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Message 2101896 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 17:02:14 UTC

"The court has done what it has never done before. It has expressly taken away a constitutional right that is so fundamental to so many Americans," he says.
"There will be real and immediate consequences," he says, noting some state laws will go into place immediately that ban abortion.
This decision is "so extreme that women and girls are forced to bear their rapist's child".
Biden pauses, seemingly overwhelmed by emotion.
"it just stuns me," he says.
"Imagine a woman having to carry a child that was the consequence of incest," he says. "It's cruel."
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Message 2101897 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 17:02:56 UTC

In his remarks, Biden said that women in states where abortion restrictions are now in place will be free to travel to other parts of the country to receive abortion care.
“My administration will defend that bedrock right,” he said, adding that no official will be able to interfere with a woman’s right to travel.
Additionally, Biden said his administration will “protect access to medication…like contraception”.
He also said he will protect access to abortion medication that have been approved by authorities 20 years ago.
Biden, however, warned that he believes “maternal mortality will climb in America” in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision.
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Message 2101898 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 17:04:00 UTC
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Closing his brief remarks, Biden asks everyone, on all sides of the abortion debate, "to keep all protests peaceful, peaceful peaceful".
"Violence is never acceptable,” he says. "Threats and intimidation are not speech".
Finally, Biden addresses American women, saying he knows they will now face "incredibly difficult situations. I hear you. I support you. I stand with you".

At the conclusion of his brief remarks, Biden said that the US people "can still have the final word" in the ongoing fight for abortion rights in the US.
"This is not over," he said.
Biden took no questions from journalists at the White House.

Welcome to the latest banana republic.
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Message 2101899 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 17:28:51 UTC - in response to Message 2101897.  
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In his remarks, Biden said that women in states where abortion restrictions are now in place will be free to travel to other parts of the country to receive abortion care.


Pence's first comment on this was that they will be pushing for a national ban bill, probably equating abortion with homicide. If the Republicans take Congress in the midterms, will certainly author this, and have it promptly vetoed if it passes.

I wonder if post-pubescent females crossing the border from red states into Canada are now going to have to undergo mandatory ultrasounds in case they are crossing for an abortion, as well as many other side effects of this decision. There will be plenty of women who die because of this because many states don't have an exception to save the woman's life in case of complications requiring medical intervention, but since most of them will be poor and not Republican (so not as likely white) nothing will be done. Wealthy Republicans will still be able to get abortions when they want.

Sharon Stone indicated today she had nine miscarriages. US women can look forward to a future of possibly being criminally investigated whenever they have one, and I'm sure many will be charged and convicted for it.

In this case, that the US is a litigatious society may be a way out of this: I would strongly urge women (or their surviving families) who are injured or die because they were legislatively denied the right to a medical procedure to sue their state governments for as many tens of millions of dollars as the law will allow. Money talks.
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Message 2101900 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 18:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 2101899.  
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In this case, that the US is a litigatious society may be a way out of this: I would strongly urge women (or their surviving families) who are injured or die because they were legislatively denied the right to a medical procedure to sue their state governments for as many tens of millions of dollars as the law will allow. Money talks.
Then watch the pro-lifers scream blue murder by stating that they don't pay their taxes for it to be given to murderers.

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Wonder what the shareholders in contraceptive companies are feeling right now?
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Message 2101902 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 18:30:13 UTC

God help America if this is the face of its future!
'We are closer to a more perfect union'

Catriona Fee is a 20-year-old conservative from New York.
"My immediate reaction was joy. I think Roe was wrongly decided and the opinion was unconstitutional. And I was really excited that the court thought the same.
Finally, Roe is back to the ash heap of history where it belongs. I think this ruling moves us closer to that more perfect union, as unborn individuals still in their mother's womb now have greater protection under the law.

Ultimately, it's up to the states to decide. But it's also something that signals how much more work the pro-life movement needs to do. Thirteen states have trigger laws that will ban or fully restrict abortion, and we need to get those numbers up.
We need to make sure that unborn life is protected to the fullest extent of the law in all 50 states. So it's definitely encouraging - a wonderful, wonderful thing. But we've got lots of work to do.
I think that the goal of the life movement always has been and now should be even more so to make abortion unthinkable, not just illegal."

I wonder what her views will be in 20 years time if any children she has are murdered in a school shooting?
Will she put in as much effort to ban guns?
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Message 2101903 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 18:34:18 UTC - in response to Message 2101902.  

I wonder what her views will be in 20 years time if any children she has are murdered in a school shooting?
Will she put in as much effort to ban guns?


The politicians need to offset the population loss from all the expected gun deaths. A few million unwanted babies should do that. A disproportionate number will also become criminals due to being unwanted, thus more money for the police and courts. It's a win-win...
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Message 2101904 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 18:41:10 UTC - in response to Message 2101903.  
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Must confess, never thought about that angle.
However, it will be a boon for tourism in the RotW.
All those lovely vacationers travelling to a country with legal abortion. :-)
All that profit for the airlines.
Pretty sure that the airline lobbyists will pressurise the numpties in power to NOT interfere in curtailing those profits.
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As for banning contraceptives, well...
Market to reach $20.5 billion by 2026
Any ban surely has to impact some American companies to a fairly large degree. How many American pension funds hold shares in contraceptive companies?
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Message 2101906 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:15:55 UTC

If You Want CONTROL of Your Body, Take CONTROL.

Don't Allow a PENILE IMPLANT ifN you Can CONCIEVE.

SIMPLE.

