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Message 2045819 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 14:05:01 UTC - in response to Message 2045816.  

But... Trump doesn't absolve the actions and statements of the Democrat's nor the actions, statements and future wishes of the Criminal Chinese Government.
Why don't you have the courage to call it as it is?
The World are the criminals for trading with China.

....Yes, We are. Or just plain stupid.

Occam's Razor.

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Message 2045826 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 14:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 2045768.  
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The time has come to start moving manufacturing back,

The manufacturing output of the US has actually gone up in the US since 1970, what has changed is the size of the workforce, where it has gone down from ~27% to ~13%. And as the manufacturing has moved to high-technology manufacturing a lot of the jobs now are not blue collar but require a college degree or the equivalent company training.
John Deere is a good company to study, if you really want to know whats going on, and where manufacturing is going in the US.

In 2016, 20% of US manufacturing output was exported to Canada and Mexico, and nearly 50% was exported to countries with which the US had free trade agreements.

If things have changed since then, you know who to blame.
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Message 2045841 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 16:21:50 UTC - in response to Message 2045819.  

But... Trump doesn't absolve the actions and statements of the Democrat's nor the actions, statements and future wishes of the Criminal Chinese Government.
Why don't you have the courage to call it as it is?
The World are the criminals for trading with China.

....Yes, We are. Or just plain stupid.
That would be Republican Richard Milhous Nixon, whom King Donald emulates in every respect including how to win elections and trade with foreign governments. The only difference is RMN knew what he was doing, King Donald just apes.
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Message 2045848 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 16:38:20 UTC

I love this picture of Americans totally UNITED in their war against the vile evil enemy Corona Virus

Just remember our real enemies are excited at the prospect of no resistance when they begin the invasion.

What are you doing to stand United?
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Message 2045866 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 19:07:47 UTC

DISTURBING TO EVERY AMERICAN
White House Trade Adviser Peter Navarro said during an exclusive interview on “Sunday Morning Futures” that China "cornered" the personal protective equipment (PPE) market during the coronavirus outbreak and “is profiteering.”

The third thing they did was basically hoard personal protective equipment and now they’re profiteering from it,” Navarro told host Maria Bartiromo, referencing the fact that many states have been dealing with a shortage of PPE for health care workers during the coronavirus crisis.

Navarro went on to explain what he thinks “should be very disturbing to every American.”

“During that period of time, that six-week interval when they were hiding this virus from the world, China went from a net exporter of personal protective equipment, they are the largest producer of that in the world, to a large net importer,” Navarro said. “They basically went around and vacuumed up virtually all of the PPE around the world, including a lot from this country, which was for humanitarian reasons sharing our PPE with them, and what that did was leave people in New York, Milan, and everywhere in-between defenseless when it came time to have that PPE.”

What I find maximally disturbing is an administration that preaches Laissez-faire economics is in any way surprised by the actions of China on PPE. Do they think everyone except Americans must act in the best interest of Americans, and only Americans can act in their own self interest? If so where could such a thought process arise? Is this the average level of administration Kind Donald has put in place? Or are they fully aware, but just think the average American is utterly incapable of realizing what Laissez-faire economics entails so that only very privileged elite profit? How exploited would you feel if that was the case?

Understand King Donald.
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Message 2045869 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 19:21:45 UTC

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Message 2045950 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 6:21:44 UTC

I just realized that this pair of posts
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84907&postid=2045866
and
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84194&postid=2044312
Are just variations on the same theme.

Now that the noise seems to be down perhaps message and content can get through. I'm still open to hearing any thoughts.
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Message 2046105 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 0:27:37 UTC
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Further articles confirming that the Corona virus is of natural origin as opposed to other various silly (Trump misinformation?) viral claims otherwise:


Claim That Covid-19 Came From Lab ... Completely Unfounded Scientists Say
wrote:
"... SARS-CoV-2 is not closely related to any previous viruses..."...

