In the news, I read that lots of folks are upset and mystified by President Trump stating the Civil War was unnecessary.

When I looked at the comments posted by readers, by the thousands, they appear to be virtually unanimous in their condemnation and mockery of President Trump.

President Trump is correct in saying the Civil War was unnecessary, and here are the reasons why:

(1) - No war was needed to free the slaves, as all other civilized nations were able to successfully end the practice of slavery in their countries without resorting to armed conflict.

Actually, slavery did not become an officially stated reason for the conflict until halfway through the war, and even then, the Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves outside of Southern lands which had already been conquered and occupied by the Union Army, nor did it free the slaves being held in Northern states or territories.

(2) - Delegates from the Confederate States of America traveled to Washington, D.C., repeatedly attempting to plead with President Lincoln for peace, but President Lincoln refused to receive them.

(3) - It was not a "Civil War" as defined by the dictionary, for the Southern states had no intention or desire to seize and overthrow the government of the United States of America, but only wanted their independence and to be left alone.

The war of 1861 was a conflict between two separate, sovereign nations, i.e., the United States of America and the Confederate States of America.

(4) - The conflict of 1861 was a repeat of the events of 1776, when British colonial rebels committed treason, seceding from Great Britain, and displaying a rebel banner designed by Betsy Ross.

If it was right when the Thirteen Colonies did that, then why was it wrong for the eleven Southern states to do the same thing?

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John Robert Mallernee
Ashley Valley Shadows
Vernal, Utah 84078

It amuses me to point out examples of history repeating itself.

For example:

In the Eighteen Sixties, the North invaded the South, my ancestor fought for the South, and the South lost.
(i.e., the Confederate States of America)

Exactly one hundred years later:

In the Nineteen Sixties, the North invaded the South, I fought for the South, and the South lost.
(i.e., the old Republic of Viet Nam)

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John Robert Mallernee
Ashley Valley Shadows
Vernal, Utah 84078

Yes. But Trump's knowledge in history is...
He even mentioned Andrew Jackson as one that could have stopped the war.
Setting aside the fact that Jackson died on June 8, 1845, 16 years before the first shells were fired on Fort Sumter in South Carolina !

Heck. He doesn't even know his near family history!

@ JANNESETI:

I don't know in what context President Trump was making those remarks, but considering his financial success and that he did get elected President of the United States of America, then it's obvious he's a whole lot smarter than a lot of folks are giving him credit for!

He's a human being, and I reckon he might get things mixed up sometimes, just as you and I do.

But, regardless, my main point remains, that the bloodiest war in America's history was completely unnecessary.

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John Robert Mallernee
Ashley Valley Shadows
Vernal, Utah 84078

@ JANNESETI:
I don't know in what context President Trump was making those remarks, but considering his financial success and that he did get elected President of the United States of America, then it's obvious he's a whole lot smarter than a lot of folks are giving him credit for!
He's a human being, and I reckon he might get things mixed up sometimes, just as you and I do.
But, regardless, my main point remains, that the bloodiest war in America's history was completely unnecessary.

Trump is smart.
But only in business.
There is a whole lot smarter people in the US that should be the President of the United States of America instead.
Trump knows nothing about foreign policy, military matters, diplomacy, etc.
And Geography and History:)

In the news, I read that lots of folks are upset and mystified by President Trump stating the Civil War was unnecessary.

When I looked at the comments posted by readers, by the thousands, they appear to be virtually unanimous in their condemnation and mockery of President Trump.

President Trump is correct in saying the Civil War was unnecessary, and here are the reasons why:

(1) - No war was needed to free the slaves, as all other civilized nations were able to successfully end the practice of slavery in their countries without resorting to armed conflict.

Actually, slavery did not become an officially stated reason for the conflict until halfway through the war, and even then, the Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves outside of Southern lands which had already been conquered and occupied by the Union Army, nor did it free the slaves being held in Northern states or territories.

(2) - Delegates from the Confederate States of America traveled to Washington, D.C., repeatedly attempting to plead with President Lincoln for peace, but President Lincoln refused to receive them.

(3) - It was not a "Civil War" as defined by the dictionary, for the Southern states had no intention or desire to seize and overthrow the government of the United States of America, but only wanted their independence and to be left alone.

The war of 1861 was a conflict between two separate, sovereign nations, i.e., the United States of America and the Confederate States of America.

(4) - The conflict of 1861 was a repeat of the events of 1776, when British colonial rebels committed treason, seceding from Great Britain, and displaying a rebel banner designed by Betsy Ross.

If it was right when the Thirteen Colonies did that, then why was it wrong for the eleven Southern states to do the same thing?

