On 'the memo'.......

If the russian dossier or other information was fake and for partisan political reasons, was knowingly used to get a FISA Warrant...

......the 'bullet points' (always find that term fascinating) so far leaked, would appear to remove the 'if' from your post Clyde.

Awaiting the Democrat Party, FBI, DOJ, etc. factual reply.

Until then. Suspending judgement.

Edit: As I have repeatedly posted. I don't trust either side and dismiss their political accusations.

Let the facts, remember facts, fall wherever they may.

The FBI investigation was started because of a report from Australia about Papadopoulos not the Steele report.
Therefore 99% of what the GOP is getting all hot and bothered about is bogus.

The FBI investigation was started because of a report from Australia about Papadopoulos not the Steele report.
Therefore 99% of what the GOP is getting all hot and bothered about is bogus.

Facts don't matter, what does is if the Republicans are able to deflect.

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Awaiting the Democrat Party, FBI, DOJ, etc. factual reply.

Until then. Suspending judgement.

Edit: As I have repeatedly posted. I don't trust either side and dismiss their political accusations.

Let the facts, remember facts, fall wherever they may.

Absolutely correct. I think the Dim memo will be a translation into DimSpin, the FIB and DOJ responses will be 'Donkey Blankets', and all will now scramble for 'King of the Hill'.

The document I'm waiting to see is the I.G. report on the FIB (mis)handling of the Hill-Liary email coverup, and where that leads......

....it ain't over yet, but I think there is no doubt the Russians did attempt to damage the American electoral system. Possibly in more than one way. That is what Mueller is supposed to be investigating, not trying find a crime with which to blame the prejudged criminal.

The sad truth is the Russian plan succeeded, perhaps not in the manner intended but they have hamstrung the legislative process with myriad hearings and bipartisan rancor. And more importantly they have undermined the faith of the citizens in their justice system, the law enforcement and intelligence communities, and caused them to deeply question the morals of leaders whom were thought to be above such machinations.

The Russian plan has not destroyed America but has deeply wounded it. Housecleaning and Healing are both needed.

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The FBI investigation was started because of a report from Australia about Papadopoulos not the Steele report.
Therefore 99% of what the GOP is getting all hot and bothered about is bogus.

Facts don't matter, what does is if the Republicans are able to deflect.

The teflon sprayers are at full blast, but at this rate they will run out in a few months. Then it will be Nixonian. Except different. Nixon put country first and gave up the tapes and quit. 45? coup d'etat?

How about wall street. Dow off that magic number 666. Must be all that good news about 45. How fantastic his tax cut is. How great the memo is. Or is it because Wall street isn't wearing blinders?

How about wall street. Dow off that magic number 666. Must be all that good news about 45. How fantastic his tax cut is. How great the memo is. Or is it because Wall street isn't wearing blinders?

Non story. A correction is always around the corner.

I'd rather take a 5% haircut on a 38% gain, than be in BitCoin............what was it today? $8,500? From a high of $19,000 30 days ago, that's..................55% down? And holders own a piece of what?

I'll bet on Trump's Greater America thank you.

Just like cops who everyday swear out fake statements to raid political opponents of the police chief then plant evidence

We had our 2nd funeral in 30 days here, thank you for that 'tribute' Gary.........

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....it ain't over yet, but I think there is no doubt the Russians did attempt to damage the American electoral system. Possibly in more than one way. That is what Mueller is supposed to be investigating, not trying find a crime with which to blame the prejudged criminal.
That is what the grand jury will do, not Mueller.

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We had our 2nd funeral in 30 days here, thank you for that 'tribute' Gary...

I don't think anyone here including Gary doubts that the majority of police officers are decent and will put their lives on the line in the course of their duties. The first one's death is especially heartbreaking as he was pleading with the man who eventually shot him "Let me help you..." That (as has been discussed to death in the relevant thread) isn't the issue, but instead the system's failure to take action against those who abuse their office, or sometimes even acknowledge that such a thing exists.

(I note that one of the ironies of this is that one of the largest beneficiaries of a corrupt police force is the narcotics trade with its large amount of "easy money" to throw around (and of course I don't mean marijuana. but the seriously addictive and potentially lethal stuff) so it's in the interest of "law and order" proponents to ensure the police have external oversight. Too often (think NYC in the 1970s) the corruption can run all the way to the top where everyone is either in it or doesn't care/looks the other way.)

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the corruption can run all the way to the top where everyone is either in it or doesn't care/looks the other way.)

If you see something say something, or you are a co-conspirator. To many were taught hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil from their training officer and their union. Those need a special condition on their sentence that they can not be put into administrative segregation.

Yawn.

Cheers.

A Prosecutor/Special... already believing there to be an Indictable Crime. Presents one side of the evidence to a Grand Jury and attempts to get them to agree with his/her prejudgement.

As I said a grand jury will make a ruling not Mueller.

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That is what Mueller is supposed to be investigating, not trying find a crime with which to blame the prejudged criminal.

Eye, so you are saying that if LE is investigating a bank robbery and they find evidence of a rape they should ignore it?
You make a good point, I like it.

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Since most are guilty, the "Indict a Ham Sandwich" doesn't matter.

But if the prejudgment of the Prosecutor is incorrect or politically motivated...

And a real criminal jury will decide unless it is potus, then what matters are the elections this fall.

