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Message 1993343 - Posted: 10 May 2019, 18:22:11 UTC

Radio transmission has been the way we have searched for alien messages almost since its invention. In the early 1900s, wireless communication pioneers Tesla and Marconi suspected that they could have stumbled upon signals from Martians. In 1960, Frank Drake conducted the first modern search with a radio telescope in Green Bank, West Virginia. Since then, radio SETI has matured with dramatic technological improvement including the advent of detectors covering millions of frequency channels, and more powerful telescopes and computational tools. Lasers were invented decades after radio. When they were, it became natural to wonder whether alien civilizations might use powerful lasers for interstellar communication via light. An initial consideration was whether they could transmit light signals which would be detectable against the background of their sun’s light. But by now Earthlings can produce laser pulses that can outshine our Sun. We imagine that ET could do far better.

Modern optical SETI surveys began around the year 2000. Searches by the Harvard SETI group led by Paul Horowitz, and by the University of California (Berkeley and San Diego) groups led by Dan Werthimer and Shelley Wright, have pointed telescopes equipped with “laser detectors” at roughly 10,000 stars to date. However, each individual star was viewed for 5-10 minutes or so. This is the barest beginning of a comprehensive optical search program. (Recalling our Drake Equation exercise last month, you will have had to predict at least tens of millions of communicating planets in our galaxy for this to amount to a search with a high probability of success.)

The next step would be the advent of laser SETI searches capable of continuous observations of much of the sky. This is the aim of the PANOSETI (Panoramic Optical SETI) project now in the advanced design stage by a consortium from the University of California, San Diego and Berkeley, Harvard University and the SETI Institute. PANOSETI will detect wavelengths ranging from optical into near-infrared, which suffers from less interstellar absorption. It will build fast-response detectors capable of catching very short pulses of light, positing that ET will use quick optical bursts so that its signals stand out from the noise of its background starlight. The major PANOSETI goal of continuous, wide-sky coverage is a significant advance over past brief glances per star. Quite possibly, a civilization with a program to beam signals to potential watchers in the galaxy would need to beam its super-lasers at defined directions at a time, taking some time to cover the whole sky before repeating its transmission in our direction. We would be likely to miss such a deliberate (or even accidental) transmission if we only watch any given star for ten minutes. “As a team, we want to design a dedicated optical SETI observatory that is capable of continuously monitoring the night sky for a bursting artificial or natural signal” said Shelley Wright, PANOSETI Principle Investigator. “Ultimately, we want to take a picture of the entire observable sky every nanosecond.”

To achieve continuous, wide coverage, PANOSETI will construct geodesic domes with up to 100 hexagonal-shaped modules that each consist of a telescope lens and dedicated detector pointing in a particular direction. When completed, all of the sky roughly 30 degrees above the horizon will be surveyed. Rather than traditional telescope lenses, each aperture will use a 0.5 meter Fresnel lens to focus light. This lens design is commonly used in light houses. Fresnel lenses are lighter and less expensive than standard telescope lenses and are adequate for the focusing specificity required here. Basically, one can think of a Fresnel lens as a typical convex lens of similar curvature but divided into a nested array of ring-shaped circles that are collapsed, allowing light to be focused from the full width of a lens that is far thinner than its spherical counterpart (see illustration below of a Fresnel lens and a plano-spherical lens of similar curvature). In each module, the lens is backed up by an array of photon counters that were originally designed for use in medical PET scanners and are capable of resolving light pulses as short as billionths of seconds. PANOSETI will be unique in the ability to record transient events lasting from less than nanoseconds to a few seconds in duration. Longer lasting pulses of light are the target of current telescopic programs searching for supernovae and other astronomical phenomenon, but this ultra-short duration window has not yet been opened in wide-field searches.