You are correct about a lot of this.

I am not sure about what Trump was thinking when he invoked Old Hickory... But if Andrew Jackson WAS alive and WAS elected president in 1860, it is a virtual certainty that we would NOT have had the War of Northern Aggression (1861 - 1865).

1. The States that left the USA and formed the CSA did so BECAUSE Lincoln was elected in 1860.
2. Jackson was a slave owner from one of the States that left. IF HE had been president then, the CSA would not have left....

Oh, and by the way, the CSA LIKED Andrew Jackson...

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Well if we are going to revise history ....

The civil war was a war about economics. The economics of having extremely low price labor for massively labor intensive business.

Fast forward.

Red rust belt states want to lower the minumum wage to have a ready supply of super cheap labor for massively labor intensive business.
Example in Texas the absolute minimum wage is $2.13 per hour

Blue states are raising the minimum wage to have a ready supply of able workers.
Example in California the minimum wage is $15.00 per hour

One can clearly see that the exact same forces are at work today. How long before the first shot?

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@ GARY CHARPENTIER:

Because of all the unreasonable hatred, universal abysmal ignorance, and increasing divisions within our society, I believe a genuine civil war is more or less inevitable, although it will probably begin as a general unorganized anarchy.

It's odd that the United States of America fought wars against the Nazis and the Communists, and yet, it seems that we've now embraced the exact same principles, ideology, and methods of Adolph Hitler and Josef Stalin.

With everything spiraling out of control, the only thing left is for each of us to live our own lives as best as we can, and do what we can for our families and those who are closest to us.

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John Robert Mallernee
Ashley Valley Shadows
Vernal, Utah 84078

Well if we are going to revise history ....

The civil war was a war about economics. The economics of having extremely low price labor for massively labor intensive business.

Fast forward.

Red rust belt states want to lower the minimum wage to have a ready supply of super cheap labor for massively labor intensive business.
Example in Texas the absolute minimum wage is $2.13 per hour

Blue states are raising the minimum wage to have a ready supply of able workers.
Example in California the minimum wage is $15.00 per hour

One can clearly see that the exact same forces are at work today. How long before the first shot?

Gary, I do believe that you have your numbers wrong...

The minimum wage in Texas is the Federal minimum wage of $7.25 / hour. If you work in a position that receives tips, such as restaurant waitstaff, the employer must pay $2.13 / hour minimum, but then the amount of tips received by that employee must then bring up their wages to at least $7.25 / hour. If not enough tips are received to bring it up to $7.25 / hour, the employer MUST then make up the difference. The minimum wage in Texas IS, by law, $7.25 / hour in ALL cases... Federal law.

In California, I do believe that your minimum wage per the State of California is, as of Jan. 1, 2017, $10.50 / hour. It is not scheduled to raise to $15.00 / hour until 2023, I believe.

I also read that the State of California does NOT allow 'tipping credit' like Federal law does. No wonder the cost of living out there is so much higher.

Of course, some Cities in California may have a higher minimum wage than the State of California, just as the State of California has a higher one than the US Federal Government.

How long before the first shot? My opinion is that we have already seen it.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

@MK, thank you for reminding me Texas is a tip theft state where tip pools are mandatory. Also thank you for reminding me Texas minimum does not even exist ($0.00 /hr), it is only Federal minimum that tRump wants to reduce. Must be why California has reached full employment https://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/45082 If only the rust belt states would follow the lead.

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Over dA Last 150+ Years, a Lot of Brainiacs and other Types have Opined on Why a Civil War.

I Look at Today and See Why dA Boiling Point is being Reached.

Prez, Guvernators, Mayors, and other City/County Heads are ALLOWING Civil Violence. When One or A Group gets A Bug In Their Butt[s], Leaders, as One Maryland City Mayor recently said: Let Them Destroy...
The Law aka Coppers, are Told to STAND DOWN or Other Very Lax Policing. This ENCOURAGES Civil, well, Basically-WAR. When A Copper Tries to 'Step In', A HUGE LAWSUIT Results, and Taxpayers Get Screwed Again. Making Non-Participants VERY ANGRY(especially if their Person or Property recieved some dat HATE).

So We Have HATE ALL OVER, No Policing Against dA Perps(LEFTY KKKOMIE KKKryBABY KKKlowns) and A Nationwide Fuse Ready to be Lit.

Prior to 1861 and In 1861, a Lot of HATE, again, was Being Spewed, and...

As A SUPREME BEING who is White and A BIG BIG BIG Golden-Haired, Long Black Coat Wearin, Big Hands Don Voter and Supporter, and One Who has Seen SHAT and HATE Spewed fO mO than Seven Decades, I Can See Myself JOINING In A Civil War. Once I'm FINALLY PUSHED TOO FAR.

