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Message 2087263 - Posted: 1 Nov 2021, 22:02:51 UTC
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Here is a brave attempt against the continued denial:


Avaaz - Sign the emergency appeal for climate action!
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To world leaders:

"Betrayal."

That's how young people around the world are describing our governments' failure to cut carbon emissions. And it's no surprise.

We are catastrophically far from the crucial goal of 1.5°C, and yet governments everywhere are still accelerating the crisis, spending billions on fossil fuels...


... We can still do this. There is still time to avoid the worst consequences if we are prepared to change. It will take determined, visionary leadership. And it will take immense courage -- but know that when you rise, billions will be right behind you.

Sincerely,

Greta from Sweden, Vanessa from Uganda, Dominika from Poland, and Mitzi from the Philippines

Add your say to sway the Glasgow collection of world leaders...



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Message 2087266 - Posted: 1 Nov 2021, 22:16:32 UTC

We're only here for the photoshoot
London to Glasgow = 7 hours (4 in car so 2x30m pitstops = 8 hours min)

Print a burger
With the West's love of fast food, that's going to need lot of printers. Hmm...wait a minute...
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Message 2087270 - Posted: 1 Nov 2021, 22:28:19 UTC

I look to Carboniferous Period of 60 Million Years and Its MEGA Flora and MEGA Fauna.

Climate Change Events during this period.

And Not One Human.

Earth then was Packed with Life.

No Humans

Yet Many Climate Change Events

I Vociferously DENY Human Caused Climate Change

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Message 2087291 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 1:51:45 UTC
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Deny this?...

CLIMATE GAMES!


Glaciers Are Disappearing Almost As Fast As You Can Ski Down Them | Climate Games
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How badly is our planet heating up? I’ve put together an experiment that asks: How much of an olympic-sized swimming pool would be filled with glacial meltwater in the time it takes to ski down a glacier? Helping me - by actually skiing down a glacier - is JT Holmes. And you won’t believe the final answer...



Ouch!!

And not only for the skiing and bloody nose!

(And I've never before seen the physics loving presenter so sombre...)


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Message 2087297 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 3:56:22 UTC

Snowball Earth and SlushBall Earth had

NO HUMANs

Human Made Climate CHANGE DENIED!!!!!

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Message 2087309 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 9:57:25 UTC

Her office told the Times of Israel she waited outside the venue in Glasgow for two hours, and she was eventually forced to return to her hotel in the Scottish capital Edinburgh 80km (50 miles) away.
Hmm...
...shortage of hotels in Glasgow?
As for the source, it's just a case of 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other.
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Message 2087319 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 12:37:15 UTC - in response to Message 2086641.  
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Though I am reluctant to present facts in front of true believers:

The energy output from the Sun has increased significantly during the 20th century, according to a new study.
https://www.space.com/2942-sun-activity-increased-century-study-confirms.html


ACS Climate Science Toolkit | Narratives
Remark: “The Earth has certainly been warming since we have added so much CO2 to the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning.”
Reply: “Forget the CO2. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas. It controls the Earth’s temperature.”

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/climatesciencenarratives/its-water-vapor-not-the-co2.html

Clouds are water vapor and anyone who has a swimming pool can attest to the effects of cloud cover vs a clear night sky. It made at least a 1 degree difference in temperature drop overnight in my backyard pool.

So can we have a civil discussion based on facts rather than assertions.

By the way what are you paying per Kilowatt-hour there in the Northwest. TVA here was burning mostly gas but now the price has gone up for gas: still at around 10 cents per Kwh here in Tennessee.
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Message 2087321 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 13:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 2087319.  

My base rate is 8 cents and it goes up to 11 cents if I use excessive amounts.
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Message 2087324 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 14:16:52 UTC - in response to Message 2087321.  
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Fabulous--very hard to believe.

Here is what I find--if wind and solar are heavily used --are they subsidized ?


Seattle area households paid an average of 11.7 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh) of electricity in September 2021, compared to the 11.4 cents per kWh paid in September 2020. The average cost of utility (piped) gas at $1.187 per therm in September was more than the $1.089 per therm spent last year.Oct 19, 2021.

This is much less than I would have guessed.
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Message 2087328 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 17:04:19 UTC - in response to Message 2087319.  
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And the denial (or confusion or confabulation) is?...

Note from that very same ACS article:

... The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. ... Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables...