... Today the Associated Press also called it "an outlier theory" being spread by president Trump and officials in his administration "without the weight of evidence."

On Twitter, Eric Hundman, an Assistant Professor at NYU Shanghai, had stern words for anyone still spreading this misinformation. "Insinuating that the virus escaped from a lab in China by saying 'well, there's no evidence that it didn't' is not only untrue, it amounts to disinformation that could further ratchet up US-China tensions and distract from more urgent priorities....



Note that there's an impressive worldwide body of scientists quoted there that demolishes the various'lab blame game' conspiracy stories.


One to quickly move on and away from before The Trump makes a war out of it to distract from his failings...

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Message 2046108 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 0:35:45 UTC
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Is Trump playing a very messy and deadly 'game of distraction'?...


Bill Gates, Lancet, UN, and Many Others Lambast America's Withholding of Funds from the WHO


There is very deadly stern comment there...


All in our only one deadly greedy world?
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Message 2046141 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 5:38:30 UTC

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/america-isn-failing-state-failed-experiment-200420134026075.html
America isn't just a failing state, it is a failed experiment

And the mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic is just another proof.


Sometime in the future, maybe two or three centuries from now, when historians and other social scientists begin to write the first books about the failures of the defunct American experiment, they will all confront a basic truth: That despite American proclamations of freedom and equality, the realities of racism, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia and gross economic inequalities as practised in American society constantly belied these ideals.

Future experts will have to consider whether America's ultimate virtues really ever had a chance to flourish, or were simply myths meant to soothe the American ego.

These future researchers will have a list of events to point to that signalled the death knell of America as a superpower, a nation-state, and as an idea worth pursuing. And that list is long:

The squandering of trillions of dollars from 1945 through the 1980s on the Cold War, Vietnam and the nuclear arms race. The presidency of Richard Nixon, Watergate, and craven government corruption. The disinvestment from the American social safety net and the massive deregulation of corporations that began during President Ronald Reagan's rule in the 1980s - all while proclaiming "it's morning in America again" - and continued unabated under Presidents Bill Clinton, George W Bush and Barack Obama. The First Gulf War in 1990-91 and the new US commitment to endless, preemptive wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere in the decades since. The 2008 housing bust and the Great Recession that only further benefitted corporations while grinding millions down into poverty and the gig economy.

All this has led the US to its current calamity, the ongoing novel coronavirus pandemic, one that at publication, has claimed more than 40,000 American lives and sickened at least 700,000 others. It is an epic crisis which America's leaders from President Donald Trump down could have blunted by heeding advanced warnings from the World Health Organization, from the Centers for Disease Control, and from the Obama administration, making preparations and taking action.

Trump could have mitigated the crisis but he failed miserably, opting first for denial, declaring the COVID-19 warnings the Democrats' "new hoax".

The COVID-19 outbreak has highlighted another epidemic that has plagued American society - American narcissism, a disease that has been growing since the founding of Jamestown, the first permanent English settlement in North America, in 1607.

America's narcissism was and remains more infectious than any virus, as the attraction of presumed wealth and unlimited success has been a salve for many Americans for generations, no matter how fantastical.

Let us look at how the US has responded to the coronavirus since the first reports of patients dying of severe pneumonia came out of the city of Wuhan in China in early January. The federal government never mobilised its authority and resources to provide kits for testing the potentially and actually infected here within the US (but apparently sent respirators, masks and other medical supplies to China in early February).

Once the virus infected Americans in Washington State in late January, little was done to immediately take its spread across the US seriously. It was all business as usual for the White House, for Congress, and for so many elected officials until the beginning of March, with the impeachment trial now but a blip on this election year's calendar.

Once it became apparent that American leadership would fail to be proactive in preventing the spread of COVID-19, the nation's me-first instincts kicked in. Toilet paper, bottled water, rubbing alcohol, liquid soap, surgical face masks, hand sanitisers, paper towels, orange juice and thermometers all began to disappear off supermarket and drug store shelves. Some Americans thought it a good idea to corner the market in these items as part of an attempt to profit from panic and deadly tragedy. Trillion-dollar businesses like Amazon did nothing to stop the hoarding, the panic and the exploitation.

