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Message 2045638 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 15:02:28 UTC - in response to Message 2045621.  

Yes. Since Gary gave links to Californian and Swedish data, the pattern is very clear when comparing them. People started dying of covid-19 at about early Mars in both Sweden and California with an accelerating up and down rate to some days ago when the accelerating pace seems to have been lowered. Despite of different response times. I think California was later to respond. Then we also have in Sweden a different approach. But that doesn't seem to matter and we both have about the same outcome.
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Message 2045642 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 15:23:24 UTC - in response to Message 2045621.  

According to one study, the response matters very little.......
https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915?fbclid=IwAR3WG75ymF6_y8wAuzJKToD8lIwPgyNSecjsccwJfRK6Vf6kl8EJi3hfu88
Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who also serves on the research and development advisory board for Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections of the U.S., U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain. The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way. His graphs show that all countries experienced seemingly identical coronavirus infection patterns, with the number of infected peaking in the sixth week and rapidly subsiding by the eighth week.

Yes, that is very much to be expected. Just as you repeatedly see the very same Gaussian bell curve ("Normal Distribution") repeated throughout physics.

However, what I would expect to be very different is the proportions/total numbers involved for the infection peak...


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Message 2045646 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 15:42:12 UTC - in response to Message 2045642.  

However, what I would expect to be very different is the proportions/total numbers involved for the infection peak.
proportions/total numbers?
So what is the total number? Nobody knows.
Infection peak? Well that we will only know when the global death rate start to decline. So far there aren't so many countries that achieved death rates declines. South Korea, Japan and perhaps Taiwan and Hong Kong.
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Message 2045656 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 17:03:18 UTC - in response to Message 2045581.  

Maybe the US should include all those people who dies of COVID-19, not only those who dies in hospitals.
I don't know how the other 49 states register deaths, but I do know California's. Most death certificates in California are signed by doctors, no matter where the person died. There are multiple causes of death, generally one that did them in, onset usually described as minutes, there is a second where onset is longer, like COVID-19 and all other conditions like diabetes. If a doctor won't sign or can't*, then the coroner does an exam, and that should include a COVID-19 test. How do I know? Where I work enters data into https://www.edrs.us/index.jsp.


*Doctors can't sign if the person hasn't been their patient for a long enough period, at least 3 days.
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Message 2045664 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 17:31:34 UTC - in response to Message 2045656.  

Maybe the US should include all those people who dies of COVID-19, not only those who dies in hospitals.
I don't know how the other 49 states register deaths, but I do know California's. Most death certificates in California are signed by doctors, no matter where the person died. There are multiple causes of death, generally one that did them in, onset usually described as minutes, there is a second where onset is longer, like COVID-19 and all other conditions like diabetes. If a doctor won't sign or can't*, then the coroner does an exam, and that should include a COVID-19 test. How do I know? Where I work enters data into https://www.edrs.us/index.jsp.
*Doctors can't sign if the person hasn't been their patient for a long enough period, at least 3 days.
Now you mention yet an other problem. What was the cause of a patient's death? Same problem for all doctors dealing with casualties that have multiple reasons why they died.
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Message 2045682 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 19:14:18 UTC - in response to Message 2045680.  

Florida want's to be number one?
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Message 2045683 - Posted: 18 Apr 2020, 19:15:52 UTC - in response to Message 2045680.  

As far as I can see they are keeping social distancing.
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Message 2045739 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 5:00:29 UTC

https://tass.com/world/1146127
MOSCOW, April 17. /TASS/. A gene sequence in the novel coronavirus indicates that the virus was imported to China’s Wuhan, instead of emerging there, China’s Ambassador to Russia Zhang Hanhui told TASS Friday.

"Five reputable scientific organizations, including the Xishuangbanna Tropical Botanical Garden and the Central Botanical Garden of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, have collected data on 93 genome specimens of COVID-19, published in a global database covering 12 countries on four continents," the diplomat specified. "The research revealed that the earliest ‘ancestor’ of the virus is mv1, which evolved into haplotypes H13 and H38, and they, in turn, led to emergence of the second-generation haplotype — H3, which evolved into H1."

For clarity, the ambassador used family ties to trace the virus’s development. Thus, the mv1 haplotype is "the grand-grandfather," while H13 and H38 are "the grandma and grandpa," H3 — is "the father" and H1 is "the child."

"The virus that was discovered at Wuhan’s seafood market was of the H1 variety," he continued. "Only the H3 haplotype was discovered in Wuhan earlier, but it had nothing to do with the seafood market."

The previous gene sequences, H13 and H38, were never discovered in Wuhan.

"This suggests that the H1 specimen was brought to the seafood market by some infected person, which sparked the epidemic. The gene sequence cannot lie," Zhang Hanhui asserted.

The ambassador castigated attempts to pin the blame for the pandemic on China as libel, and reiterated that the country had to undertake huge efforts and suffer a lot of casualties in order to beat the disease.

"In doing so, China bought time for other nations — two entire months — in order to allow them to take prevention and control measures," he concluded.
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Message 2045792 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 13:04:50 UTC

What I find hilarious is the asinine comments, memes & recriminations on all of this.
Regardless of how it got in the wild, it needs getting under control.
The manner it which it has been handled is nothing short of a shambles.
What really worries me is that no one is listening to the experts when they say that further pandemics are on the way.
Covid-19 is a wake up call for the world, so the question is: How fast will the world wake up?
From what has been seen to date, my only thought at this time is:
God help us.
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Message 2045805 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 13:20:59 UTC - in response to Message 2045800.  