Like radio SETI, an over-riding concern is the recognition of alien communication amidst the plethora of unwanted human-made signals. Optical SETI should encounter fewer sources of false alarms than radio searches. Current SETI must sift through a background of “noise” from radio, TV, radar, cell phones and such. But we produce few lights that blink quickly and remain pointed from the direction of a single star. Blinking airplanes and satellites that move across the sky can easily be discerned. PANOSETI designers believe that cosmic rays would be a major source of interference. When a high energy cosmic ray strikes our atmosphere, it triggers a flash of light called Cherenkov radiation. One effective way to distinguish this and other local false alarms is to build pairs of PANOSETI domes separated by several kilometers or more. This also serves to eliminate signals caused by noise within a given detector.

The initial PANOSETI paired domes may be built within the next two years in California, followed by an observatory in the Southern Hemisphere. Each dome will begin to operate with one or a few functional modules, before expanding from the prototype phase to the full array to achieve nearly full-sky coverage. But even with just the first lens and detector element on line, it will see a larger area of the sky than previous light searches done with conventional telescopes.

The development of such optical and infrared SETI instrumentation will benefit astronomy beyond the search for intelligent signals. Transient phenomena have excited astronomers dating back to the observation of variable stars and supernovae hundreds of years ago, to the more recent discoveries of pulsars, gamma ray bursts, fast radio bursts and gravity waves, to name a few. But the ultra-short timescale of PANOSETI optical observation has barely been explored. When astronomers open new windows to observe the universe, new discoveries are made. That is the bonus of building this technology and collecting the data. It is an exciting prospect to supplement radio searching with “all-time, wide sky” searches to look for the strobe lights of a distant message from ET. As Dan Werthimer, one of the project leaders at Berkeley has said: “ We can outshine our own sun with the powerful lasers we have today, and we can do that for a billionth of a second or so. If we can do that, the chances are favorable
that other civilizations can do that too.”

Update on Oumuamua
In February I posted the article “Was Our Solar System Probed Last Year?” While Oumuamua is speeding away from us and better observations won’t be possible, interesting comments from you readers and follow-up publications from astronomers have not ceased. Among them, recent papers propose that it is an unusual comet that allows gentle outgassing which would have eluded detection, or that it is a low density aggregate of dust and ice kicked out of a protoplanetary disk. Meanwhile, Siraj and Loeb searched the data from an existing catalog of bright meteors observed in the past 30 years. By back-calculating from their recorded motion and velocity at impact, they determined that one of them, like Oumuamua, was too fast to have originated in our solar system, and was probably another interstellar visitor.

The PANOSETI research and instrumentation program is made possible by Qualcomm co-founder Franklin Antonio, also an active team member contributing significant engineering design. We thank the Bloomfield Family Foundation for supporting SETI research at UC San Diego in the CASS Optical and Infrared Laboratory. Harvard SETI is supported by The Planetary Society. UC Berkeley's SETI efforts involved with PANOSETI are supported by NSF grant 1407804, the Breakthrough Prize Foundation, and the Marilyn and Watson Alberts SETI Chair fund.
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Message 1993415 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 13:25:13 UTC - in response to Message 1993343.  

A very interesting article, thank you for posting! I can't imagine how much data the observatory would collect, but I would guess it would be magnitudes more than what is collected now. Would this data be analyzed on SETI@Home? If so, I would guess a new application would have to be written to be able to crunch the data.
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Message 1993422 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 13:58:10 UTC - in response to Message 1993343.  

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Message 1993450 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 19:09:49 UTC - in response to Message 1993415.  
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A very interesting article, thank you for posting! I can't imagine how much data the observatory would collect, but I would guess it would be magnitudes more than what is collected now. Would this data be analyzed on SETI@Home? If so, I would guess a new application would have to be written to be able to crunch the data.


I would also like to know this, because during trying to read the article I was midly distracted by the excitement of my computer processing data captured by lazers.
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Message 1993462 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 20:14:50 UTC

This continues to be an excellent series of posts. Keep them coming.
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Message 1993467 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 20:30:05 UTC - in response to Message 1993343.  

Thank you for this very interesting article.
You mentioned a time-scale of around 2 years to build two separated observatories, but when do you hope to have 'first light' for the first component detector of the first observatory?
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Message 1993470 - Posted: 11 May 2019, 20:43:56 UTC - in response to Message 1993415.  

