the last two decades is the worst to hit the region in at least 1,200 years, researchers said Monday.

Human-caused global heating accounts for more than 40 percent of the dry spell's intensity, they reported in the journal Nature Climate Change.

"The turn-of-the-21st-century drought would not be on a megadrought trajectory without anthropogenic climate change," lead author Park Williams, an associate professor at the University of California in Los Angeles, and colleagues wrote.

Over the last decade, California and other western states have experienced severe water shortages, triggering periodic restrictions on water usage and forcing some communities to import bottled water for drinking.

Occasional heavy snow or rainfall have not been enough to compensate.

2021 was especially dry. As of February 10, 95 percent of western US had drought conditions, according to the US government's Drought Monitor.

Last summer, two of North America's largest reservoirs -- Lake Mead and Lake Powell -- reached their lowest recorded level in more than a century.

The odds are high that the current dry spell will continue for at least a couple of years, probably longer, according to the findings.

Running simulations based on soil moisture records stretching back 1,200 years, the researchers calculated a 94 percent chance that the drought would extend through 2022.

There's a three-in-four chance it will run until the end of decade....
Even fronted by this evidence the deniers will keep on denying because sadly they don't know any better. :-(
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Message 2094158 - Posted: 15 Feb 2022, 3:49:04 UTC

What Did People Do 1200 Years Ago to Make It As Dry as Today? NO Industrial Revolution. No HUGE Population. What Did HuWoManity Do?

I've Lived in Kali and Have Driven Through da WEST and It's Been Quite Dry Before HuWoManKindS 'INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION' and Population Increases.

HuWoManity HAS NOT Dried Out da WEST.

Earth's Natural Climate Cycles do a Nice Job of DRYING And WETTING

Again. 1200 Years Ago. As DRY.

What Did It?

HUMAN MADE Climate Change?

Dats a BIG NOPE.

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Message 2094201 - Posted: 15 Feb 2022, 21:44:02 UTC
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Antarctica Is Heating Up and These Plants Are Absolutely Thriving.

Some cute little plants in Antarctica are flourishing in warmer temperatures—an ominous sign for rest of the continent and the world. A study published Monday in Current Biology finds that the continent’s only flowering plants have been growing rapidly in the past decade, thanks to warmer temperatures.

“Antarctica is acting as a canary in a coal mine,” Nicoletta Cannone, the study’s lead author and an associate professor of ecology at Italy’s University of Insubria, wrote in an email.

Antarctica’s harsh landscape means that plants are few and far between, and only two are able to flower. The study looked at the spread of these two unicorns, Deschampsia antarctica, a type of grass, and Colobanthus quitensis, which sprouts tiny yellow flowers, between 2009 and 2018. These plants, Cannone said, “have a well-adapted metabolism to the harsh Antarctic climate: they are able to photosynthesize at temperatures below zero and covered by snow and can restart their growth at the end of the long Antarctic winter.”

While the plants live across parts of the Antarctic islands and some of the peninsula, Cannone and her team concentrated their observations of the plants on Signy Island, in the South Orkney Islands range, because of a robust historical dataset related to the plants’ growth. The scientists then compared the growth rate over this nine-year period to previous surveys of growth taken since the early 1960s....
I wonder how long it'll take before Antarctica goes tropical again? That will mean that a lot more dry land will go underwater (Australia will get its inland sea back).

And then there's.

US could see a century's worth of sea rise in just 30 years.
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Message 2094208 - Posted: 15 Feb 2022, 22:47:38 UTC

Same As It Ever Was.

With Humans or Without Humans.

Same Same.

Grow Little Flower Grow.

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Message 2094373 - Posted: 17 Feb 2022, 22:31:32 UTC

Countries such as Uganda and Samoa have been plagued with plastic pollution caused by Coca-Cola’s failure to commit to reduce plastic waste.

Soft drink giant Coca-Cola is being blamed for the plastic pollution plaguing entire countries in a new documentary.

Panorama: Coca-Cola’s 100 Billion Bottle Problem, available to stream on Flash, found Uganda and Samoa were some of the countries hit the hardest by plastic pollution.

Statistics from the Global Livingston Institute, reported by the documentary, indicate just 6 per cent of plastic waste is collected for recycling in Uganda.....
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Message 2096185 - Posted: 21 Mar 2022, 1:30:52 UTC

Some might want to check up on their floaties and lilos.

Scientists stunned by ‘unthinkable’ temperature surge in Arctic, Antarctica.

An alarming heatwave is taking place simultaneously in the Arctic and Antarctic – a development described as “unthinkable” by scientists.

