Abortion and Birth Control

Message boards : Politics : Abortion and Birth Control
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 5 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Gary CharpentierCrowdfunding Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 20706
Credit: 29,208,081
RAC: 26,262
United States
Message 1873432 - Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 21:40:08 UTC - in response to Message 1873425.  

We need to decide where to stop being stupid with spending, not finding more to spend.

But that's what most politicians does for a living.

As long as the population grows, more spending is required. Of course Republicans are opposed to Planned Parenthood, such logic.
ID: 1873432 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 13981
Credit: 653,113
RAC: 42
Sweden
Message 1873435 - Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 21:57:42 UTC - in response to Message 1873432.  
Last modified: 16 Jun 2017, 22:03:02 UTC

As long as the population grows, more spending is required.

Parkinson's Law will also set in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law
ID: 1873435 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile CLYDEProject Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 9 Aug 99
Posts: 9946
Credit: 41,869,901
RAC: 19,728
United States
Message 1873457 - Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 23:49:57 UTC - in response to Message 1873432.  

We need to decide where to stop being stupid with spending, not finding more to spend.

But that's what most politicians does for a living.

As long as the population grows, more spending is required. Of course Republicans are opposed to Planned Parenthood, such logic.

Or perhaps selling aborted fetuses for a profit.

Being Pro Women's Rights. Doesn't mean that one has to accept that there aren't better and more ethical alternatives to Planned Parenthood.
ID: 1873457 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile JaundicedEyeProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Mar 12
Posts: 3058
Credit: 25,823,605
RAC: 6,645
United States
Message 1873459 - Posted: 16 Jun 2017, 23:59:48 UTC

As long as the population grows, more spending is required. Of course Republicans are opposed to Planned Parenthood, such logic.
Being an adopted infant, born to an unwed, scared 18 year old in the time before Roe V. Wade, I thank God everyday for every breath I take, that might not have been the case in a more 'enlightened' age and society...........surely there is a better answer than death.
"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." " : >
ID: 1873459 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile betregerProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 6184
Credit: 14,866,205
RAC: 12,446
United States
Message 1873466 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 0:24:22 UTC

So you right to lifers think slavery is OK? A woman's body doesn't belong to her, you get to choose what she does. That has a lot in common with slavery IMO.
ID: 1873466 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary CharpentierCrowdfunding Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 20706
Credit: 29,208,081
RAC: 26,262
United States
Message 1873474 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 0:52:44 UTC - in response to Message 1873466.  

So you right to lifers think slavery is OK? A woman's body doesn't belong to her, you get to choose what she does. That has a lot in common with slavery IMO.
It is slavery, but they believe in the ownership of human beings, just not their kind. Because everyone deserves it!
ID: 1873474 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Gary CharpentierCrowdfunding Project Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 20706
Credit: 29,208,081
RAC: 26,262
United States
Message 1873478 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 0:58:30 UTC - in response to Message 1873459.  

As long as the population grows, more spending is required. Of course Republicans are opposed to Planned Parenthood, such logic.
Being an adopted infant, born to an unwed, scared 18 year old in the time before Roe V. Wade, I thank God everyday for every breath I take, that might not have been the case in a more 'enlightened' age and society...........surely there is a better answer than death.
Where would that leave you if the condom hadn't broken? Would your god put your soul into a different baby, maybe an undocumented mom?
ID: 1873478 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile betregerProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 6184
Credit: 14,866,205
RAC: 12,446
United States
Message 1873518 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 4:41:26 UTC - in response to Message 1873478.  
Last modified: 17 Jun 2017, 4:45:17 UTC

Gary given Jaundice eye's record on making up things such as non existent boxes on the 1040 tax form I would not view him as a reliable source of any data including his own "life story".
He has a proven track record of making things up to prove a partisan point.
ID: 1873518 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile JaundicedEyeProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Mar 12
Posts: 3058
Credit: 25,823,605
RAC: 6,645
United States
Message 1873556 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 11:59:45 UTC - in response to Message 1873518.  

Gary given Jaundice eye's record on making up things such as non existent boxes on the 1040 tax form I would not view him as a reliable source of any data including his own "life story".
He has a proven track record of making things up to prove a partisan point.
Again, Bet Rigger, your opinion and beliefs matter less to me personally than the fart of a sand flea on a camel in south sudan.

The fact that you value innocent life so little, and there is no innocence greater than an unborn fetus, has nothing to do with slavery or women's rights.
I support women's rights in all aspects except ending a life because it's inconvenient or otherwise unwanted. That should have been the consideration during the heat of passion.