CONTROL PENILE IMPLANTs

Yes, I Understand Rape and Any Other 'Forced' PENILE IMPLANT is Sometimes Impossible for a Woman to 'CONTROL'

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Message 2101907 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:20:51 UTC

Sweet jesus.
I can't believe what I'm reading.
1 thing I find amazing the BBC - no biased reporting.
All the info recently posted has come from BBC Live.
One source of support for the Supreme Court has been the Vatican’s Academy for Life, which praised the decision by saying it “challenges the whole world”.
That source has royally p'ed me off.

Early in the life of this thread, I posted a personal experience regarding abortion.
A follow up to that is this, especially regarding the quoted source.
It's amazing how religious nutjobs think. Bear in mind that the breeding factory was catholic & that abortion & contraception was banned as it is "sinful".

3 births (4th pregnancy - 1st miscarried) - 1 male followed by 2 female.
Xmas/New Year 6*/6* wanted an even split 2 & 2
Out popped another female 6*
Following year, wanted another son - out popped another female 6*
Several years later still wanted another son. Out popped another female 6*
Several years later, still wanted another son so out popped a male 7* - SUCCESS.
Still wanted an even number so out popped another female 7*

& all because the lady loves...
...the church.
So decades later cannot understand why she called the poice on her son (who had no knowledge) over a daughter having not 1 but 2 abortions.
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Message 2101909 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 2101906.  
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If You Want CONTROL of Your Body, Take CONTROL.

Don't Allow a PENILE IMPLANT ifN you Can CONCIEVE.


Exactly how does your utterly worthless and useless "advice" help a married woman who wants to have a baby but has an ectopic pregnancy and is going to die because her state banned the required termination of it without exception for the life of the mother?

I asked someone else this before and didn't get an answer for some reason. Maybe I will get one this time. Looking forward!
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Message 2101912 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:27:53 UTC

The U.S. is certainly stepping backwards into the dark ages. :-(
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Message 2101913 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:36:34 UTC

You didn't answer that the first time I asked either.


You Go Where They Will Do Operation.

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Message 2101915 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:51:06 UTC - in response to Message 2101913.  
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You Go Where They Will Do Operation.


Oops... Republican POTUS 2024, it's now homicide nationwide, nowhere to go in enough time. Patient bled to death.

Good try though.


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Message 2101917 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:51:34 UTC

Another fact on that personal experience.
On the 3rd birth, that breeding factory was informed by the doctors, not have any more children as next time, it may kill you.
So it buggers off to live in England.
New doctors, new medical record.
4th birth, she ended up hemorrhaging & nearly died.
Still went on to have another 4.

The Vatican's Academy of Life loves breeding factories.
I would not be surprised if they would welcome back the days of the Spanish inquisition.
All those "lovely" soldiers of Christ performing their duties as would also those that took part in Salem & those future "Matthew Hopkins" here in the UK.
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Message 2101920 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:56:14 UTC

EMERGENCY ROOM

Tell Me Any ER - No Matter wat Law Says -Will Turn Away a Woman Needing an Operation to SAVE HER LIFE.

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Message 2101921 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 19:59:18 UTC - in response to Message 2101920.  
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EMERGENCY ROOM

Tell Me Any ER - No Matter wat Law Says -Will Turn Away a Woman Needing an Operation to SAVE HER LIFE.


Most of them.

I was astounded by how often patients were turned away from emergency rooms and their doctor’s offices in the middle of their miscarriages. No wonder Alabama has the third-highest maternal mortality rate in the nation, I initially thought. People are denied urgent medical attention outright, which left me wondering at first if health care providers were simply negligent and not keeping up with their medical education. Or was this lack of care a reflection of discrimination? Eventually, I landed on discrimination as the cause.


Medical providers who treat pregnancy-related issues in red states exist in a constant state of fear of performing any procedure that can be classified as an abortion—even while the procedures remain legal. We know that we face the risk of being prosecuted, having our licenses revoked, or even being thrown in jail if we fail to precisely follow every regulation, no matter how arcane or medically unnecessary it is. (We can be cited if the clinic’s janitor’s closet isn’t the size deemed appropriate by the state, for example.)


You expect a doctor to risk loss of their medical license and jail time? Hah. Not in a for-profit health system at least.
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Message 2101922 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 20:11:23 UTC

Back in da Day - Before R v W - A Woman Could Find an 'Abortionist' or a 'Doctor' to do Almost Any Procedure with Cash in Hand. Some Would
'DO IT' out of GOoDness of Heart and Maybe Get Paid Later.

No Matter What Situation; Laws; No Law; This Country and Many Other Countries Will Find a Way For SomeOne to DIE.

Please Tell Me a Country Where NO ONE EVER Dies Needlessly.

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Message 2101923 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 20:13:12 UTC - in response to Message 2101922.  
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Please Tell Me a Country Where NO ONE EVER Dies Needlessly.


We should cancel all medicine then, because since people die needlessly anyway what's the point.
Oh also clearly God wanted them to die so who are we to question His Divine Will.
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Message 2101924 - Posted: 24 Jun 2022, 20:37:53 UTC - in response to Message 2101923.  

Stop it Mr Kevvy, you're making my sides hurt.
I died twice in 59, only for a minute or 2 each time.
For years afterwards, the religious nutjob told everyone that I had a new soul as my last 2 went to heaven.
I kid you not, I had to endure that crap for over 3 decades. :-(

Until starting secondary school, I had to take my sisters to church every Sunday & had no choice.
From secondary school days, never entered a church (exceptions - weddings, christenings & funerals).
Every Sunday for a few months the arguments were loud until the old man interfered & TOLD me I'm going to church.
My response.

Okay ONLY after you explain to me why we never see you in church.
Arguments ended & never attended on Sundays, or any other day since.
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