Until Then, I'll Watch dA Lefty KKKlowns Destroy Themselves and Hope My Person and Property stays Out of Their Aim.

3-Digit IQ(0.00) Supreme Yappin'

p.s. BTW, dA Thread Title does not Refer to USA Civil War of 1861-1865

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

@MK, thank you for reminding me Texas is a tip theft state where tip pools are mandatory. Also thank you for reminding me Texas minimum does not even exist ($0.00 /hr), it is only Federal minimum that tRump wants to reduce. Must be why California has reached full employment https://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/45082 If only the rust belt states would follow the lead.

1. Tip pools. Tip pooling is allowed, by US Federal Law & Regulations. It is allowed by 29 C.F.R. § 531.54. The amount of the tip lost to tip pooling can not be in excess of 15% of the tip left for the waiter. Also, the amount of the tip credit (7.25/hr - 2.13/hr) is NOT subject to pooling. Owners and Management may NOT share in the pool.

The State of Texas Government is not the one that allows it... The US Federal Government does.

And, from glancing at California state law/regulations, it seems that California is the same.

All that said, I do not agree with the Concept of Tipping, nor do I agree with 'tipping minimum wages ($2.13/hr)... If we HAVE to have a minimum wage, restaurant owners should pay their employees at LEAST the full amount of it DIRECTLY. Yes, that WILL increase menu prices on the customer, but then, in the USA, we eat out WAY TOO MUCH, IMO.

2. Full employment. Back in college, in Economics class, we were taught that Full Employment was an unemployment rate between 5% and 6%. Over 6% indicated a slowing economy that might lead to recession. Under 5% indicated the economy was growing too fast, producing inflationary pressures. The 5% to 6% figure was seen as 'normal' due to employment churn.

Looking at the BLS data, we see that California is tied at 35th place at 4.9%. That is slightly too low a rate.
We see that Texas is tied at 39th place at 5.0%... The low end of full employment.

Only 2 States have an unemployment rate over 6% (Less than full employment). Alaska (6.4%) and New Mexico (6.7%). Neither one is 'rust belt'.
38 States have an unemployment rate that is too low. Their economies need to cool down a bit.
Texas, Washington D.C., and 9 other States have economies right where they need to be (5.0% to 6.0%).

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

Data current as of April 21, 2017.

But that rate (U-3) does not tell the full story... The U-3 does not include discouraged workers, or the under-employed.

Let us check the U-6.

For the time period 2nd quarter 2016 through 1st quarter 2017 (Averaged):

The U-6 in California is 11.1%. (U-3 was 5.3%)
The U-6 in Texas is 9.0%. (U-3 was 4.8%).

Only 3 States out there have a U-6 worse than California: Nevada (11.9%), Alaska (12.9%), and New Mexico (13.0%).

Data current as of April 28, 2017.

https://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm

Gary, I think that you are either knocking me, or are knocking Texas. Texas obeys and goes by US Federal regulations and law in regards to tip pooling and minimum wages. Don't look at Austin, TX... Look at Washington D.C. Only 2 states as of the last U-3 figures are NOT at 'full employment' (or better), and neither one of those 2 are 'rust belt'.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

@MK, thank you for reminding me Texas is a tip theft state where tip pools are mandatory. Also thank you for reminding me Texas minimum does not even exist ($0.00 /hr), it is only Federal minimum that tRump wants to reduce. Must be why California has reached full employment https://ucrtoday.ucr.edu/45082 If only the rust belt states would follow the lead.

1. Tip pools. Tip pooling is allowed, by US Federal Law & Regulations. It is allowed by 29 C.F.R. § 531.54. The amount of the tip lost to tip pooling can not be in excess of 15% of the tip left for the waiter. Also, the amount of the tip credit (7.25/hr - 2.13/hr) is NOT subject to pooling. Owners and Management may NOT share in the pool.

The State of Texas Government is not the one that allows it... The US Federal Government does.

Texas allows it, or they would use their state right to not allow it.

All that said, I do not agree with the Concept of Tipping, nor do I agree with 'tipping minimum wages ($2.13/hr)... If we HAVE to have a minimum wage, restaurant owners should pay their employees at LEAST the full amount of it DIRECTLY.

Yes.

2. Full employment. Back in college, in Economics class, we were taught that Full Employment was an unemployment rate between 5% and 6%. Over 6% indicated a slowing economy that might lead to recession. Under 5% indicated the economy was growing too fast, producing inflationary pressures. The 5% to 6% figure was seen as 'normal' due to employment churn.