You sir are no different in philosophy of 'life' than those who chose to end lives inconvenient to them in the chambers of Auschwitz...........
"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." " : >
ID: 1873556 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
You people are sick--get a life!

Send message
Joined: 3 Apr 99
Posts: 2992
Credit: 105,888,788
RAC: 7
United States
Message 1873557 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 12:02:50 UTC

Of course, Gary had to start up the abortion debate again. The facts are plain and clear. Look who started planned parenthood and what her objective was when it was started.

Disposing of life indiscriminately for the purposes of pleasure is not freedom. How about choosing to NOT get pregnant in the first place? There are modern ways to do this today. It requires a little bit of fore-thought though. Freedom is not being able to be excused from poor choices. A choice has already been made if there's a pregnancy.

You want to reduce slavery? How about getting rid of the minimum wage? That's just a modern day form of soft slavery.
ID: 1873557 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile CLYDEProject Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 9 Aug 99
Posts: 9946
Credit: 41,869,901
RAC: 19,728
United States
Message 1873561 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 12:34:18 UTC - in response to Message 1873556.  
Last modified: 17 Jun 2017, 12:44:12 UTC

Gary given Jaundice eye's record on making up things such as non existent boxes on the 1040 tax form I would not view him as a reliable source of any data including his own "life story".
He has a proven track record of making things up to prove a partisan point.
Again, Bet Rigger, your opinion and beliefs matter less to me personally than the fart of a sand flea on a camel in south sudan.

The fact that you value innocent life so little, and there is no innocence greater than an unborn fetus, has nothing to do with slavery or women's rights.
I support women's rights in all aspects except ending a life because it's inconvenient or otherwise unwanted. That should have been the consideration during the heat of passion.

You sir are no different in philosophy of 'life' than those who chose to end lives inconvenient to them in the chambers of Auschwitz...........

JaundicedEye... 'Bet Rigger', a correct description, is... Well... What he is.

His personal attacks and dismissal as false, of your life history, because he doesn't agree with your beliefs. Is just what he always does.

Just smile, understanding 'Bet Rigger' is, although he doesn't understand, exposing the falsity and worse of his beliefs.
ID: 1873561 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Mr. KevvyCrowdfunding Project Donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 15 May 99
Posts: 1636
Credit: 341,381,523
RAC: 591,348
Canada
Message 1873567 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 12:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 1873557.  
Last modified: 17 Jun 2017, 13:00:26 UTC

Look who started planned parenthood and what her objective was when it was started.
...
How about choosing to NOT get pregnant in the first place? There are modern ways to do this today. It requires a little bit of fore-thought though.


Funny that you recommend the use of birth control, as this was what Margaret Sanger's objective was and what she was arrested for... simply distributing birth control and literature about it was deemed to be "obscenity".

She also didn't agree with abortion, and was quite clear that if women had access to reliable, inexpensive birth control there would not be a need for it. So what was this "objective" you are referring to and via what reference?
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.”
--- Margaret Mead

ID: 1873567 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2747
Credit: 1,374,996
RAC: 552
United States
Message 1873570 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 13:07:14 UTC - in response to Message 1873567.  

Look who started planned parenthood and what her objective was when it was started.
...
How about choosing to NOT get pregnant in the first place? There are modern ways to do this today. It requires a little bit of fore-thought though.


Funny that you recommend the use of birth control, as this was what Margaret Sanger's objective was and what she was arrested for... simply distributing birth control and literature about it was deemed to be "obscenity".

She also didn't agree with abortion, and was quite clear that if women had access to reliable, inexpensive birth control there would not be a need for it. So what was this "objective" you are referring to and via what reference?


I believe this is an example of Sanger's... crap that they were referring to.


As an advocate of Birth Control, I wish to take advantage of the present opportunity to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the "unfit" and the "fit", admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation to the mentally and physically fit though less fertile parents of the educated and well-to-do classes. On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.


https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=238946.xml

Eugenics... spit.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1873570 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Mr. KevvyCrowdfunding Project Donor
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 15 May 99
Posts: 1636
Credit: 341,381,523
RAC: 591,348
Canada
Message 1873571 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 13:18:03 UTC - in response to Message 1873570.  

Eugenics... spit.


Well, Henry Ford was a eugenicist and supported Hitler but we aren't going to ban Fords over it, and Abraham Lincoln even though banned slavery wrote plenty of racist apologetics for his actions, and this in no way invalidates what he did either.
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.”
--- Margaret Mead

ID: 1873571 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
You people are sick--get a life!

