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Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36789 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Norfolk Southern engineer raised concern about train ahead of derailment. A Norfolk Southern engineer expressed concerns to a supervisor about the length of the train that would later derail in East Palestine, Ohio, but the reservations went unaddressed, according to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36789 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
There's been problems with bridges and trains, now both are rolled into 1. Parts of train carrying hazardous materials plunge into Yellowstone River. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
There's been problems with bridges and trains, now both are rolled into 1. https://goo.gl/maps/ZVog9QFfV8p6aff18 Looks to me like a bridge pier is maybe missing. I think I'd start my investigation there. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19400 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Another view of the train and collapsed bridge from CBS |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36789 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Well it did run on rails. :-( One dead, several injured as roller-coaster derails at Grona Lund amusement park in Sweden. One person has been killed and seven injured, including children, in a roller-coaster accident at a Stockholm amusement park. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19400 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Another train derails after hitting vehicle. Fox 11 LA Amtrak train crashes into vehicle in Moorepark AP Amtrak train derails after California collision |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Another train derails after hitting vehicle. You shouldn't leave a water tanker parked in a crossing. I'm going to take a guess and say it got high centered. Local news implied, but didn't say, it was a water department vehicle making scheduled deliveries. As no one was killed NTSB might release the scene PDQ and service on the line can be restored. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36789 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Again I'm just amazed about the sight of so many barely serviceable timbers sleepers/ties (well they certainly ain't serviceable anymore), though just seeing timber still being used for that purpose on a main line so many times of late just astounds me. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13854 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Again I'm just amazed about the sight of so many barely serviceable timbers sleepers/ties (well they certainly ain't serviceable anymore), though just seeing timber still being used for that purpose on a main line so many times of late just astounds me.It comes down to cost. Good hardwoods here in Australia are seriously expensive, so concrete sleepers are economically viable replacements over the long term. In the US, they have a huge available supply of reasonably priced wood, and tracks laid on wood sleepers require less ballast, and less specialised mechanical equipment to both install & replace. It all comes down to cost- even if properly maintained (regular inspections & replacement (apparently every 7-14 years as treating the timber is no longer allowed due to it's environmental impact), in the US wood still comes out ahead of concrete, even with it's much higher ongoing maintenance requirements, due to it's so much cheaper initial outlay. Grant Darwin NT |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22529 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
even if properly maintained (regular inspections & replacement ...///... Well that's the thing, skip inspections, then don't do required or scheduled replacements and you end up with rails not being properly supported and retained. All too soon a train will end up in the dirt, possibly on its side, possibly injuring or killing someone, certainly costing money to get back on the track and replacing more track and sleepers. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31006 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Wood or Concrete? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtyTTijswwg From a guy whose job it is to replace them. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36789 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
He contradicts himself there a few times and a lot of his explanations/excuses seem to be centered on not wanting to spend $'s for better maintenance machinery or just too lazy to make adjustments to current machinery and not wanting to make a decent effort in forming a decent bedding for the lot to sit on. So in the end all I get from that is the feeling that everything must be done on the cheap and he doesn't like to work too hard which is likely the reason why there are so many of those derailments going on to start with. Also dumping the timber sleepers/ties into landfill is a really terrible idea as the rotting wood releases greenhouse gases into our atmosphere which has way more than enough in it to start with already (and I won't mention anything about heavy metals and asbestos that gets embedded into those timbers and why they shouldn't be used for landscaping). Cheers. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 66340 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
And since Concrete has water in it, there are problems with freezing temps I'd think, though I would not mind being wrong here, CA is working on lowering the amount of CO2 produced when concrete is made, for a bit there was a Plastic sleeper/tie, but I don't know much about that, though by the pics they look good. Savoir-Faire is everywhere! The T1 Trust, T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, America's First HST |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22529 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Concrete sleepers (ties) have been use right up into the Arctic in Europe, so the water used in making the concrete is not much of an issue, assuming that sufficient curing time is allowed for the particular mix employed. (The critical cure time is a matter of days, so not much of issue). Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22529 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
It would appear that "plastic" sleepers & ties are getting more popular - here's a link to one company that produces wood, concrete and plastic sleepers, and discusses the pros & cons of each: https://www.rail-fastener.com/recycled-plastic-railway-sleepers.html (There's a separate page for each type, linked from the page I've given.) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36789 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Another train derails causing passenger delays. Long Island Rail Road Train Derails in Queens, Injuring 13. A Long Island Rail Road train derailed in Queens on Thursday morning, injuring 13 people, with fire department crews responding at a scene that will delay train service this afternoon and possibly tomorrow morning. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 36789 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Another comes off the rails. Pakistan passenger train derailment kills 30 people in country's southern province Sindh. A passenger train derailed in southern Pakistan, killing at least 30 people and injuring more than 90, local broadcaster Geo reported. |
Suzie-Q Send message Joined: 9 Mar 07 Posts: 3351 Credit: 4,746,812 RAC: 1 |
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Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Virtual Railfan has a new camera in Austell Georgia which has only just gone live, and captured this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XhvgRNVPFQ It seems he wanted to turn left |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13854 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Virtual Railfan has a new camera in Austell Georgia which has only just gone live, and captured this.And couldn't due to the idiots that ignored the markings on the road and stopped there anyway, blocking him from turning. Grant Darwin NT |
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