Have you tried the latest 4009 BIOS'es, or read anything about them?

I'm downloading at the moment, will report if I see improvements.

Yes, I grabbed the 4008 BIOS as soon as I saw it posted in the forums. Spent a good portion of yesterday testing it. I tried to get my cpu overclock higher and back to what it was on the earlier BIOS. Failed.

I tried to get the memory overclock higher and back to what it was in earlier BIOS'. Failed.

So back to my previous stable overclock that I have had for the previous 3 BIOS releases. The BIOS' seem to be mostly spinning their wheels or going backwards. Unless you are considering one of the 2nd generation cpus, there is no reason to upgrade.

And based on my cursory review of the 2700X reviews that embargo lifted this morning, I see no reason to upgrade to those cpus either. All the tests were done with the stock cooler but they still had to use insane Vcore voltages to get 4.2Ghz running mostly stable. The only positive thing I got from all the reviews was that the Vcore voltage to achieve an easy 4Ghz was at very low voltage compared to 1st gen 1700X. And I will state that was achieved simply because of the feature size reduction from 14nm to 12nm.

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Well, that test didn't last long.

I installed the BIOS, went into BIOS, and set the same settings as before, with the exception of letting the RAM run at its specified 3200MHz.

Booted windows and started using it. The computer crashed with a blue screen within 10 minutes....

I have rebooted now, with 3133MHz RAM, where it was stable on the 3805 Bios.

I hope it still is.....

I have read that the ProcODT had gone back to best at 53.3. So I tried that for my 3333Mhz test. It passed my stressapptest memory testing and it got past the OCCT test. But it rebooted a couple of times under BOINC load.

I have since gone back to my 48 ohms ProcODT at 3200Mhz. I tried pushing the memory voltage up to 1.40V to try and get 3333 stable but it wouldn't pass stressapptest. The memory runs better at lower voltage. I really should try and see how low I can go with the memory voltage at 3200Mhz. That seems to be the gist of any improvement from the 4008 BIOS.

I did discover that ProcODT Auto defaults to 60 ohms now. Previous Auto under the older BIOS' was 53.3 ohms. I can't get any of the Ryzen Memory Tester FAST profiles to survive testing. So now am running the 3200Mhz Safe profile with just the first four timings set for CL14, Trfc at Safe and the rest all on Auto. I did try a memory latency and throughput test for tRAS at 34 and 36. Turns out the slower 36 timing had better latency and memory throughput. None of the Rzyen Memory Tester Safe or Fast secondary or tertiary timings were stable. So that's why I am at stock Auto for those.

So ended up at 14-14-14-14-36-52-416.

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Well it seems our experiences match.

I am actually considering the 2700X, perhaps even a new build with it.

I agree that its a small evolution of the original Ryzens, but the Precision boost 2 technology does seem to work much better than Pb1.

Perhaps to a point where I would leave the CPU at stock, and leave clocks up to its internal management.

I don't have the money for the change right now, so It'll have to wait, and that wont be a problem. With some luck the prices will go down before I purchase, if I decide to do so.

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I plan on upgrading the two FX system to Ryzen+. What I am really pi$$ed about is that the pre-release early order list price for the Prime Pro X470 was $185 at both Amazon and Newegg. Today the list price is $242. That certainly looks like price gouging to me.

I said I wasn't going to go down the pre-order road like I did at Ryzen 1 launch and wait for the reviews to come in. Now it looks like I am going to get burned anyway. I am seriously considering getting the older Crosshair Hero VI. The Hero VII isn't released yet until the 26th. We know that the best memory training and compatibility was on the Hero since it got all of ASUS' love compared to the Prime.

The only reason I am waiting on ordering SOMETHING is that I wanted to cool off the Amazon Prime CC for one billing period. I went hog wild the last two months getting every host outfitted with at least 3 gpus and preferably Hybrid.

I'd like to see some of the other board manufacturer X470 reviews. I might just jump ship to Gigabyte or ASROCK. At least some of their X470 product offerings are priced reasonably. I will be reading the forum threads every day since a few members said they had pre-ordered and they should be building systems this weekend.

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Here is a screen grab from GamersNexus showing the voltages necessary voltages for 4Ghz on Ryzen 2700X versus Ryzen 1700 on the Blender test.

GamersNexux 2700X Vcore-Blender

This is the best reason to upgrade to Ryzen+ I just can't believe how low that voltage is. Is reminiscent to the low Vcore voltages that Threadripper needs for 4 Ghz. Threadripper used the best 1% cherry picked dies from Ryzen 1 for those products. It is almost like the 2700X is using cherry picked dies. But I believe the reason is simply because of the feature size shrink to 12nm.

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Yess the Zen+ is doing nice up until 4Ghz (plus a litlle more), but clearly still hits a frequency wall at higher frequencies.

Voltage requirements for higher clocks then seem to go upwards quickly.

Still this CPU will probably do up towards 4GHz with all cores loaded, if the cooling is sufficient, when set to automatic.

I would also think about a good X370 board, they are probably going to be cheap now.

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Just placed an order for parts for a new machine, have not played around with AMD or high end graphics cards for a long while.

It will take a couple of weeks to get the parts and assemble them, then I may need a few tips on optimising the system.

TR1950 on a X399 ROG ZENITH EXTREME, with 32GB 3200mhz Samsung B die

Asus 1080ti rog strix oc cards

It will be fully watercooled so I am going to have a lot of fun putting it together:-)

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Kevin

That's the consensus of the reviews I've read. At stock on Auto everything, the new 2700X will run at 4 Ghz all cores loaded as long as the thermal solution is enough to handle the 200W of power dissipation.