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That is what Mueller is supposed to be investigating, not trying find a crime with which to blame the prejudged criminal.

Eye, so you are saying that if LE is investigating a bank robbery and they find evidence of a rape they should ignore it?
You make a good point, I like it.

Like a search warrant for Joe Blow who is supposed to be in Sally Sweet's house. They serve it and 20 kilos of blow are sitting on the kitchen table with a couple of grenade launchers and a suitcase stuffed full of Benjamin's. Since it isn't Joe Blow they are required to ignore it. Thank you for the moral lesson. We are getting a series of great lessons on GOP morals, like rights and uninstalling. Keep it up!

Sorry, couldn't resist.............too funny.............

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....it ain't over yet, but I think there is no doubt the Russians did attempt to damage the American electoral system.

Russia hasn't attempt to damage the American electoral system. They don't have to.
What Russia done and still doing is spreading tons of disinformation on elections, mostly on the social media, but also to journalists and politicians.
When politicians makes wrong desicions, journalists reporting fake news and many voters now don't know what to believe...
Putin have worked with this for more than 40 years.

Re: Memo

Appears that the attack against the release is not that it is false. But it will damage the reputation of the FBI, DOJ, etc.

Using a known false Dossier to accuse an innocent American of being a Russian Spy in order to influence our election by the above mentioned.

Is the real scandal.

The only way that the FBI, DOJ, etc. can reclaim their self-destroyed reputation. Is that those involved in this attack against our democracy, must be brought to justice.

Have the FBI said they used a "fake Dossier" as I said earlier the inquiry into Trump's associates links to Russia was first started because of a lead from Australia before the Steele document was in the FBI's hands.

An accurate timeline of all these events needs to be drawn up before anyone can start throwing accusations.

Trump now says its about transparency. Maybe we should have ha transparency from the start and the FBI should have publicly announced their investigation into Russian links when it started in 2016, before the election.

P.S. Where's the Schiff memo?

Re: Memo
Appears that the attack against the release is not that it is false. But it will damage the reputation of the FBI, DOJ, etc.
Using a known false Dossier to accuse an innocent American of being a Russian Spy in order to influence our election by the above mentioned.
Is the real scandal.
The only way that the FBI, DOJ, etc. can reclaim their self-destroyed reputation. Is that those involved in this attack against our democracy, must be brought to justice.

Sen. John McCain blasted President Trump for approving the release of a highly controversial memo, saying "if we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him".
McCain, who chairs the Senate Armed Forces Committee, called on Trump and other elected officials to stop looking at special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation through "the warped lens of politics."
http://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/john-mccain-nunes-memo/index.html?sr=twCNN020218john-mccain-nunes-memo1005PMVODtop
What was Trump thinking when approving to release the memo?

Re: Memo

Appears that the attack against the release is not that it is false. But it will damage the reputation of the FBI, DOJ, etc.

Using a known false Dossier to accuse an innocent American of being a Russian Spy in order to influence our election by the above mentioned.

Is the real scandal.

The only way that the FBI, DOJ, etc. can reclaim their self-destroyed reputation. Is that those involved in this attack against our democracy, must be brought to justice.

Have the FBI said they used a "fake Dossier" as I said earlier the inquiry into Trump's associates links to Russia was first started because of a lead from Australia before the Steele document was in the FBI's hands.

An accurate timeline of all these events needs to be drawn up before anyone can start throwing accusations.

Trump now says its about transparency. Maybe we should have ha transparency from the start and the FBI should have publicly announced their investigation into Russian links when it started in 2016, before the election.

As I previously posted, the I.G. report on the FIB and it's various lies, diversions and coverup in Hill-Liary's case will shed more light on the internal workings and the 'deep' agents.

More heads are gonna roll than seen since Marie Antoinette' s court.

More worrisome is the 'deep state' at DOJ. It appears Sessions is as feckless as AG as he was a Senator. He apparently doesn't have the guts to clean house and the Civil Service regulations and Unions have other hands tied. It's time for a Civil Service reform too. It's that black stinky mud you always find at the bottom of a Swamp.......new motto.........."Drain AND Dredge the Swamp".

America needs clean bedrock to build an honest and dedicated DOJ with people who want to serve the American People instead of themselves.

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They have admitted that the FISA warrant request regarding the dossier, used unconfirmed news accounts which relied upon the preparer's of the dossier, Fusion GPS and Steele. This is not sufficient.

And further admitted that those 'news' stories were shopped around to outlets by the dossier's creators (STEELE) creating a circular corroboration when (I believe it was) Yahoo picked it up.

https://conservativetribune.com/5-damning-truths-from-fisa-memo/
"...the FISA warrant application cited as corroborating evidence an article in Yahoo News written by Michael Isikoff that was published on Sept. 23, 2016 and focused on a trip to Moscow made by Page in July 2016.

But that Yahoo News article couldn’t really be considered “corroboration” of the dossier compiled by Steele, as it was revealed that Steele himself had provided the information upon which this article was based to Isikoff. This tactic is known as circular sourcing, or making a single source of information appear as though it is coming from multiple independent sources."

This raises the point of just how thoroughly the FISA court actually vet an application. Do they overly rely on the 'integrity' of the entity requesting the warrant? If so I can't imagine ANY judge who would like their nose rubbed in this obvious error of judgement.

Possibly irreparable damage has been done to the FISA system by the false presenters.

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