Looking at the BLS data, we see that California is tied at 35th place at 4.9%. That is slightly too low a rate.
We see that Texas is tied at 39th place at 5.0%... The low end of full employment.

Then this stat should be seriously troubling https://beaconecon.com/products/employment_report

The latest release from the California EDD shows that the state accounted for nearly one-fifth of all job gains in the nation in March, according to an analysis released jointly by Beacon Economics and the UCR School of Business Center for Economic Forecasting and Development.

Yes, 20% of all new jobs in the USA are in California. May have to look at census data to see immigration rates into California.

Gary, I think that you are either knocking me, or are knocking Texas. Texas obeys and goes by US Federal regulations and law in regards to tip pooling and minimum wages. Don't look at Austin, TX... Look at Washington D.C.

Austin can change it if they want to, but because Austin can get away with it they don't? Doesn't make it moral does it? (you already answered that, so never mind)

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Sitting here reading this utter crap I have to wonder weather any of us will make it .

What do you think forming the CSA was ???

A declaration of war on the United States of America pure and simple .

So Jackson was not and would never have been the dam president in the first place . Also slavery would still have brought you to war . You lot forget it had already been outlawed in the U.K and Europe

gees people accept you lost the war and rejoice in the fact it MADE AMERICA GREAT and freaking move on .

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Then this stat should be seriously troubling https://beaconecon.com/products/employment_report

The latest release from the California EDD shows that the state accounted for nearly one-fifth of all job gains in the nation in March, according to an analysis released jointly by Beacon Economics and the UCR School of Business Center for Economic Forecasting and Development.

Yes, 20% of all new jobs in the USA are in California. May have to look at census data to see immigration rates into California.

Gary, I think that you are either knocking me, or are knocking Texas. Texas obeys and goes by US Federal regulations and law in regards to tip pooling and minimum wages. Don't look at Austin, TX... Look at Washington D.C.

Austin can change it if they want to, but because Austin can get away with it they don't? Doesn't make it moral does it? (you already answered that, so never mind)

1. Troubling? Not at all. The population of California is about 39 million, about 50% more than the population of Texas, about 28 million.

The job gains March 2016 to March 2017 for California is 346,400. This gives a per-capita jobs gain of 0.00888 for that 12 month period.

Over the same period, the job gains in Texas was 249,000, giving a per-capita jobs gain of 0.00889 for that 12 month period.

The per-capita job gain rate for Texas is roughly equivalent to, and maybe slightly BETTER than, that of California.

Worrying? Not really.

2. You expect morality from GOVERNMENT????? Heh.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

It amuses me to point out examples of history repeating itself.

For example:

In the Eighteen Sixties, the North invaded the South, my ancestor fought for the South, and the South lost.
(i.e., the Confederate States of America)

Exactly one hundred years later:

In the Nineteen Sixties, the North invaded the South, I fought for the South, and the South lost.
(i.e., the old Republic of Viet Nam)

Your reading a bit to much into compering Viet-Nam to 1860's ...as Einstein said "spooky interactions" ...No I don't think so

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He's a human being, and I reckon he might get things mixed up sometimes, just as you and I do.

Sorry mate Trump is a manipulative S.O.B and only said what he said to con the states that believe it.

A Showman , conman , theft and bigot . "Tell a lie long enough and people start to believe it" . Trumps words :)

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(4) - The conflict of 1861 was a repeat of the events of 1776, when British colonial rebels committed treason, seceding from Great Britain, and displaying a rebel banner designed by Betsy Ross.

If it was right when the Thirteen Colonies did that, then why was it wrong for the eleven Southern states to do the same thing?

(1) The word Colony is not Country

(2) The attitudes and time moves forward

(3) refer to quote below

A declaration of war on the United States of America pure and simple

refer to previous posts

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Sitting here reading this utter crap I have to wonder weather any of us will make it .

What do you think forming the CSA was ???

A declaration of war on the United States of America pure and simple .

So Jackson was not and would never have been the dam president in the first place . Also slavery would still have brought you to war . You lot forget it had already been outlawed in the U.K and Europe

gees people accept you lost the war and rejoice in the fact it MADE AMERICA GREAT and freaking move on .

You lot apparently forgot it too. Were not you lot still 'blackbirding' until about 1900? hmm?

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

You lot apparently forgot it too. Were not you lot still 'blackbirding' until about 1900? hmm?

Yes maybe , so what .:)

But we are trying to make up now . We did start off as a penal Colony . All true ozzy's are crime's :)

What's your excuse Hmmmmmm ! :)

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