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Message 2045022 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 18:01:27 UTC

The elder population form the voting base for our current party of government (and its leader), too - and that voting population is the one being eroded the fastest.


Wow, the core idea of a new apocalyptic novel.............seriously.

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Message 2045023 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 18:01:30 UTC - in response to Message 2045015.  

Richard I don't remember anyone saying the voters as a group were rational.
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Message 2045026 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 18:24:23 UTC - in response to Message 2045023.  

Richard I don't remember anyone saying the voters as a group were rational.
Often, neither are the people they vote for.

But I'm lucky enough to be still active and reasonably healthy, after entering the age group under discussion. It's in the interest of our government to keep the elderly happy, and the inflation-proofing guarantee on the state pension is very comforting...
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Message 2045047 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 20:17:55 UTC

Curious how vaccines are being developed? CNN's Lisa Ling is hosting an 8-episode series going behind the scenes of J&J's vaccine development group as it works towards a COVID-19 vaccine.
https://www.jnj.com/latest-news/the-road-to-covid-19-vaccine-live-video-series
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Message 2045048 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 20:17:58 UTC - in response to Message 2045020.  

A problem though is that now the health care could be forced to prioritize.
Don't know if any country are in that position. So far it looks like no country is not among them.


I think prioritisation took place in some places in Italy? And while officially, it doesn't happen in France (yet), old people in care homes who get sick aren't brought to the hospital at all.
Gazing at the skies, hoping for contact... Unlikely, but it would be such a fantastic opportunity to learn.

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Message 2045051 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 20:44:18 UTC - in response to Message 2045048.  

I think prioritisation took place in some places in Italy? And while officially, it doesn't happen in France (yet), old people in care homes who get sick aren't brought to the hospital at all.
I don't know if any prioritization are taking place in Italy. What is now known though is that eldery people at a retirement home are in a very big risk, in all countries.
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Message 2045052 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 20:48:34 UTC - in response to Message 2045050.  

I think prioritisation took place in some places in Italy? And while officially, it doesn't happen in France (yet), old people in care homes who get sick aren't brought to the hospital at all.

Are they given necessary and hopefully life saving medical care?
As for today there are no life saving medical care.
Only treatments for the side effects of the CV.
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Message 2045054 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 21:11:50 UTC - in response to Message 2045050.  

Sadly there have been reports from a few countries where the care delivered is a long way below any sensible threshold.
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Message 2045064 - Posted: 15 Apr 2020, 21:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 2045062.  

Perhaps I should have answered that there are no vaccines that are life saving against CV.
But there are treatments aka drugs that are bringing down the causalities.
So far there are not so many.
Trump's miracle drug is btw canceled due to the side effect that many test patients died :(
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Message 2045109 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 0:37:13 UTC - in response to Message 2045007.  

let me come back to you when Africa are being heavily hit with the Coronavirus,
As long as it isn't American's Rump's base will be ecstatic. (rump's base {collectively} has no morals)
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Message 2045110 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 0:37:57 UTC - in response to Message 2045010.  

That will reduce the number of beneficiaries of social security and medicare.
Eugenics!
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Message 2045112 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 0:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 2045047.  

Curious how vaccines are being developed? CNN's Lisa Ling is hosting an 8-episode series going behind the scenes of J&J's vaccine development group as it works towards a COVID-19 vaccine.
https://www.jnj.com/latest-news/the-road-to-covid-19-vaccine-live-video-series

Was any WHO money used in any of the research, if so whatever is developed should be denied to the USA!
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Message 2045116 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 0:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 2045113.  

Didn't I say that 10 hours ago. https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=84230&postid=2044966#2044966

Which you answered but apparently didn't read to the end, as you only mentioned the timeline.
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Message 2045126 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 1:12:55 UTC - in response to Message 2045121.  

You didn't mention anything about the first victim not having any links to the market. Which was my criticism of the first entry in that timeline.
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Message 2045142 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 1:45:52 UTC

And if you can remember I did ask the question over 24 hours ago, in 2044839,

Was it that market?
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Message 2045143 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 1:48:51 UTC - in response to Message 2045138.  

You didn't mention anything about the first victim not having any links to the market. Which was my criticism of the first entry in that timeline.

My response was only directed towards the "timeline" of the Chinese Government's statements and other actions.

So you ignored my skepticism of the market being the original site of the infection.
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Message 2045148 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 2:05:54 UTC - in response to Message 2045143.  
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... skepticism of the market being the original site of the infection.

The Wuhan market may or may not have been the source. So far we simply do not know.

However, also note that markets are a social focus for a very wide area and so the Wuhan market could easily have been (merely) an inadvertent transmission hub from some other (possibly far flung) source or import...


There is some intense genetic tracing ongoing to try to determine where this Corona-SARS-2 virus originated so that we hopefully can learn to avoid a #3.


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Message 2045149 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 2:18:09 UTC - in response to Message 2045148.  

The Wuhan market may or may not have been the source. So far we simply do not know.
And we may never know, especially if patient zero was asymptomatic. Even if later tested and shown to have anti-bodies, there is no way to find out when they were exposed and hence no way to find out they were number zero.

I know this isn't an answer that many will be able to come to terms with. Some people have minds that require a specific answer to every question and they demand it.
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Message 2045159 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 3:14:32 UTC - in response to Message 2045148.  

... skepticism of the market being the original site of the infection.

The Wuhan market may or may not have been the source. So far we simply do not know.

However, also note that markets are a social focus for a very wide area and so the Wuhan market could easily have been (merely) an inadvertent transmission hub from some other (possibly far flung) source or import...


There is some intense genetic tracing ongoing to try to determine where this Corona-SARS-2 virus originated so that we hopefully can learn to avoid a #3.


Stay safe!
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Except that we know the virus originated in bats, the theory that it was passed through pangolins is dubious, that link was years ago and now that virus is slightly different, and the market doesn't sell bats.
Therefore IMO we can dismiss the market as the source of human infection.
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Message 2045161 - Posted: 16 Apr 2020, 3:56:53 UTC - in response to Message 2045159.  

... skepticism of the market being the original site of the infection.

The Wuhan market may or may not have been the source. So far we simply do not know.

However, also note that markets are a social focus for a very wide area and so the Wuhan market could easily have been (merely) an inadvertent transmission hub from some other (possibly far flung) source or import...


There is some intense genetic tracing ongoing to try to determine where this Corona-SARS-2 virus originated so that we hopefully can learn to avoid a #3.


Stay safe!
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Except that we know the virus originated in bats, the theory that it was passed through pangolins is dubious, that link was years ago and now that virus is slightly different, and the market doesn't sell bats.
Therefore IMO we can dismiss the market as the source of human infection.

But we do know that cats catch SARS CoV 2, and we also know that cat is/was on the menu in China.

I'm finding it interesting that the literature indicates that horseshoe bats were the source, when they were the source of the original SARS in 2002. I'm left wondering if there are translation issues or if they actually came from the same source. They did find the bat to human link for the original SARS, so that link is obviously possible for SARS CoV-2.
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