The big corporations and the smaller businesses also did little to protect their employees before mid-March, even though every credible immunologist and epidemiologist urged social isolation and shelter-in-place orders days and weeks earlier.

It took the shutting down of face-to-face classes at Harvard and the NBA postponing the remainder of its 2019-2020 season before other universities, the sporting world, and other institutions began to shut down en masse. And that was mostly because both academia and professional sports are global in nature, an advantage and a liability when it comes to a pandemic.

America's 50-plus states and jurisdictions, and Washington, DC have had 50-plus separate responses to the crisis, from a general lockdown in New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California to barely any precautions at all in Alabama, Florida and Texas until well into the pandemic's impact on their states.

Even so, many Americans have violated even the most basic rules of social distancing, frolicking at beaches and attending public gatherings as if this crisis is one big national summer vacation.

In March, some, like Dan Patrick, Lieutenant Governor of Texas, went into amateur eugenicist mode, opting for despair over government action. Patrick's message on FOX News? "Let's get back to work, let's get back to living. Let's be smart about it, and those of us who are 70-plus, we'll take care of ourselves, but don't sacrifice the country."

The lives of the elderly are apparently less important than the American economy's stability. Trump, Patrick and other government officials have declared people rendered vulnerable by ageism, ableism, sexism and racism exploitable and expendable.

Governor Tate Reeves of Mississippi for his part signed an executive order that temporarily rescinded local bans on opening non-essential businesses and on social distancing, essentially ordering most state residents back to life as normal.

Meanwhile, Jerry Falwell Jr, the president of Virginia's Liberty University and its evangelical leadership thought it wise to reopen for face-to-face classes again as the numbers of infected climbed by the thousands every day.

The need for profit over protecting the citizens of Mississippi? Jerry Falwell Jr's blind evangelical faith over science and the welfare of thousands of students? Seriously?

But, just like with American narcissism, American racism has grown from the same toxic soil that combines greed and a craving for power with a total disregard for whole swaths of humanity. America's narcissism and racism work hand in glove. Why else would Trump deliberately scratch out the word "corona" in his talking points and replace it with the "Chinese virus" for a press briefing in mid-March?

Why else have there been over 1,100 anti-Asian and anti-Chinese incidents and attacks in the past month in the US? How could there be any other explanation for hacking online classes and disrupting them with racist rhetoric?

Without a doubt, the penchant for narcissism and racism and the othering of so many as exploitable and expendable are interconnected, both historically and in the COVID-19 crisis in the US.

All the while, America's most vulnerable have hardly been given a thought. The patchwork nature of the US healthcare system means that millions living with poverty, homelessness, incarceration, disabilities and psychological illnesses will likely be exposed to the coronavirus in the next weeks and months.

They will represent a disproportionate number of the 200,000 experts predict will die from the virus in the next 12 or 18 months. They will not have the benefit of medical care necessary to keep them alive. They will not partake in the $2 trillion Congressional stimulus package mostly meant to shovel more money down the throats of the nation's corporate monopolies.

For so many who are not immediately vulnerable, the pittance of funds from this stimulus meant for ordinary Americans will be way too little and come way too late. So many more will join the ranks of the unemployed, the underemployed, the permanently and temporarily homeless, as well as the jailed, the sick and the dead.

America's lack of leadership at home and abroad during this pandemic has been stunning. But its populace's denial of these facts is simply gobsmacking.

The truth is, many Americans barely care about other Americans, especially those who are black and brown and especially during this pandemic. This is what 400 years of racism and narcissism have led to. Most Americans either do not care that much of this allegedly natural devastation stems from globalisation and climate change, or act as if there is nothing that can be done about it. The COVID-19 crisis is yet another log on the stack of America's enduring shame as the world's most powerful and yet most do-nothing nation.