When this is over and I hope sooner than later. The medical/scientific and political establishments will, hopefully be able to come up with new and correct guidelines for the next pandemic.
Only if there is a profit to be made & we know that the most profit centric country on the planet is...
...one has only to look to that country's GDP...
...the amount to Science & education is...
...and the amount to defence is way off the scale!
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Message 2045817 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 14:00:36 UTC
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we know that the most profit centric country on the planet is...

....China. (Not the people, the Communist Chinese Government)

WHO fiddled while Rome was smoldering (literally), due to their lies in order to buy time to 'corner the market' on PPE, Ventilators and drug stockpiles AND to attempt the obtain the patent rights to Remdesivir......

https://canadafreepress.com/article/chinese-reds-set-a-trap-for-trump

In another strange development, American biopharmaceutical company Gilead had applied for a Chinese patent on the use of the antiviral drug Remdesivir against coronaviruses back in 2016. The Wuhan Institute of Virology had also applied for its own Chinese patent on a copy of the drug.

It appears that China was considering the idea that profits could be made from a cornavirus outbreak and that it was trying to profit from the work already done by an American company. A compromise is reportedly being talked about so that pharmaceutical companies in both countries can make billions.

Even if we assume the leak of the virus was accidental and not deliberate, the world is still at the mercy of China, where it originated, and thousands if not millions could die. This makes China complicit in what are called crimes against humanity.

Commentators trying to play down the threat ignore the fact that scandals of this kind involving China have already occurred. One of the most notorious cases was contaminated Chinese-made heparin, a blood-thinning agent, which claimed at least 81 lives in the United States in 2007 and 2008.

Ask yourself exactly who is selling all PPE to the rest of the world in the guise of 'aid'? Then ask what the prices of those items was in September 2019 compared to now. Those that don't see it are lying to themselves and might as well 'take a knee' right now to their masters.

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Message 2045823 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 14:11:19 UTC - in response to Message 2045817.  

And you accuse me of cherry picking? Sheesh!
Any "answer" for this?
...the amount to Science & education is...
...and the amount to defence is way off the scale!
As for cornering the market, do you recall the EpiPen scandal or did that escape your notice?
That is just one of many of your pharmaceutical greed issues.
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Message 2045838 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 16:09:34 UTC - in response to Message 2045817.  

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/canada-free-press/
Overall, we rate Canada Free Press Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracies and numerous false claims.
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Message 2045839 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 16:11:34 UTC

How China 'LIED' to the world – a Swedish girl's message to family
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-04-12/How-China-LIED-to-the-world-a-Swedish-girl-s-message-to-family-PD4ffOuvqE/index.html
China has an odd diplomacy. Both Sweden and Denmark have criticized China for various reasons and the relationship has hit rock bottom.
Perhaps doing this was not so good:)
But now China want to send PPE to us. A problem though is that their PPE doesn't meet our medical standards... That is the same as the US FDA standard.
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Message 2045849 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 16:53:14 UTC

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/business/grocery-stores-coronavirus-pickup-delivery/index.html
It may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside
Dozens of grocery store workers have died from the coronavirus, despite masks, temperature checks and capacity restrictions to keep them safe. So far, supermarkets have resisted the most draconian policy: banning customers from coming inside.
grocery owners believe it has become too dangerous to let customers browse aisles, coming into close range with workers.
"Careless customers" are "probably the biggest threat" to workers right now
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Message 2045876 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 20:06:22 UTC

King Donald says open it now
Coronavirus: 'Possible to be infected with Covid-19 more than once'

Is he that smart?
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Message 2045880 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 20:40:54 UTC

He's as smart as those people holding those "spread the virus rallies". :-(
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Message 2045980 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 10:27:00 UTC
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World wide cases are now over 2.4 million while the U.S. is still out of control (meanwhile Trump and some other idiots there want it to explode even further) and Spain is the 2nd country to reach 200,000 cases. Turkey has knocked China out of 7th spot and Iran looks to knock them down another notch very soon. Russia also won the battle with Brazil to see who would knock Belgium out of 10th spot, and then Brazil put them down to 12th.

South Korea is now down to 24th spot, but Chile is closing in fast on them. Meanwhile Australia is now down to 37th spot, but Indonesia, the Philippines and Serbia all have eyes on that spot ATM.
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Message 2046102 - Posted: 21 Apr 2020, 0:24:35 UTC - in response to Message 2045739.  

Further articles confirming that the Corona virus is of natural origin as opposed to other various silly viral claims otherwise:


Claim That Covid-19 Came From Lab ... Completely Unfounded Scientists Say
wrote:
"... SARS-CoV-2 is not closely related to any previous viruses; it was never sequenced (even partially) in previous studies, and the COVID-19 outbreak began in November/December, as in previous SARS epidemic events (2002 and 2003)."

Hassanin said: "These two points suggest therefore that the current outbreak was not the consequence of a laboratory accident."...



There's an impressive worldwide body of scientists quoted there that demolishes the various'lab blame game' conspiracy stories.


One to quickly move on and away from before The Trump makes a war out of it to distract from his failings...

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