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Message 1882333 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 1:16:00 UTC - in response to Message 1882332.  

Republicans the party of states rights?
Only for states rights when it curtails individual rights.

That makes sense.
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Message 1882344 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 2:11:42 UTC

The GOP's days may be numbered as well............
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/05/colorado-gop-considers-canceling-2018-primary/
In response to the fiasco that occurred here during the Primaries
(disenfranchisement of registered Independents) the law was changed to allow non affiliated registered voters to cast their ballot in which ever Party's Primary they chose(but not both of course).

The 'word' is the Colorado GOP Party is considering not having a primary in the future...........the People Are Not Pleased.............

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Message 1882357 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 3:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1882334.  

The USA is much more complicated and nuanced than many imagine.

Yes, and I am pretty sure my old Kentucky home will be one of the last states to legalize marijuana. I think the tobacco lobby here is afraid of it.
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Message 1882359 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 3:36:30 UTC - in response to Message 1882344.  

The GOP's days may be numbered as well............
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/05/colorado-gop-considers-canceling-2018-primary/
In response to the fiasco that occurred here during the Primaries
(disenfranchisement of registered Independents) the law was changed to allow non affiliated registered voters to cast their ballot in which ever Party's Primary they chose(but not both of course).

The 'word' is the Colorado GOP Party is considering not having a primary in the future...........the People Are Not Pleased.............

but but but ...
But Ben Nicholas, a central committee member from Adams County, argues that the caucus system is the only way to “select a candidate who will adhere to the party platform and our conservative principles.”
Translation, the only way to get extreme wing-nutz on the ballot and we need extreme wing-nutz!

Now can Colorado do a real open primary, where the top two face each other? Not top one from each party, but top two even if they are from the same party.
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Message 1882360 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 3:40:06 UTC - in response to Message 1882357.  

The USA is much more complicated and nuanced than many imagine.

Yes, and I am pretty sure my old Kentucky home will be one of the last states to legalize marijuana. I think the tobacco lobby here is afraid of it.

Can't they figure out how to grow it and process it into joints? From what I hear it is cleaner to grow than tobacco.
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Message 1882363 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 3:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 1882333.  

Republicans the party of states rights?
Only for states rights when it curtails individual rights.

That makes sense.

YAP.
For states rights to curtail abortion.
For states rights to curtail voting rights.
For states rights to curtail bathrooms.

Against states rights to allow marijuana.
Against states rights to raise the minimum wage.
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Message 1882365 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 4:13:48 UTC - in response to Message 1882359.  

Now can Colorado do a real open primary, where the top two face each other? Not top one from each party, but top two even if they are from the same party.

I would prefer top three, top two is too restrictive IMO.
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Message 1882366 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 4:21:35 UTC - in response to Message 1882360.  

The USA is much more complicated and nuanced than many imagine.

Yes, and I am pretty sure my old Kentucky home will be one of the last states to legalize marijuana. I think the tobacco lobby here is afraid of it.

Can't they figure out how to grow it and process it into joints? From what I hear it is cleaner to grow than tobacco.

Maybe so, but old habits are hard to break, and there's still not a national legal market for pot. Growing and selling tobacco is safe.
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Message 1882463 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 20:01:23 UTC
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Another possibly hopeful development from The Hill:

Federal task force reportedly recommends more marijuana study, no crackdown

The task force Attorney General Jeff Sessions established to crack down on marijuana use has come up with no new policy recommendations for the attorney general, The Associated Press reported Friday.

Marijuana advocates feared that a report released by the Trump administration's Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety would link violent crime to marijuana. But the AP, citing portions of the report it had obtained, said that the document recommends that officials continue weighing whether to change or rescind the Obama administration's largely hands-off approach to enforcement.

Advocates hailed the news on Friday.

“The task force’s recommendations reflect the fact that the Dept. of Justice has more important priorities than harassing legitimate, taxpaying businesses. In states that have approved marijuana for medical or adult use, these businesses are creating jobs, generating revenue, protecting consumers, and making their communities safer," Don Murphy, the director of conservative outreach at the Marijuana Policy Project, said in a statement.

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Message 1882476 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 21:05:57 UTC - in response to Message 1882473.  

Appears the Trump Administration's Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety, got it right.


But will Sessions and Trump themselves get it right??
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Message 1882477 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 21:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 1882476.  

Appears the Trump Administration's Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety, got it right.

