So this explains why i have a heap of GPU work units queued up for processing, but no CPU only WU's???

. . You have GPU WUs? I'll toss you for them ...

Stephen

:)

At present, if you have work you have been unable to report, try setting the project to "no new tasks" and try reporting again.
At least for me, this enabled me to report ~1000 tasks without getting the http error from a machine that hadn't been able to report.

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Greetings,
I never thought I would ever see the day. My main is now running Einstein since it cannot get any WUs from SETI. My laptop has, my Pis have and I believe my other Linux PC did several hours ago. But! Not my main. So, in the interim, my Main will be doing Einstein.
Have a great day! :)
Siran

. . Since the outage ended I believe I have only received 2 WUs at all, on one machine only and that was hours ago :(

Stephen

:(

SSP would seem to indicate that everything is back up now.
No tasks available, of course ...

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Greetings,

... Pis have and I believe my other Linux PC did several hours ago. But! Not my main. So, in the interim, my Main will be doing Einstein.

This reminds me, I also have a spare RPi 3B+ sitting around and collecting dust. Is there an ISO/IMAGE one can save to a microSD card, sign in and start processing? I'm a complete dummy when it comes to Linux and stuff like that. I'd like something SIMPLE to setup, on the order of KODI or RASPIAN in NOOBS. Actually I think a lot of people have Raspberry Pi's hanging around that could be put to good use if a SIMPLE and bare bones way to install it could be devised.

Hi Omega,

Go through this thread. There's a lot of information in it.

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Keith Myers, if everyone would quit fooling the system into thinking they had 44 GPU's on only 4 desktops it would also take a load off the system.

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Good News - Beta is giving out work
Bad News - Main is somewhat constipated with the RTS at >1,000,000 and nothing getting out (for me)

As others have said - something has been done to the servers.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Keith Myers, if everyone would quit fooling the system into thinking they had 44 GPU's on only 4 desktops it would also take a load off the system.

Hi Niteryder,

Keith isn't the only one "spoofing", many others do the same. I'm kinda doing it by having 2 cards but only one doing work. The other drives my monitor. At least I have the cards to show the number of WUs I get though. ;)

I don't really think that "spoofing" puts that much more stress on the servers.

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Yea but Keith is complaining about everyone who is not "spoofing" getting more tasks, because of the new limits.

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Yea but Keith is complaining about everyone who is not "spoofing" getting more tasks, because of the new limits.

Hi Niteryder,

I just re-read his post and don't see him saying anything about non-"spoofers" getting more WUs. He was talking about the "number of WUs per device" that was just increased a few weeks ago. It was 100 per device, now it's 200 CPU and I believe 300 GPU WUs per device. He was saying that the number should go back to what it was.

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Keith Myers, if everyone would quit fooling the system into thinking they had 44 GPU's on only 4 desktops it would also take a load off the system.

Spoofing won't impact the system at all as long as the spoofers are powerful systems processing their big caches before their wingmen. Spoofed 'in progress' tasks would be 'waiting for validation' without spoofing but the number of database rows stays the same.

But increasing the standard limits of all users does have a direct impact on database size.

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He is complaining about someone getting 200 per device when he may be getting as much as 600 per device.

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If all the limits were the issue, or some of the other "load" type things folks have raised as possibilities, wouldn't the SSP reflect that in terms of excessive queries on the db (Master database queries/second)? In watching it, I don't see that number get very high. Seems there must be something else going on, and while there's no way to know my wild guess is that ultimately it's a splitter throttle issue. Seems to me that it when that was reflected on the SSP as a separate process that all this goofiness began, especially all the odd gyrations on scheduling server availability and response time.
All uninformed speculation, of course, but in the absence of any meaningful communication from the project folks, that's all there is. Dead horse, beaten.

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He is complaining about someone getting 200 per device when he may be getting as much as 600 per device.

There are a big difference from one who spoofing the GPU and well handle the host, like Keith or others (maybe 20 or less users) who do the same (me included) than change the limits of all the community.

In the case of the big crunchers, who has GPU who could crunch 1 or more Wu per minute a 100 WU per GPU buffer is simply not realistic. This crunchers need some way to increase the WU cache or they will constantly run out of work. But they are very few.

For the fast majority of users (maybe more than 50 K), who run on a "set & forget" and produces maybe 20 WU per day or less a large WU cache is not needed and unnecessary increases the size of the DB. That change is what we are talking about.

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The server status page seems to update only once every few hours but the last time it updated it said there was over a million results ready to send. However even when that that information was fresh, my both computers got just 'Project has no tasks available' over and over. Are the anonymous systems being discriminated against again like during the christmas?

Edit: right after I typed that my bigger box received over a hundred tasks!

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For the fast majority of users (maybe more than 50 K), who run on a "set & forget" and produces maybe 20 WU per day or less a large WU cache is not needed and unnecessary increases the size of the DB. That change is what we are talking about.

And the proper way to deal with that, for users of any production volume, is to set realistic cache size limits so that the process can self-regulate, rather than flailing about trying to find a sweet spot in externally imposed limits. If everyone set their caches for a max of 1-2 days, and stuck to that, actual device limits would be unneeded. Assuming, of course, that the client calculated the requirement accurately.

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The 200/call (if that's what is being talked about) is a hard limit. The actual "ready for dispatch" queue is 200 work units long, so anyone needing more than tha is going to need more than 1 call to fill their cache.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Jimbocous, I agree 100%.

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And the proper way to deal with that, for users of any production volume, is to set realistic cache size limits so that the process can self-regulate....

I agree and there are a simple way to do that.

Each host could has a WU cache up to the valid returning crunched WU per day, Your host produces 10, you could have a 10 WU cache, your host produce 5000, then your cache could be 5000.

Obviously there a need for some adjust for the slower devices who crunch less than 1 Wu per day, but that could be easy be solved by limit a minimum cache size of up to 4 WU for example.

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At one time there were no cache limits, and some people ended up with many thousands of tasks that thy had no hope of completing in time, but they saw it as a "badge of honour" to have so many. That of course was in the days when it could take a fair chunk of a day to process a task (a bit like my RPis do today)

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?