So, the systems are NOT perfect, but have eliminated 99.999% of the scammers calling in here. :-)

So why the heartfelt angst?

(Hence, YES, my own home number is 925-831-xxxx.)

Wasn't that totally irresponsible to have posted that to an internationally available bulletin board?

No, because the last four digits have been left blank...

Let random people make long distance, or international calls if they want to... With four digits missing it would take a little while to hack out what my number is... REALLY...


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So instead of trying a few million permutations, they now only have 10,000 to worry about.

Yep. Also, how many of those 10,000 will actually be live numbers & how many end up getting stung?

Selfishness strikes again!

And a couple of minutes in the web and I have found all the working area codes in the US and all the local codes from each area code.

Any good spammer will have copied all those into their auto dialers with 0000-9999 added for each, not rocket science.

Since phone numbers became standard lengths it is much easier for scammers.

Easier to get the info on a disc.

Info like this is easily available, not much use if you can't find phone numbers.

TimeLord when you DO get a SCAM call please post a note to https://800notes.com/ using the number they call from. That way OTHERS can benefit from knowing what the scammers, phishers and crooks are up to.

Like others have said DO NOT ANSWER calls from numbers you DO NOT KNOW! Let the answering machine / voice mail deal with them FIRST.

A ROBO-DIALER / TELE-SCAMMER 99.99% of the time will not leave a message and if it's an important call from a legitimate source you conduct business with, they will ALWAYS leave a message with a LEGITIMATE phone number to call back.

NomoRobo uses the 800 Notes complaint list, reports from subscribers/users and many other undisclosed methods to learn about numbers to block. Nothing is 100% fool proof.

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There's a huge difference between sequential robo-diallers, which will try every number in turn with no prior knowledge of who the line belongs to (they regularly hit my fax machine), and targeted, personal scams based on some prior assumption that you're a vulnerable person.

The important thing to do is to avoid doing or saying something that might get you moved from the first group to the second group - because once you get on the 'vulnerable' list, which gets sold on from one scammer to the next, it's never going to stop.

End of the day people are TO RELIANT on technology to use common sence for themselfs , and it's no ones fault but your own if you do get scammed .
I get misdialed numbers here everyday coz the house phone number is 1 digit different from the local high school and parents are SO clever they can't read and dial a number nowadays , then there's the scammers and they get exactly the same " start message" as everyone else gets .
Don't take much to use common sence .
Some peole may think " it's rude" but i don't care , when they identify themselfs it's quite easy to change the tone of my voice and if you're a scammer your about to learn a few " choice phrases " :-)

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These systems have no "knowledge" of do-not-call lists

They do, that is the source of the numbers they call!

There are "list dialers" which do run off a list of numbers and "range dialers" which just work through a whole range of numbers with no supporting list. The latter rarely have a no-call list so can call all sorts of unlisted, unpublished numbers, but may be seeded from a "real" number.

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TimeLord when you DO get a SCAM call please post a note to https://800notes.com/ using the number they call from. That way OTHERS can benefit from knowing what the scammers, phishers and crooks are up to.

Like others have said DO NOT ANSWER calls from numbers you DO NOT KNOW! Let the answering machine / voice mail deal with them FIRST.

A ROBO-DIALER / TELE-SCAMMER 99.99% of the time will not leave a message and if it's an important call from a legitimate source you conduct business with, they will ALWAYS leave a message with a LEGITIMATE phone number to call back.

NomoRobo uses the 800 Notes complaint list, reports from subscribers/users and many other undisclosed methods to learn about numbers to block. Nothing is 100% fool proof.

Just reported the offending number to the Link you've provided. I provided the same information I gave to Danville PD. Unfortunately, due to Caller ID Spoofing, I don't think they will be caught any time soon.


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There are two sorts of lists, and I'm sure both circulate 'over here' in the UK.

There's the official, reputable, list that's compiled by the Telephone Preference Service. This is a list of numbers you are supposed not to call. Reputable marketing companies are expected to buy this list, keep it up to date, and screen their intended marketing campaign list, deleting any numbers that are found on the TPS list. It works - I don't get any spam calls from reputable companies any more.

Which leaves the disreputable list... the one which passes untraceably from hand to hand in whatever the electronic equivalent of the smoky back room of a seedy pub is. That's the list you don't want to be on.

