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Message 1835314 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 1:10:02 UTC - in response to Message 1835308.  
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Putin said the American people prevented WWIII by voting for Trump. (Implying if that felon had won the election...)


Implying Putin would've attacked?

Reasonable inference.
<ed>Maybe that's why Trump doesn't want the hacking investigation?
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Message 1835318 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 1:24:37 UTC - in response to Message 1835308.  

Putin said the American people prevented WWIII by voting for Trump. (Implying if that felon had won the election...)


Implying Putin would've attacked?


Remember Hillary's infamous big red 'reset button'?? There wasn't much goodwill between Putin and H. Clinton after the 'button', followed by the leaked email from HRC during her tenure as SecState totally dismissing Russia's concerns during the Syrian Civil War, prompting Putin to bring out Russian bombers for use in Syria, turning Syria into a proxy war between Russia and the USA.

Add to this the nuclear treaty on the disposal of plutonium that Russia recently pulled out of.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/world/europe/russia-plutonium-nuclear-treaty.html

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Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, said the administration was disappointed by the Russian decision since “both leaders in Russia and the United States have made nonproliferation a priority.”

“We’ve also been quite disappointed by a range of Russian decisions both in Syria and inside of Ukraine,” Mr. Earnest said, adding that the decision on the plutonium deal was part of a problematic pattern.

Russia will withdraw from the original pact and subsequent amendments, the decree says, meaning that the country will no longer be treaty-bound to destroy its plutonium stockpiles.

...


So... would Putin have attacked?

To summarize:
1. In proxy war with US in Syria.
2. Invasion of part of Ukraine.
3. Hates Hillary.
4. Pulls out of a nuclear weapons material treaty.


What do you think?
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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1835356 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 11:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1835351.  
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Or perhaps Why Invade When You Can Hack?
http://www.rferl.org/a/daily-vertical-sweden-invasion-hack/28165663.html

The same Russian hackers who attacked the US elections now suspected to be behind the attacks directed at the upcoming German elections.
http://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Maassen_statement_russian_cyber_dec_8_2016.pdf
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Message 1835370 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 13:54:21 UTC - in response to Message 1835367.  
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Just this question: How did Putin 'effect' our elections?
Louisiana Republican wins final unsettled U.S. Senate race
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/10/louisiana-republican-wins-final-unsettled-u-s-senate-race/?utm_term=.23f010959a48
Let's see: The Republicans now 'Control' most of our State Governorship's, State Legislative's, U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives.
How did Putin do that? Wow!!!!! He is better than I thought.

Russian bears like Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear doesn't hibernate:)

Oh. Britain are subjects as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/08/britain-faces-fundamental-threat-sovereignty-russian-meddling/
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Message 1835380 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 16:03:49 UTC - in response to Message 1835367.  
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Just this question: How did Putin 'effect' our elections?

Well if a sizeable proportion of the population doesn't use traditional news sites and relies on social media, is it surprising that what they base their opinions on might be false. And if the Russians are assisting in spreading false news?

PEW - News Use Across Social Media Platforms 2016
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Message 1835381 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 16:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 1835367.  

Or perhaps Why Invade When You Can Hack?
http://www.rferl.org/a/daily-vertical-sweden-invasion-hack/28165663.html

The same Russian hackers who attacked the US elections now suspected to be behind the attacks directed at the upcoming German elections.
http://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Maassen_statement_russian_cyber_dec_8_2016.pdf

Just this question: How did Putin 'effect' our elections?


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Message 1835386 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 17:42:07 UTC

I think the US (and Seti@home forums) needs the return of 'Ex'.

"Donald Trump’s cabinet is almost complete, and his picks so far provide a picture of domestic priorities that are a nearly 180-degree departure from President Obama. Consider: He selected a vocal critic of the Environmental Protection Agency - and climate-change skeptic - to run the EPA; a fast-food CEO, who opposes a minimum-wage hike and wants fewer workplace regulations, to run the Labor Department; an Obamacare foe to run the Health and Human Services, which administers the health care law; and a critic of public education to run the Education Department. And that’s to say nothing of the Small Business nominee who is principal donor to his foundation and a wrestling CEO. Her wrestlers are independent contractors, who are required to sign exclusive contracts that state they can’t sue for injuries or even death."

Yep. This is the direction we are gonna take to "Make America Great Again".

Good going 'Murrica!
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Message 1835399 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 18:43:36 UTC - in response to Message 1835386.  

Welcome back Ex.
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Message 1835403 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 18:52:38 UTC - in response to Message 1835386.  

It's been a long time, welcome back.
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Message 1835418 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 19:38:41 UTC - in response to Message 1835406.  

BTW: Putin did not ensure a Republican Majority in our States

You are the one advancing that strawman. No one else has claimed he even tried to. However that may be a side effect of his meddling in the presidential contest.
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Message 1835421 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 21:03:48 UTC - in response to Message 1835386.  

I think the US (and Seti@home forums) needs the return of 'Ex'.

"Donald Trump’s cabinet is almost complete, and his picks so far provide a picture of domestic priorities that are a nearly 180-degree departure from President Obama. Consider: He selected a vocal critic of the Environmental Protection Agency - and climate-change skeptic - to run the EPA; a fast-food CEO, who opposes a minimum-wage hike and wants fewer workplace regulations, to run the Labor Department; an Obamacare foe to run the Health and Human Services, which administers the health care law; and a critic of public education to run the Education Department. And that’s to say nothing of the Small Business nominee who is principal donor to his foundation and a wrestling CEO. Her wrestlers are independent contractors, who are required to sign exclusive contracts that state they can’t sue for injuries or even death."

Yep. This is the direction we are gonna take to "Make America Great Again".

Good going 'Murrica!


