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Message 1917914 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 20:38:22 UTC

Many conservatives are lost in The "Sunk Cost Fallacy".
They will admit, and insist, that harsh treatment of pot-smokers was justified, and
if we continue to ruin their lives that soon we'll turn a corner.
Well the "Sunk Cost Fallacy" is wrong when investing, and wrong when destroying lives.
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Message 1917918 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 21:17:05 UTC - in response to Message 1917886.  

Is what we have been instructed to stop.


Suggested, not "instructed".

Bernie Vine... I stand corrected and thank you for clarifying.

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Message 1917926 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 21:43:57 UTC
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We already have a perfect model for this in existing legislation: tobacco, which is far stronger of a carcinogen (marijuana is also commonly vaped these days as well, which has not been demonstrated to have any second-hand cancer risks, and made into edibles which have zero by definition.) So smoking of marijuana should be permissible wherever smoking of tobacco is permitted ie in private residences, in open public areas where others are not being directly exposed, etc.

Mr. Kevvy... Agree 100%.

The real problem in the USA which started the present discussion. Would be different (edit: and sometimes disparate) State criminal laws.

IE: You are driving between States to your nearest gas station. You are not under the influence of marijuana and any marijuana possessed, as with alcohol, is in a sealed container. The State you are leaving allows this, but the State you are entering doesn't.

I believe the above problem is particular to the USA.
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Message 1917943 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1917926.  

I believe the above problem is particular to the USA.
Nope, but you know so little about the EU, just as you routinely accuse people from other countries about knowing so little about the USA. Case in point a OTC cold medication bought in Germany, very illegal in France - no border station.
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Message 1917947 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:11:41 UTC - in response to Message 1917943.  
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I believe the above problem is particular to the USA.
Nope, but you know so little about the EU, just as you routinely accuse people from other countries about knowing so little about the USA. Case in point a OTC cold medication bought in Germany, very illegal in France - no border station.

Different Countries in the EU. Not different States/Provinces in the same Country.

Understand the difference?

Since "I believe" means awaiting a poster with 'facts'. Does anyone, besides..., have factual information regarding if this is "particular" to the USA or not.

IE: You are driving between States (edit: inside the USA) to your nearest gas station. You are not under the influence of marijuana and any marijuana possessed, as with alcohol, is in a sealed container. The State you are leaving allows this, but the State you are entering doesn't.

I believe the above problem is particular to the USA.

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Message 1917948 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:16:19 UTC - in response to Message 1917947.  

Understand the difference?
You don't understand the EU, nor it seems do you want to.
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Message 1917949 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:20:58 UTC - in response to Message 1917948.  
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Understand the difference?
You don't understand the EU, nor it seems do you want to.

The entire thought which you usually omit:

Different Countries in the EU. Not different States/Provinces in the same Country.

Understand the difference?

Since "I believe" means awaiting a poster with 'facts'. Does anyone, besides..., have factual information regarding if this is "particular" to the USA or not.


Sorry to all others who wish to have a discussion without this posters personal invectives.

There was no "instruction' to stop this. Just a "suggestion" to stop.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81364&postid=1917886#1917886
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Message 1917950 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:22:48 UTC

Yawn.
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Message 1917951 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 23:26:03 UTC - in response to Message 1917950.  

Yawn.

Since this is apparently within The Rules. They control these discussions.

What a shame.
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Message 1917969 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 1:14:48 UTC - in response to Message 1917949.  

The entire thought which you usually omit:
Omitted because you fail to understand the EU and are now demonstrating that you wish to remain intentionally ignorant.
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Message 1917970 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 1:20:29 UTC - in response to Message 1917951.  

Yawn.

Since this is apparently within The Rules. They control these discussions.

What a shame.

What is wrong with commenting on the quality of a post?
Oh, I get it your posts are above criticism.
This must be an attack to be reported to Gordon because I used "Oh".
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Message 1917978 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 1:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 1917969.  
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The entire thought which you usually omit:
Omitted because you fail to understand the EU and are now demonstrating that you wish to remain intentionally ignorant.

Gary... You posted that Germany and France are the same as two different States in the USA.

Nope, but you know so little about the EU, just as you routinely accuse people from other countries about knowing so little about the USA. Case in point a OTC cold medication bought in Germany, very illegal in France - no border station.

I replied, correcting you:

Different Countries in the EU. Not different States/Provinces in the same Country.

Adding:

Since "I believe" means awaiting a poster with 'facts'. Does anyone, besides..., have factual information regarding if this is "particular" to the USA or not.

Your personal attacks about what another poster said. Is apparently allowed.

What a shame.
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Message 1917979 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 1:55:03 UTC
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Sorry to the posters who wish to have a non-personally attacking discussion of this and other important issues.

Apparently nothing can be done to stop them.

Edit: I do agree that the following quote from another Topic does apply to them, with emphasis added:

"I've said much of this before, but binary thinkers can understand nuance; unfortunately they seem to be the loudest posters."