But will Sessions and Trump themselves get it right??

But betting it right means less votes from prison guard unions ...
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Message 1882478 - Posted: 6 Aug 2017, 21:08:43 UTC - in response to Message 1882477.  

Appears the Trump Administration's Task Force on Crime Reduction and Public Safety, got it right.

But will Sessions and Trump themselves get it right??

But betting it right means less votes from prison guard unions ...

Fair point. How about the private prison industry?
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Message 1917683 - Posted: 8 Feb 2018, 17:53:40 UTC
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There is (finally) a bill in the U.S. House to federally legalize: the Marijuana Justice Act. This is being introduced to counter Attorney General Sessions' attempts to continue federal enforcement policies contrary to the Tenth Amendment and states that have chosen to legalize.

The ACLU has posted a contact form to assist with writing your congressional reps. I would suggest a printed paper e-mail and to customize it.

And remember, as we've noted, this is not a "liberal" or "conservative" or "left-wing" or "right-wing" issue... it's a liberty and justice issue, and the arguments for legalization are very strong on all "sides" (and correspondingly weak, evidence-free and long-debunked for keeping it illegal on all "sides" too!) I hope you can all do your part and let your representatives know...
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Message 1917786 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 1:32:13 UTC - in response to Message 1917683.  

I can't imagine the federal government rolling back state decisions on this, but I also don't expect my home state, Kentucky, to adopt any legislation in favor of it, either.
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Message 1917790 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 2:00:35 UTC - in response to Message 1917786.  

I can't imagine the federal government rolling back state decisions on this, but I also don't expect my home state, Kentucky, to adopt any legislation in favor of it, either.

Jeff Sessions may very well attempt.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions is blaming an old foe of his for the opioid crisis: marijuana.

Speaking at the Heritage Foundation to the Reagan Alumni Association this week, Sessions argued that cutting prescriptions for opioid painkillers is crucial to combating the crisis — since some people started on painkillers before moving on to illicit opioids like heroin and fentanyl. But then he expanded his argument to include cannabis.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/8/16987126/jeff-sessions-opioid-epidemic-marijuana
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Message 1917792 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 2:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 1917789.  

Theoretically, the federal government can step in and shut down all the current states' legal marijuana operations, right?
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Message 1917796 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 2:16:00 UTC - in response to Message 1917790.  

I just don't agree with putting marijuana in the same category as synthetic drugs.
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Message 1917807 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 4:07:29 UTC - in response to Message 1917792.  

Theoretically, the federal government can step in and shut down all the current states' legal marijuana operations, right?

Yes. And they might just to attempt to get a Tenth Amendment case in front of SCOTUS. Although SCOTUS will look to find any method to avoid having to offer any opinion on the Tenth.
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Message 1917866 - Posted: 9 Feb 2018, 14:14:02 UTC - in response to Message 1917807.  

Theoretically, the federal government can step in and shut down all the current states' legal marijuana operations, right?

Yes. And they might just to attempt to get a Tenth Amendment case in front of SCOTUS. Although SCOTUS will look to find any method to avoid having to offer any opinion on the Tenth.


Yes, this is quite the issue.

I agree, a 10th Amendment case at SCOTUS would be a bad thing as far as the US Government goes. If SCOTUS agreed about the 10th Amendment, it would mean that a LARGE amount of what the Federal Government does would be unconstitutional. If SCOTUS disagreed about the 10th Amendment, it would be like pouring Gasoline on the secessionist fires already burning at the State level. Boom!

This is a classic case of "State's Rights". I find it extremely funny that a lot of the same people who are opposed to "State's Rights" in all/almost all other cases are very pro "State's Rights" when it comes to 'weed'.

Also, though many call marijuana 'safe', why then is it listed in the 'list' under California's Prop. 65 as 'causes cancer'?

https://oehha.ca.gov/proposition-65/chemicals/marijuana-smoke

From a Libertarian standpoint, I have no issues with someone consuming something that causes cancer... As long as it only affects THEM.

But, in this case there is a lot of evidence that '2nd-hand' marijuana smoke also elevates cancer rates...

So, what to do?

I don't know. Perhaps a suitable short to medium term solution might be to return 'drug' regulation to the States where it belongs (imo), and each State decide for itself whether or not to allow Marijuana use. The pot-heads could then move to a State that allows it, and the anti-pot-heads move to a State that does not. Problem solved. Everyone is happy.
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