Records have been shattered in parts of Antarctica, with the temperature more than 40C warmer than average. Meanwhile in parts of the Arctic, the mercury shot up more than 30C higher than normal....
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Message 2096206 - Posted: 21 Mar 2022, 11:46:45 UTC - in response to Message 2094152.  

So what happened then to make a worse drought back then ?? or do we finally realize that "climate" changes due to chaotic events and cycles of our sun.
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Message 2096217 - Posted: 21 Mar 2022, 17:38:10 UTC - in response to Message 2096206.  
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So what happened then to make a worse drought back then ?? or do we finally realize that "climate" changes due to chaotic events and cycles of our sun.

What? And very conveniently ignore the man-made effects of dumping CO2 and other pollution into our very finite atmosphere?...

How convenient?


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Message 2096439 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 11:49:37 UTC - in response to Message 2096406.  
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And just what makes you think that CO-2 is a "Greenhouse" gas at less than .04% of our atmosphere; thats .0004 or 4 ten thousandths for anyone who is math challenged. It hardly qualifies as a "trace" gas. Frankly, more C0-2 is good for plants and agriculture; we farmers (I was once) and gardeners like the green plants to have plenty to breathe and return oxygen for the rest of us idiots to breathe.
Yes, we should plant more trees and build nuclear power plants. Lets not destroy our civilization with false religions. Do you also want to defecate little wrapped candies ?

What's that you say ? we are warming- --we warmed up right after the United States was covered a mile thick in ice all the way down to Southern Illinois.
If we are warming, I would worry about the Sun's output, water vapor (AKA Clouds) , and heat produced by 1,500,000,000 cars and 25,000 air liners of which 5000 are over the United states at any one time.

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Message 2096443 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 13:37:44 UTC - in response to Message 2096217.  

For the record for the Chicken Little set:

If you add up all of man's CO2-producing activities — all of our combustion and brewing and baking, all of our Weber kettles and weed whackers and Mosquito Magnets, plus all of our ranting, raving, and fulminating — we generate only about 1/30th of Mother Nature's output. Decay is her big thing. She invented the compost pile. When formerly living organisms die and decompose, they give off CO2.


Rebuttals welcome. Facts only please --only clever ad hominems allowed.
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Message 2096446 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 15:24:42 UTC - in response to Message 2096443.  
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We can literally, physically, 'smell' the change in CO2...

Please don't let hard physical real world facts get in the way of conspiracies and "Gee, Thelma, it just can't be so?!":


How do we know that recent CO2 increases are due to human activities?

Note that the article is from 2004. However, other than the concentration of CO2 having scarily increased significantly further since then, the article is still completely applicable.


Note also that we have known about the normally beneficial warming effect of CO2 for a very long time:

Climate Change / Global Warming Discovery
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In the 1820s, Joseph Fourier proposed the greenhouse effect to explain why Earth's temperature was higher than the sun's energy alone could explain. Earth's atmosphere is transparent to sunlight, so sunlight reaches the surface where it is converted to heat. However, the atmosphere is not transparent to heat radiating from the surface, and captures some of that heat which warms the planet. In 1856 Eunice Newton Foote demonstrated that the warming effect of the sun is greater for air with water vapour than for dry air, and the effect is even greater with carbon dioxide...


And too much of a good thing is warming us all too much into a lot of costly disruption... For some people, deadly disruption.


All rather too inconvenient...

However, we could yet do something positive about that...


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Message 2096447 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 15:31:23 UTC

Meanwhile, for another deadly inconvenience to burning oil and gas:



Ogoni nine: Nigerian widows lose case against oil giant Shell
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A group of Nigerian widows have lost their case after suing the oil giant Shell over the deaths of their husbands in the 1990s. The men were executed by the Nigerian government following peaceful protests against pollution caused by oil leaks in the Niger Delta. But their wives had accused the company of being complicit in their deaths...

... In a 2009 settlement, Shell paid $15.5 million to one group of activists' families, including the Saro-Wiwa estate, in the United States. But again, the oil and gas conglomerate denied responsibility.

This is one of a series of environmental lawsuits brought against the global energy firm.

After a 13-year legal battle, in 2021 the same Dutch court ordered Shell to compensate Nigerian farmers for spills that contaminated swathes of farmland and fishing waters in the Niger Delta. The company agreed to pay more than a hundred million dollars...

... Both women vowed to continue to fight the Ogoni people's battle against oil pollution.

They will be studying the judgment before deciding whether to appeal.



A deadly dirty business...

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Message 2096472 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 23:18:47 UTC - in response to Message 2096447.  

Martin Luther what do you burn in your car --peanut oil ?
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