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Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 1387 Credit: 2,098,506 RAC: 5 |
A very good, fairly long article in Science Magazine, linked below, on how and why Arecibo fell, and what, if anything, might be built in its place. To summarize: Several factors probably lead to the collapse, including poor workmanship in attaching support cables to their sockets. Narrow load safety factors in the cabling -- only about 1/3 of that in a somewhat comparable structure like a suspension bridge. The increased weight of the added-on Gregorian dome and antennas. The proposed replacement is interesting -- a multitude of 9-meter dishes, fixed to a rigid platform extended across the depression in which the original dish sat. The entire structure would tilt to allow a greater part of the sky to be observed, than before. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/how-famed-arecibo-telescope-fell-and-how-it-might-rise-again |
johnnymc Send message Joined: 5 May 99 Posts: 36 Credit: 9,138,623 RAC: 0 |
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/how-famed-arecibo-telescope-fell-and-how-it-might-rise-again This just blew my mind. I had to idea the amount of damage caused. ~ Life's short; make fun of it. User ID: 39750; SETI@home member since: 5 May 1999; Classic workunits: 5,851; Classic CPU time: 108,169 hours |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22526 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
A good find there John. Quite an eye opening read, some I already knew, but quite a bit of stuff new to me. It certainly strikes me that there were a number of corners cut at just about every sage along the dish's life between construction and the middle of 2020. It certainly underlines all the difficulties that were being faced in the months leading up to the final failure, not the least of which was the rate of strand failure - I've not done the sums, but a strand failing just about every day for the last year is a lot of residual strength being eroded; to such an extent that there was probably only a maximum life expectancy of of a couple of years the main cables. That suggestion for a massive flat plate reflector is certainly in the spirit of the old dish - big and a step into the unknown, but using existing technologies scaled up to the nth degree. I'd love to see that idea being developed a bit further to get some idea of the mass and forces required. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
On August 14 2018 the Morandi bridge in Genoa failed with the loss of 43 people. The failure was due to corroded cables that were not monitored and substituted in time. There is a process going on with charges of manslaughter to the firm which built and maintained the bridge, gaining a lot of money because the autostrada which runs on it is a toll road. Now a new bridge, designed by Renzo Piano, has been built in less that two years and is based on steel pylons in the salty air of Genoa. Tullio |
Earthcore Send message Joined: 9 Feb 13 Posts: 19 Credit: 2,333,725 RAC: 0 |
Arecibo replacement could support space situational awareness By Jeff Foust — January 22, 2021, SPACENEWS https://spacenews.com/arecibo-replacement-could-support-space-situational-awareness/ |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21207 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Here's a recent Physics World Podcast: Arecibo Observatory: a scientific giant that fell to Earth wrote: 1 December 2020 was a dark day for Puerto Rico and the global astronomy community. The iconic Arecibo Observatory collapsed, with the radio telescope’s 900-tonne suspended platform crashing into the 305?m dish below. Warning signs had been there in the preceding months, but that did little to soften the shock felt by the astronomy community. Keep searchin'! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21207 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Message 2055672 wrote: ...funding to "Make Arecibo Great Again"! Indeed so! Here we have a proposal to make Arecibo bigger and better... On the far side of the moon! MOONBASE Project - Prof Simon Keep searchin'! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Earthcore Send message Joined: 9 Feb 13 Posts: 19 Credit: 2,333,725 RAC: 0 |
Scientists want to build a new, very different Arecibo Telescope to replace fallen icon. By Meghan Bartels - July 22, 2021, Space.com https://www.space.com/arecibo-telescope-replacement-process-and-designs |
Earthcore Send message Joined: 9 Feb 13 Posts: 19 Credit: 2,333,725 RAC: 0 |
A replacement for Arecibo planetary radar with better resolution? Tycho Crater of the Moon Revealed in Intricate Detail: Powerful new radar technology will reveal the secrets of the solar system. https://remonews.com/canada/tycho-crater-of-the-moon-revealed-in-intricate-detail-powerful-new-radar-technology-will-reveal-the-secrets-of-the-solar-system/ |
Earthcore Send message Joined: 9 Feb 13 Posts: 19 Credit: 2,333,725 RAC: 0 |
Arecibo Observatory: A year after telescope's collapse, an icon gets continuing cleanup and a new documentary. By Meghan Bartels, 1 DEC 2021, Space.com. https://www.space.com/arecibo-radio-telescope-collapse-anniversary |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3343 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Arecibo Observatory reopens visitor center after telescope collapse March 11 (UPI) -- The famous Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, once home to the world's most powerful radio telescope, has reopened to visitors more than a year after the giant facility collapsed. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36755 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
A new role for Arecibo. Site of Collapsed Arecibo Telescope Will Become an Education Center. The National Science Foundation announced this week that the site of the destroyed Arecibo Observatory radio telescope in Puerto Rico will become a STEM-focused educational center, and it’s seeking proposals to manage the new project.Cheers. |
Joseph Stateson Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 309 Credit: 70,759,933 RAC: 3 |
Some stills and stories https://www.space.com/arecibo-observatory-radio-telescope-collapse-photos Videos and more stories https://www.space.com/arecibo-observatory-collapse-drone-video-nsf-evaluation This happened Dec 2020 but I assume it contributed to closing SETI |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3343 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Arecibo telescope might have failed because of weak sockets The collapse of the 305-meter telescope at Arecibo Observatory in 2020 is being attributed to zinc creep – slow deformation due to stress – in the telescope's cable spelter sockets, according to a committee report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21207 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is that some 'euphemism' for electrolytic corrosion due to dissimilar metals in a damp environment? A process that is accelerated by electric current... As can be expected for large structures in Earth's magnetic field... And especially so for high powered transmitters such as the Arecibo interplanetary radar... Also, were not those areas protected by equipment that ensured dry air always flowed through the support cables to prevent corrosion... Until cost cutting cut the funding... Accountants, vs Science and good safe engineering? Keep searchin'? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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