Time to watch a movie.
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Message 1917988 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 3:17:49 UTC

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Message 1918020 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 6:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 1917978.  

Gary... You posted that Germany and France are the same as two different States in the USA.
No, that's the strawman you want to argue**. I did compare a citizen of the EU, who carries an EU passport for visiting other countries such as the USA crossing the paint stripe border from the now not sovereign France into the now not sovereign Germany, just as the States of the USA are not sovereign anymore. Perhaps you need to understand that word "sovereign."* Ask yourself about Brexit if they were sovereign. Ask yourself why Sirius has to decide if he wants to keep his EU passport or have a UK one. Also you should learn about the EU. It is very akin to the USA between Independence and the adoption of the current Constitution.


*Sovereign noun: a supreme ruler
adjective: 1 possessing supreme or ultimate power
2 acting or done independently and without outside interference


**You want to make your argument like passing the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco.
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Message 1918053 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 14:20:36 UTC - in response to Message 1918020.  
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Gary... You posted that Germany and France are the same as two different States in the USA.
No, that's the strawman you want to argue**. I did compare a citizen of the EU, who carries an EU passport for visiting other countries such as the USA crossing the paint stripe border from the now not sovereign France into the now not sovereign Germany, just as the States of the USA are not sovereign anymore. Perhaps you need to understand that word "sovereign."* Ask yourself about Brexit if they were sovereign. Ask yourself why Sirius has to decide if he wants to keep his EU passport or have a UK one. Also you should learn about the EU. It is very akin to the USA between Independence and the adoption of the current Constitution.


*Sovereign noun: a supreme ruler
adjective: 1 possessing supreme or ultimate power
2 acting or done independently and without outside interference


**You want to make your argument like passing the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco.

Of course not. It is as if one was travelling between seperate States. Let's say California and Nevada, or Florida and Georgia, or...

Is there a difference with peoples perception of different (edit: and serious criminal) laws when travelling between two different countries and within one's own country?

Not knowing the answer. Within the countries of Europe, or other countries. When travelling between different provinces/states within that country. Are there some activities that are considered serious crimes (felony's) in one province and not criminal, or just results in a 'ticket' in another?

Simple.

Sorry Mr. Kevvy. A simple response regarding different marijuana laws among our States started this.
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Message 1918057 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 14:37:46 UTC
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Sorry Mr. Kevvy. A simple response regarding different marijuana laws among our States started this.


Started what?

These are discussion forums so discussions often head in different directions, and perhaps you don't like the idea of the EU being compared to the USA but that is what the EU is trying to be, separate states not separate countries.

One of the big things that I believe helped the Brexit vote was the fact that so may of our laws (UK) came from Brussels.

Marijuana is I believe legal( to a degree) in Amsterdam, and apparently Spain is moving towards trying to legalise it. Wonder what will happen then to EU citizens travelling across countries?
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Message 1918060 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 14:50:55 UTC - in response to Message 1918057.  
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Sorry Mr. Kevvy. A simple response regarding different marijuana laws among our States started this.


Started what?

These are discussion forums so discussions often head in different directions, and perhaps you don't like the idea of the EU being compared to the USA but that is what the EU is trying to be, separate states not separate countries.

One of the big things that I believe helped the Brexit vote was the fact that so may of our laws (UK) came from Brussels.

Marijuana is I believe legal( to a degree) in Amsterdam, and apparently Spain is moving towards trying to legalise it. Wonder what will happen then to EU citizens travelling across countries?

Yes Bernie Vine, that is also the problem moving between the different States within the USA.

"Started what" is a poster's continuing misstatement of what I posted.

IE: " **You want to make your argument like passing the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco."

And when trying to correct similar misstatements of what I said...

BTW: Can you assist me with this question:

Within the UK, when travelling between different areas within your country. Are there some activities that are considered serious crimes (felony's) in one area and not criminal, or just results in a 'ticket' in another?
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Message 1918080 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 16:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 1918060.  

IE: " **You want to make your argument like passing the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco."

Selected on purpose as a very good belly laugh, which you have just provided everyone.
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Message 1918083 - Posted: 10 Feb 2018, 17:04:52 UTC - in response to Message 1918080.  

IE: " **You want to make your argument like passing the border between the City of San Francisco and the County of San Francisco."

Selected on purpose as a very good belly laugh, which you have just provided everyone.

As Bernie Vine posted:

Marijuana is I believe legal( to a degree) in Amsterdam, and apparently Spain is moving towards trying to legalise it. Wonder what will happen then to EU citizens travelling across countries?

Does apply to individuals travelling across States within the USA.

The unanswered questions:

Within let's say, European Countries, when travelling between different areas within that country. Are there some activities that are considered serious crimes (felony's) in one area and not criminal, or just results in a 'ticket' in another?

Would the perception of individuals regarding different criminal laws. Be different when traversing National Borders, as would be in traversing different areas of the same country?
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