Is America really over? Yes, it will remain a superpower and a rich nation for the foreseeable future, but with so much of that power and wealth ever more consolidated into the hands of rich whites and the corporations.

The coronavirus pandemic will not plunge the US into darkness. But this crisis is an omen, a truly horrifying sign that the US as both a stable nation-state and a symbol of freedom and goodness is a bald-faced lie.

Anyone who believes otherwise or who fights for such ideals while also hoping to preserve America as it currently stands is not only promoting American narcissism and racism, but also guaranteeing future calamities. They will ultimately be as responsible for America's failure to fulfil its fanciful experiment as every president since Lyndon Johnson.
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Message 2046145 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 6:34:38 UTC

And that's pretty much all the true facts summed up, but so many can't see the problems (or is it that some just don't want to see them).
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Message 2046146 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 6:49:08 UTC - in response to Message 2046141.  

Yes, a powerful 'State of the Nation' address. I think much of the same analysis could be applied to the UK too.
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Message 2046151 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 7:46:20 UTC - in response to Message 2046146.  

Yes, a powerful 'State of the Nation' address. I think much of the same analysis could be applied to the UK too.


Indeed, as I have got older and perhaps a bit wiser, I see much of it on a daily basis.
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Message 2046152 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 7:58:21 UTC - in response to Message 2046146.  

Yes, a powerful 'State of the Nation' address. I think much of the same analysis could be applied to the UK too.

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Message 2046204 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 19:07:47 UTC

Thought there would be agreement, but I expected at least one voice of dissent.
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Message 2046211 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 20:25:27 UTC - in response to Message 2046204.  

Thought there would be agreement, but I expected at least one voice of dissent.



For a moment there I thought I was in the Cafe :)
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Message 2046215 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 21:08:10 UTC

While a lot of governors' popularity is on the rise it looks like coronavirus is giving v2.0 a headache.

Trump's coronavirus response is under fire. The anti-lockdown protests are a welcome distraction.

‘Another nail in an almost closed coffin’: Trump faces his next coronavirus test.

And v2.0's lies just keep on flowing.

Fact check: Trump falsely describes his travel history during briefing with more inaccuracies.

Meanwhile v2.0 is throws in another distraction that others had called "xenophobic scapegoating".

Trump plan to ban immigration slammed.

The big question will be, will Trump be like a true captain and go down with the ship or will he do a "Francesco Schettino" and jump ship before it does?
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Message 2046224 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 22:18:04 UTC - in response to Message 2046215.  
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The big question will be, will Trump be like a true captain and go down with the ship or will he do a "Francesco Schettino" and jump ship before it does?
That's a tricky question.
But perhaps not. He's the kind of man that rather will go under before he could admit that he is a fraud.
His whole life is built on a lie.
I think his "Make America Great Again" mantra is an insult to the American people!
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Message 2046232 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 23:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 2046224.  

The big question will be, will Trump be like a true captain and go down with the ship or will he do a "Francesco Schettino" and jump ship before it does?
That's a tricky question.
But perhaps not. He's the kind of man that rather will go under before he could admit that he is a fraud.
His whole life is built on a lie.
How many times has he run the bankruptcy court? He will bail and then hop his private airplane for Moscow to be with his buddy Putin.
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Message 2046236 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 0:17:01 UTC - in response to Message 2046232.  
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The big question will be, will Trump be like a true captain and go down with the ship or will he do a "Francesco Schettino" and jump ship before it does?
That's a tricky question.
But perhaps not. He's the kind of man that rather will go under before he could admit that he is a fraud.
His whole life is built on a lie.
How many times has he run the bankruptcy court? He will bail and then hop his private airplane for Moscow to be with his buddy Putin.
Hehe:) Trump is fooled by both Putin and Kim. And perhaps Xi.
Why you might wonder. Because Trump is a fool:)
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