Well... Not that it will EVER happen, but that is exactly what is needed. Lower taxes (especially on Business), fewer regulations, etc.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1835424 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 21:17:53 UTC - in response to Message 1835421.  
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Well... Not that it will EVER happen, but that is exactly what is needed. Lower taxes (especially on Business), fewer regulations, etc.

Absolutely there should not be a regulation that prevents a business for ordering workers to remove safety guards so they can increase productivity! If a worker thinks this is bad, negotiate and apply for a different job!
<ed>Here is another unnecessary regulation that gets in the way of hiring the best labor. Get rid of the requirement that a child care facility do a criminal background check. Look at all the money that will save!
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Message 1835428 - Posted: 11 Dec 2016, 22:40:58 UTC - in response to Message 1835421.  
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Well... Not that it will EVER happen, but that is exactly what is needed. Lower taxes (especially on Business), fewer regulations, etc.


Well, for better or worse it seems that it *is* happening. You should be running around with joy.

Time will tell however if you are correct. I for one was born into the Reagan era and grew up in a post-Reagan world, and this is why I think this is *wrong* direction. Trickle down economics doesn't work in a vacuum of greed, and some method of leveling the playing field of the oligarchs is necessary.

What I fear happening here is the middle class becoming all but extinguished [which is ironic since it is the middle class that is seemingly responsible for electing Mr. Trump] while the very rich are being allowed to run around like the robber-barons that they are while scheming and sneaking their way along and undoing regulations that protect you and me and everyone we know, stealing from those who don't know any better and those who don't have any choice, and the masses being left to pick up the pieces of a country (or possibly world) that could be in shambles before this is over.

(...and none of this even focused on the obvious other agendas of this administration to go against the equality and rights that are important to so many Americans.)



I hope you are right though, and I hope this administration results in the jobs and growth it has promised, and I hope this growth affects EVERYONE and not just those at the top.


[also hello to Gary and Betreger, long time no see to you and everyone!]
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Message 1835470 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 1:21:27 UTC - in response to Message 1835428.  
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stealing from those who don't know any better

Wells Fargo? We don't need regulations or enforcement of fraud laws because they are bad for business.
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Message 1835478 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 2:32:50 UTC - in response to Message 1835473.  

What I fear happening here is the middle class becoming all but extinguished [which is ironic since it is the middle class that is seemingly responsible for electing Mr. Trump] while the very rich are being allowed to run around like the robber-barons that they are while scheming and sneaking their way along and undoing regulations that protect you and me and everyone we know, stealing from those who don't know any better and those who don't have any choice, and the masses being left to pick up the pieces of a country (or possibly world) that could be in shambles before this is over.

The Clinton's (50-100 million wealth) and the Democrat Party are also in the pocket of the Oligarchs, Robber Barons and the Global Capitalists.

Therefore... A President H. Clinton would make no real difference.

Why would anybody assume that the selection process for high office in the US isn't going to going to involve people or organisations with lots of money to try and get their views to the top of the agenda.
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Message 1835481 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 2:36:01 UTC - in response to Message 1835478.  
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Therefore... A President H. Clinton would make no real difference.

Why would anybody assume that the selection process for high office in the US isn't going to going to involve people or organisations with lots of money to try and get their views to the top of the agenda.

And with all the money that Clinton has..........she almost pulled it off.
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Message 1835482 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 2:44:34 UTC
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True that during the campaigns, Clinton outspent Trump by a huge amount AND had the bigger money backers overall.

BUT the Clinton's net worth is no where near what Trump's is, and the cabinet Mr. Trump is appointing is worth more money than any cabinet this country has ever seen as far as I know. It is this difference that I am fearful of. It is seeming the control has shifted from the rich, and to the VERY rich... (and not just control by proxy, this situation is going to be *direct* control in many cases)
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Message 1835486 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 2:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 1835482.  

True that during the campaigns, Clinton outspent Trump by a huge amount AND had the bigger money backers overall.

BUT the Clinton's net worth is no where near what Trump's is, and the cabinet Mr. Trump is appointing is worth more money than any cabinet this country has ever seen as far as I know. It is this difference that I am fearful of. It is seeming the control has shifted from the rich, and to the VERY rich... (and not just control by proxy, this situation is going to be *direct* control in many cases)

Somehow, I have more faith in the man than many seem to.
If I did not, I would not have voted for him. One of the reasons was the fact the he IS independently wealthy, and so did not have to rely on donors to his campaign to which he might later be held accountable to.
One thing is for certain. No matter what he does, there is going to be many in disagreement with him. The very fact that the vote in this country was so closely split foretells of much hand wringing, whining, and complaining about whatever path he takes. With half of the country not getting their way, he is gonna gore a lot of oxen no matter what he does or how he goes about it.
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Message 1835509 - Posted: 12 Dec 2016, 5:50:03 UTC - in response to Message 1835482.  

True that during the campaigns, Clinton outspent Trump by a huge amount AND had the bigger money backers overall.

BUT the Clinton's net worth is no where near what Trump's is, and the cabinet Mr. Trump is appointing is worth more money than any cabinet this country has ever seen as far as I know. It is this difference that I am fearful of. It is seeming the control has shifted from the rich, and to the VERY rich... (and not just control by proxy, this situation is going to be *direct* control in many cases)
I don't remember a cabinet of J.D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Vanderbilt, Astor, Henry Ford, J. P. Morgan either.

His appointments all have significant conflicts of interest. It may be a hundred years after Trump before all the court cases this will spawn will be decided. It may take that long to clear out the judicial swamp Trump creates.

Of course his multi-trillion dollar jobs bill, sounds like a warmed over FDR new deal, how liberal is that? And how much is that going to balloon the Federal Debt! Or is Norquist dead and we actually pay for it?
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