That nicely describes the positive forcing and feedback loop that we see happening, now, that is caused by the ever increasing pollution from burning fossil fuels.

For a down-to-earth analogy, the CO2 is your heavy foot on the gas pedal, and the water vapor in the air is the size of your vehicle engine heating up the world.


Similarly, if we reduce the level of CO2 (and methane) down to the levels seen 200 years ago, then we will oncemore get the more benign and pleasant and more profitable weather as seen all those years ago.

How can that not be a better scenario than ever more deadly extremes?


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Message 2087331 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 17:25:12 UTC - in response to Message 2087319.  

About half way through the space.com article there is this little gem:
The rise in solar activity at the beginning of the last century through the 1950s or so matches with the increase in global temperatures, Usoskin said. But the link doesn't hold up from about the 1970s to present.

So we have a rise in solar activity (however Usoskin defined it) up to about 1950, but then it stabilises or decreases, but global mean temperatures have continued to rise. Not exactly a "good" correlation, especially when one looks the whole data, the rise in solar activity appears to have started about 1900, over half a century after the start of the current rise in global temperature.
Me thinks we have a journalist looking for a headline so they can get their next pay cheque, not a scientist showing some real facts.
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Message 2087354 - Posted: 2 Nov 2021, 22:34:57 UTC

Increased Output from SUN since..................

No Humans On or In? Sun.

Human Made; Human Influenced; Human Wished For; Human MADE UP Climate Change: DENIED

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Message 2087372 - Posted: 3 Nov 2021, 6:40:24 UTC

Oh you are a really bright spark in the multi-verse. :-D
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Message 2087388 - Posted: 3 Nov 2021, 16:26:57 UTC
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You gotta love the irony.
Glasgow International Airport is approx. 9.9 miles from Glasgow City Centre.
Also Glasgow has some amazing 5 star hotels.
Yet we get this: Edinburgh to COP26 - 50 miles...
...and this...


& this is just's Biden's entourage. :-(
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Message 2087397 - Posted: 3 Nov 2021, 20:08:25 UTC

Four Billion Years Earth has had Climate Change. Much of It MAJOR.

Humans Time on Earth Like One Dust Speck on a Computer Screen.

IOWs, 'bout NON-EXISTENT. And as Effectual to Not Seeing dA BS on it.

Again. Human Made Climate Change - DENIED

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Message 2087419 - Posted: 4 Nov 2021, 2:46:58 UTC

What Person on Earth - Right this Very Moment - is Being Harmed by Climate Change?

NOT ONE PERSON

What Person on Earth - Right This Very Moment - Is Being Harmed by Something Other than Climate Change?

So Many it is NOT KNOWN 'cept by Person Being Harmed. And These People are NOT BLAMING or Thinking 'bout
Climate Change as their Personage is Suffering or Worse from Something Harmful and Deadly NOT CLIMATE CHANGE.

Again. Man Made Climate Change - DENIED

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Message 2087425 - Posted: 4 Nov 2021, 5:25:13 UTC - in response to Message 2087419.  

The coast of Lousiana for one but bacon will help you see.
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Message 2087430 - Posted: 4 Nov 2021, 7:39:58 UTC - in response to Message 2087419.  

What Person on Earth - Right this Very Moment - is Being Harmed by Climate Change?

NOT ONE PERSON

What Person on Earth - Right This Very Moment - Is Being Harmed by Something Other than Climate Change?
You may want to ask the people living in these places those questions.
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Message 2087441 - Posted: 4 Nov 2021, 15:35:42 UTC

Yet again, see climate B/S.
Whether or not it is real or not is not the question.
Do those sitting in their "nice comfy & warm" offices really have more than 2 braincells between them?


So let's label up.
A=Washing machine.
B=Fridge freezer.
C=Tumble dryer.

A & C, lovely jubbly.
Now B - Really?
Cost difference = 1,058
Energy difference= 814

Hmm...
...maybe insulate Britain can "force" the government(taxpayers) to pay the extra 244?
No need for the currency symbol, after all, numbers are numbers right?
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Message 2087453 - Posted: 4 Nov 2021, 19:19:21 UTC

Weather as Exists Today and Much Worse has been Battering All Places on Earth for
Billions and Billions of Years.

And There Was NO HuWoManKind on Earth. NONE ZERO ZIP

Again. Human Made; Influenced; Hoped For; Dreamed About; is DENIED

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