And, as Gary implies, I'm sure the 'good' list is sometimes ripped off by a grumpy employee, and passed round the pub as if it was the 'bad' list. But since the owners of every number on that list have found out where and how to register for 'no calls', I'm sure they'll be even less fruitful for the racketeers than random numbers.

Which leaves the disreputable list... the one which passes untraceably from hand to hand in whatever the electronic equivalent of the smoky back room of a seedy pub is. That's the list you don't want to be on.

Problem is if you're geting scam calls you're on that list and F / A you can do about it !!

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It is standard procedure for genuine companies to have a standard message to say along the lines of "This call may be recorded for training purposes etc". That covers them in case an employee is accused of misleading a customer. If people are so concerned about unwanted calls then unplug the phone and sling it in the bin. While you are at it cancel all your cards, take the money out of the bank and put it under your mattress.

Yes. But most genuine companies outsource there telephone sales to other companies.
And there start the problem.
They want quick answers to many questions that you afterward realize that you should have thought about it for some time before answering.
Then manipulation of the recording is very easy to do if the "customer" is complaining about the deal.

Unwanted calls from companies.
I use a service called NIX here and it works just fine.
Only nongenuin companies come through:)

And, as Gary implies, I'm sure the 'good' list is sometimes ripped off by a grumpy employee, and passed round the pub as if it was the 'bad' list. But since the owners of every number on that list have found out where and how to register for 'no calls', I'm sure they'll be even less fruitful for the racketeers than random numbers.

1) Here in the USA the Federal Government maintains a do not call list, telemarketers are required to purchase it an remove those numbers from their spam list. Obviously criminals ignore laws.

2) I remember a door to door man saying if a house had a "no solicitors" sign it was the best place to call on. He went on the say that the occupants were much more likely to purchase than the average house.

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1) Here in the USA the Federal Government maintains a do not call list, telemarketers are required to purchase it an remove those numbers from their spam list. Obviously criminals ignore laws.

We are on the Do Not Call List, and you're right. Criminals will be criminals.

2) I remember a door to door man saying if a house had a "no solicitors" sign it was the best place to call on. He went on the say that the occupants were much more likely to purchase than the average house.

I wonder why? We have one of those signs, and of course it gets ignored, but we don't buy from door to door unless it's the Girl Scouts selling cookies!

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-fraud-usa-arrests-idUSKBN17A05V

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I got the Emily/headset/resort call today. She said her name was Emily, something about adjusting her headset, I'd stayed at a resort... Eventually she started to cut out like her headset was bad. Finally, she asked me something and I said nope. She asked if she could ask me a few questions before she transferred me to someone else and I said no. She repeated the question exactly and I asked if she was a real person. She hung up. The number was my area code and prefix.

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I got the Emily/headset/resort call today. She said her name was Emily, something about adjusting her headset, I'd stayed at a resort... Eventually she started to cut out like her headset was bad. Finally, she asked me something and I said nope. She asked if she could ask me a few questions before she transferred me to someone else and I said no. She repeated the question exactly and I asked if she was a real person. She hung up. The number was my area code and prefix.

Yes and she will call from a different number time a time again.

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Been monitoring my credit cards... No fraudulent charges, yet... Of all my cards, ONLY Citi-card allows me to "Lock" or "Unlock" my card at will. It's been locked since I opened this thread; and just today, I unlocked it. I will continue monitoring for a few more days.

No repeat calls from "Emily", yet. No other scammers nor telemarketers calling in, either. (No one ring calls from Nomorobo blocked calls...) Nomorobo is working as it should. :-)


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Just got a scam email. I have a rather archaic and elderly web site, davidstreeter.net, with a few associated email addresses. I sell absolutely nothing on it.

This email was from a guy claiming he found a fraudulent charge on his credit card from my site and wanting to know how to get it reversed. There was a link so I could see the charge. Running my mouse over the link, the url is in the .ru domain. Russia. After the slash, the gobbledygook included .php. I'm thinking this was ransomware.

I can see a lot of people clicking the link to see what the alleged charge was so they can argue against it.

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rather archaic and elderly web site, davidstreeter.net

Then was it sensible to advertise that URL to the whole world?

There's no particular reason for anyone not to look at it. But there's no good reason why they should either, which is why I didn't bother to make it a link.

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