There will only be data from sources that look like the target signal. Maybe that will be from zero to a few.
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Message 1993506 - Posted: 12 May 2019, 3:57:30 UTC - in response to Message 1993343.  

This is very inspiring, I am positive PANOSETI will become the most interesting move towards SETI. I will channel more resources toward PANOSETI. This article came at the peak of my expectations. Thank you
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Message 1993574 - Posted: 12 May 2019, 20:28:56 UTC - in response to Message 1993343.  

Bien por Panoseti !!
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Message 1993699 - Posted: 14 May 2019, 4:56:31 UTC - in response to Message 1993343.  

Great Stuff keep it coming I always learn something new and that's why science is to me so exhilarating! Even right now I'm watching "How The Universe Works: the Big Bang" as hosted by Mike Rowe. However, Mr. Lawn, won't we as a technological society be surprised when we fire up our big, powerful, billion dollar pulsar conglomerates to communicate with another world, and the top scientists of their time gather in huddled anticipation to reply back using redirected sunlight via mirror? And hey! If Andromeda is on a collision course with the Milky Way in a universe where everything is supposed to be expanding away from everything else...
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Message 1994001 - Posted: 17 May 2019, 13:31:32 UTC

Interesting article, I was wondering if an approach where you scanned and analysed the optical data to establish a baseline of what is a 'normal' night sky.

Once you have that, it is easier to spot the 'unusual' occurrences and create a program to eliminate fluctuations which are caused by satellites, planes, normal flicker from atmosphere etc.

Instead of analysing all the data all the time, just look for aberrations!
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Message 1994018 - Posted: 17 May 2019, 15:40:04 UTC - in response to Message 1994001.  

Interesting article, I was wondering if an approach where you scanned and analysed the optical data to establish a baseline of what is a 'normal' night sky.

Once you have that, it is easier to spot the 'unusual' occurrences and create a program to eliminate fluctuations which are caused by satellites, planes, normal flicker from atmosphere etc.

Instead of analysing all the data all the time, just look for aberrations!


Comparing and storing difference (aberrations) is very much the idea.

In some way similar to the way moving gifs and other forms of video compression work as well as motion detection.

(Compression by difference does have a downside. If you don't store or have the previous frames or photos you can't reconstruct a full picture. So storage of images would probably be full frame by frame.)

This is where all those different funcky filters and extrapolations come into play. (IE: Face detection type stuff.)

It would be interesting to see what methods are used to solve the issues you suggest Kimuta1.


I am also interested in the idea of prismatic (fresnel) type lenses as the output can be used spectographically as well. (I'm also wondering if they could be used to produce marginal 3d imagery?)

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Message 1994924 - Posted: 23 May 2019, 22:40:26 UTC - in response to Message 1994018.  

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I am also interested in the idea of prismatic (fresnel) type lenses as the output can be used spectographically as well. (I'm also wondering if they could be used to produce marginal 3d imagery?)

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Any time two or more photos are taken of the same object, area, or space, from set distances you can make 3D photos and maps.
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Message 2003433 - Posted: 20 Jul 2019, 16:26:36 UTC

This is a new and interesting method of searching for ET. Radio telescopes are generally in desolate places and are not significently bothered by atnospheric interferance. These new devices are optical and will need to be better located. The recent protests at Mauna Kea are of concern. There are already 13 telescopes on "sacred grounds" at the top of Mauna Kea and a much larger one is under construction. The most recent news of the protests show that the existing facilities were all abandoned out of concern for the scientests as well as the constructions workers . Hopefully some agreement can be reached to allow construction. I personally think it is time to move this technology out to space. Preferably in orbit or possibly on the surface of the moon. I also feel that any search for ET needs to be piggybacked on other funding such as search for near earth orbit asteroids that can end civilization on our planet. There are several mentions of the drake equation in this thread. AFAICT there has been no serious calculations of the likelihood of intelligent life even arising. Dinosaurs would still be running amok on Earth if it was not for that asteroid that hit earth at the right places and with the right amount of energy at the right time.
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