Send message
Joined: 3 Apr 99
Posts: 2992
Credit: 105,888,788
RAC: 7
United States
Message 1873572 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 13:20:00 UTC

Hitler implemented free, extremely late-term abortions on an "inferior class" of people.

If anything, we should limit the resources to keep all defective births alive. We are fighting against natural law and nature's God when we keep alive those who wouldn't normally survive. We will lose that battle in the long-run because of the cascading societal issues it creates.
ID: 1873572 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2747
Credit: 1,374,996
RAC: 552
United States
Message 1873576 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 13:41:36 UTC - in response to Message 1873572.  

Hitler implemented free, extremely late-term abortions on an "inferior class" of people.

If anything, we should limit the resources to keep all defective births alive. We are fighting against natural law and nature's God when we keep alive those who wouldn't normally survive. We will lose that battle in the long-run because of the cascading societal issues it creates.


But, Guy,

One of the groups of 'physically/mentally unfit' that Sanger was referring to was 'poor people'. Are we going to eliminate the poor by murdering them before they are born?

By the way, I have no problems with 'Birth Control' (prevention of pregnancy before it happens), just with 'Abortion' (termination of pregnancy).


Birth Control is a wise thing for EVERYONE, in my opinion. The best method of which is abstinence. But once pregnant, a woman's body is not exclusively her own anymore. There are the rights of at least one other person (the embryo/fetus) to consider -- the right to life. There may be a few instances where an abortion can be considered (to save the mother's life, for instance), but in all other cases, abortion is MURDER.

Don't wanna get pregnant and have a kid? Don't bump uglies. After all, the biological function of sexual relations is procreation.

Now, I know that these statements I have just made will anger/upset some people (2nd wave radical feminists), but they are my opinions on the subject and I stand by them.

A baby that has yet to be born has rights too. Their right to life outweighs the mother's right to convenience in getting her yaya's off.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1873576 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile JaundicedEyeProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Mar 12
Posts: 3058
Credit: 25,823,605
RAC: 6,645
United States
Message 1873599 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 15:54:43 UTC

One of the groups of 'physically/mentally unfit' that Sanger was referring to was 'poor people'. Are we going to eliminate the poor by murdering them before they are born?
It goes much farther than that, as Dr Ben Carson so eloquently pointed out, the fact that the majority of Sanger's outreach was in the Poor BLACK communities points out emphatically her racist views(no different from Hitler's except for the chosen target). Dr Carson also pointed out that the majority of Planned Parenthood sites in large cities are located in predominantly black neighborhoods.

Location, location, location...........
"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." " : >
ID: 1873599 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile betregerProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 6184
Credit: 14,866,205
RAC: 12,446
United States
Message 1873601 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 16:36:43 UTC - in response to Message 1873561.  
Last modified: 17 Jun 2017, 16:37:27 UTC

His personal attacks and dismissal as false, of your life history, because he doesn't agree with your beliefs. Is just what he always does.

Clyde, Jaundice is a documented fabricator. That is not a belief that is a fact, of of course you may choose to ignore facts.
ID: 1873601 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile CLYDEProject Donor
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 9 Aug 99
Posts: 9946
Credit: 41,869,901
RAC: 19,728
United States
Message 1873631 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 19:11:47 UTC
Last modified: 17 Jun 2017, 19:17:06 UTC

One of the groups of 'physically/mentally unfit' that Sanger was referring to was 'poor people'.

JaundicedEye...

Understanding the foundation of Planned Parenthood then. Has nothing to do with today.

One can specifically be against present day Planned Parenthood. Without being against Birth Control or Women's Rights.
ID: 1873631 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile JaundicedEyeProject Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Mar 12
Posts: 3058
Credit: 25,823,605
RAC: 6,645
United States
Message 1873635 - Posted: 17 Jun 2017, 19:30:35 UTC

I am not against birth control, or planned parenthood, and I staunchly support rights and equality for all humans, born or otherwise. I am opposed however to the taking of innocent life when ever it begins. It is my firm belief that innocent life should only be ended as a medical necessity and then only as a last resort.

Planned Parenthood, as an organization it is said does much good in the area of women's health, providing services sometimes unavailable from other providers. I applaud them for that and would support them enthusiastically if not for the abortion issue.

The Hippocratic Oath states "First, Do No Harm...."

Any Medical Professional performing elective abortions should call theirs the Hypocritc Oath.... IMHO.
"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." " : >
ID: 1873635 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 5 · Next

Message boards : Politics : Abortion and Birth Control


 
©2017 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.