The primary benefit of the new X470 boards is the better design of the memory traces to allow DDR4-2933 as the stock memory setting. The older X370 boards will always have a challenge running the higher memory speeds. As long as the X370 boards have a decent VRM design, they will handle the new 2000 series cpus with no issues and will be able to clock much higher than the 1000 series cpus at much lower VIDs and Vcore voltages.

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Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours

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Just placed an order for parts for a new machine, have not played around with AMD or high end graphics cards for a long while.

It will take a couple of weeks to get the parts and assemble them, then I may need a few tips on optimising the system.

TR1950 on a X399 ROG ZENITH EXTREME, with 32GB 3200mhz Samsung B die

Asus 1080ti rog strix oc cards

It will be fully watercooled so I am going to have a lot of fun putting it together:-)

That's a very good choice for motherboard. In case you missed my posts referencing the ASUS ROG ZE thread I read, you should start reading and lurking to find the current status of the board.

ASUS ROG Zenith Extreme X399 ThreadRipper Overclocking / Support

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It will be fully watercooled so I am going to have a lot of fun putting it together:-)

At present, there appears to be only 1 AIO water cooler specifically for Threadripper- Enermax Liqtech TR4. It'd be that or custom cooling.
All the other ready to go ones have adaptor brackets, but the water block doesn't cover the whole CPU surface, so the cooling isn't as good as it should be (I can't find the site at the moment- but they did a review of the latest Noctua cooler specifically for Threadripper & compared it to the model it was based on which has a smaller base, but the same fans, pipes, fins etc. From memory just by having a larger base when torturing the CPU it's temperature was about 10°c lower with the TR4 specific cooler).

Here we go, found the comparison.
Noctua NH-U14S v Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3

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Grant
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The primary benefit of the new X470 boards is the better design of the memory traces to allow DDR4-2933 as the stock memory setting. The older X370 boards will always have a challenge running the higher memory speeds. As long as the X370 boards have a decent VRM design, they will handle the new 2000 series cpus with no issues and will be able to clock much higher than the 1000 series cpus at much lower VIDs and Vcore voltages.

Came across a review today where they compared Ryzen2 to the original, and used some new X470 boards.
Memory that wouldn't run with the original Ryzens/boards worked first time with no fiddling with the new Ryzen2 & boards.

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Grant
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It will be fully watercooled so I am going to have a lot of fun putting it together:-)

That's a very good choice for motherboard. In case you missed my posts referencing the ASUS ROG ZE thread I read, you should start reading and lurking to find the current status of the board.

ASUS ROG Zenith Extreme X399 ThreadRipper Overclocking / Support

Bookmarked for reference. Have been mainly watching OCUK forums.

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Kevin

At present, there appears to be only 1 AIO water cooler specifically for Threadripper

Will be using XSPC RayStorm Neo waterblock combined with OcUK Techlabs watercooled Asus cards. Hence part of the delay before building, they are custom built.

Will be a combined twin loop cooling solution.

I will start a new thread as soon as I start building.

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Kevin

Sounds nice. The XSPC Raystorm NEO waterblock came out king of the heap in all the custom loop TR4 waterblocks in performance. Hadn't heard of the OcUK TechLabs waterblocks for gpus before. Will have to do some research.

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Sounds nice. The XSPC Raystorm NEO waterblock came out king of the heap in all the custom loop TR4 waterblocks in performance. Hadn't heard of the OcUK TechLabs waterblocks for gpus before. Will have to do some research.

Sorry my wrong:-(

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-gtx-1080-ti-rog-strix-oc-rgb-water-cooled-graphics-card-black-wc-309-ok.html

Its a new card fitted with a Phanteks Waterblock, built by OcUK TechLabs, decided to go this way instead of fitting the blocks myself, they come with 2 yr warranty.

There are limits to my building skills:-)

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Kevin

Will be following your build progress report. Is this your first foray into custom water cooling? I just did my first earlier in the year when I went from an AIO solution to custom with a gpu and cpu in the loop. Definitely a lot harder than I expected. And much more costly. The fittings alone cost as much as the individual main pieces. But the liquid cooled gpu solved some thermal control issues with the other air cooled gpus.

If you have the case for it, an all hybrid gpu build is easy to put together and you no longer have to worry about thermal control. My latest is built that way. A tenth the time to put together compared to the custom loop. So now I have experience with both techniques and know the benefits and shortcomings of each.

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Both my current machines are AIO on CPU, but it will be my first attempt at custom loop.

Fittings are a fair amount of total cost, and it is only a soft line setup, I shall leave hard line for the next time:-)

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Kevin

I did soft line for my first attempt. The various adapters, right-angles, 45° fittings, ball valve etc, etc really add up with just 4 main components in the loop. Use good quality soft line to start with. I used the provided PVC line in my custom kit at first. It ended up shedding and contaminating the cpu block with dissolved plasticizers in less than 6 months. Forced me to tear the loop apart and start from scratch when I added the EVGA GTX 1080Ti Hydro Copper card. I used the PrimoChill Advanced LRT tubing and it seems to be doing fine compared to the cheap PVC that the kit supplied.

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Mayhems fluid and and tubing, EK fittings +pumps + rads, with Phanteks fittings + hardline between GPU's.

Fans will be a mixture of Noiseblocker and Be Quiet.

No fancy colours or lights planned.

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Kevin

Just an update.

Yesterday I updated to the newly released 4011 bios for my board.

There have been varying reports of succes, but on my system, with my G-Skill FlareX, that are rated to 3200Mhz, I seem to have gained complete stability at 3200Mhz. At least it ran for nearly 24h without crashing.

Now I have even been able to boot and run at 3400Mhz, which I decided to try due to reports from another user with the same RAM. I have never been able to even boot at that speed before.

Even at 3400, the system seems stable.

I'll have to run it for some days before I can say for sure if its reliable, but it does seem the 4011 bios is an improvement over 4009.

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